On 1/12/24 11:08, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 5:27 PM Stephen Morris
wrote:
On 30/11/24 23:27, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
[...]
The python way to isolate from the OS is to use the venv machinary.
I'm guessing from your response you are not familiar with it.
How to build rpm:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 5:27 PM Stephen Morris
wrote:
>
> On 30/11/24 23:27, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> [...]
> The python way to isolate from the OS is to use the venv machinary.
> I'm guessing from your response you are not familiar with it.
>
> How to build rpm:
>
> python setup.py bdist_rpm
On 30/11/24 23:27, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 09:33:30 +
"Barry Scott" wrote:
On 30 Nov 2024, at 09:22, Tim via users wrote:
On Sat, 2024-11-30 at 10:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
With reference to the Fedora environment, if a package is required to
be installed, wo
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:02 AM Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2024, Tim via users wrote:
>
> > Person comes along with my THIS won't do THAT. You spend some time
> > diagnosing, then downloading a few months worth of updates that they
> > never did (wh
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 09:33:30 +
"Barry Scott" wrote:
> > On 30 Nov 2024, at 09:22, Tim via users
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2024-11-30 at 10:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> >> With reference to the Fedora environment, if a package is required to
> >> be installed, would you recommend ins
> On 30 Nov 2024, at 09:22, Tim via users wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2024-11-30 at 10:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
>> With reference to the Fedora environment, if a package is required to
>> be installed, would you recommend installing the repository version
>> or download it with pip?
>
> The reco
On Sat, 2024-11-30 at 10:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> With reference to the Fedora environment, if a package is required to
> be installed, would you recommend installing the repository version
> or download it with pip?
The recommendation always was use your distro's packaging system if you
> On 30 Nov 2024, at 00:00, Stephen Morris wrote:
>
> With reference to the Fedora environment, if a package is required to be
> installed, would you recommend installing the repository version or download
> it with pip?
I usually use the package from fedora over install from PyPI.
But if a
On 29/11/24 10:50, Barry wrote:
On 28 Nov 2024, at 21:41, Stephen Morris wrote:
Just possibly off topic here, but quite some time ago I was playing around with
python and needed a package (I don't remember which one it was) that wasn't
installed, so I used pip3 to do the install and it insta
> On 28 Nov 2024, at 21:41, Stephen Morris wrote:
>
> Just possibly off topic here, but quite some time ago I was playing around
> with python and needed a package (I don't remember which one it was) that
> wasn't installed, so I used pip3 to do the install and it installed a python
> 2 vers
On 29/11/24 05:01, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 17:16:39 -0600
"Michael Hennebry" wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an via users wrote:
I am a retired Sysadmin who fully understands all th
On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 17:16:39 -0600
"Michael Hennebry" wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an via users wrote:
I am a retired Sysadmin who fully understands all the frustrations brought
about by the SW inst
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 17:16:39 -0600
"Michael Hennebry" wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an via users wrote:
> >
> >> I am a retired Sysadmin who fully understands all the frustrations brought
> >> about by the SW installation without real
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an via users wrote:
I am a retired Sysadmin who fully understands all the frustrations brought
about by the SW installation without real control. Although only for my
system, I regularly build a SW package (RPM) for SW,
On Sat, 2024-11-23 at 15:43 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> And there's no point trying to convince him to use a password manager,
> it'd be just as chaotically unorganised, and he'd lose the password for
> it... Another friend did that, hundreds of passwords lost because the
> password manager only
On Sat, 2024-11-23 at 01:39 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> Folks should be using YubiKeys or other FIDO compliant gadgets
> nowadays. They provide the following security properties:
>
>* high entropy
>* phishing resistant
>* replay resistant
>
> Each origin (domain) uses a different a
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 11:53 PM Tim via users
wrote:
>
> Tim:
> > > Don't give XYZ your Gmail password when it asks you to log-on with
> > > an email address and password. Argh.
>
> Patrick O'Callaghan:
> > Very easy to misunderstand. The site should be clear that they want
> > *their* passw
Tim:
> > Next biggest issue is logons. Which password for which service? No,
> > don't use the same one everywhere. You've suffered the consequences of
> > doing that before, why haven't you learnt? Choose something that you
> > can actually type correct, but nobody else will guess. Don't give
Tim:
> > Don't give XYZ your Gmail password when it asks you to log-on with
> > an email address and password. Argh.
Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Very easy to misunderstand. The site should be clear that they want
> *their* password, not your Gmail (or MS, or Facebook, or Apple, ...)
> password. Un
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024, Tim via users wrote:
I do understand the "don't update" mentality. More by luck than
expertise they've gotten something to work, and they don't want to risk
changing anything. But the decision gets taken away from them when
they're interacting with other things over the ne
On Fri, 2024-11-22 at 19:12 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> Don't give XYZ
> your Gmail password when it asks you to log-on with an email address
> and password. Argh.
Very easy to misunderstand. The site should be clear that they want
*their* password, not your Gmail (or MS, or Facebook, or Ap
Tim:
> > Person comes along with my THIS won't do THAT. You spend some time
> > diagnosing, then downloading a few months worth of updates that they
> > never did (which is always a slow thing, no matter how fast your
> > internet is). Reboot. More downloads... Reboot. It's often all that
> >
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024, Tim via users wrote:
Person comes along with my THIS won't do THAT. You spend some time
diagnosing, then downloading a few months worth of updates that they
never did (which is always a slow thing, no matter how fast your
internet is). Reboot. More downloads... Reboot.
On Wed, 2024-11-20 at 19:52 -0600, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> I should have been more clear:
> The several hours was a lot more than
> the several minutes he was expecting.
I get that whenever I'm fixing something for someone, even though it's
nothing like that level (reprogramming) of repair.
Per
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:48:24 -0600
"Michael Hennebry" wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an via users wrote:
I am a retired Sysadmin who fully understands all the frustrations brought
about by the SW installation without real control. Although only f
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:48:24 -0600
"Michael Hennebry" wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an via users wrote:
>
> > I am a retired Sysadmin who fully understands all the frustrations brought
> > about by the SW installation without real control. Although only for my
> > system, I regularly b
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 13:45, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3. Google
> appears to think that the best approach is something called 2to3, but I
> can't get it to work. I'm far from being a Python expert, but am at
> least using a virtual
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Bob Mar?an via users wrote:
I am a retired Sysadmin who fully understands all the frustrations brought
about by the SW installation without real control. Although only for my system,
I regularly build a SW package (RPM) for SW, which is not in distribution.
Which is actua
Andras Simon wrote:
> Le mar. 19 nov. 2024, 16:16, Todd Zullinger a écrit :
>
>> [...]
>>
>> ¹ I'm sure many people swear by pip, but I think it's barely
>> better than running `curl ... | bash` to install things,
>> which I consider to be a bad practice.
>
> I agree, but is there a better w
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:16 AM Todd Zullinger wrote:
>> ¹ I'm sure many people swear by pip, but I think it's barely
>> better than running `curl ... | bash` to install things,
>> which I consider to be a bad practice.
>
> cURL never broke a system of mine, unlike pi
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:16 AM Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
> Go Canes wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:45 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3.
> >
> > How small? It might be easy to do by-hand. I.e., if it is aborting
> > o
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> > If it's genuinely small, it might be trivial to rewrite?
>
> You can find the script at:
>
> https://github.com/zepalmer/script-vdr
>
On line 88 put "r" in front of "'\s" -> "r'\s".
That will at least get it as far as showing the he
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> You can find the script at:
>
> https://github.com/zepalmer/script-vdr
>
> It's quite old but I found it useful with X11. I'm interested in trying
> it under Wayland as a workaround for the broken session restore in
> Plasma. Hopefully
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-11-19 at 14:01 +, Will McDonald wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 14:00, Will McDonald wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 13:45, Patrick O'Callaghan
>>> wrote:
>>>
I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3.
>>>
>> By
Le mar. 19 nov. 2024, 16:16, Todd Zullinger a écrit :
> [...]
>
> ¹ I'm sure many people swear by pip, but I think it's barely
> better than running `curl ... | bash` to install things,
> which I consider to be a bad practice.
>
I agree, but is there a better way when something is not packag
On Tue, 2024-11-19 at 12:19 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > You can find the script at:
> >
> > https://github.com/zepalmer/script-vdr
> >
> > It's quite old but I found it useful with X11. I'm interested in trying
> > it under Wayland as a workaround for the broken session restore in
> > Plasma
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 12:12:46 -0500
"Todd Zullinger" wrote:
> Andras Simon wrote:
> > Le mar. 19 nov. 2024, 16:16, Todd Zullinger a écrit :
> >
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> ¹ I'm sure many people swear by pip, but I think it's barely
> >> better than running `curl ... | bash` to install things,
> >>
On Tue, 2024-11-19 at 12:50 -0500, Go Canes wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
> > You can find the script at:
> >
> > https://github.com/zepalmer/script-vdr
> >
> > It's quite old but I found it useful with X11. I'm interested in trying
> > it under Wayland a
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:43 PM Go Canes wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 11:57 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
> > > If it's genuinely small, it might be trivial to rewrite?
> >
> > You can find the script at:
> >
> > https://github.com/zepalmer/script-vdr
> >
>
*** vdr.og 2024-11-19 12
On Tue, 2024-11-19 at 14:01 +, Will McDonald wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 14:00, Will McDonald wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 13:45, Patrick O'Callaghan
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3.
> > >
> >
> By the way, is this script somet
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 14:00, Will McDonald wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 13:45, Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
>
>> I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3.
>>
>
By the way, is this script something you can stick in a pastebin/gist or
similar and share?
If it's genuinely
Go Canes wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:45 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3.
>
> How small? It might be easy to do by-hand. I.e., if it is aborting
> on things like "print 'something'", that just needs to be changed to
> "pr
Le mar. 19 nov. 2024, 14:45, Patrick O'Callaghan a
écrit :
> I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3.
If you recognize the good conversion (for example by reading or testing
it), then ChatGPT and its ilk can do the job for you.
--
_
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:45 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
>
> I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3.
How small? It might be easy to do by-hand. I.e., if it is aborting
on things like "print 'something'", that just needs to be changed to
"print('something')"
--
I'm attempting to convert a small Python-2 script to Python-3. Google
appears to think that the best approach is something called 2to3, but I
can't get it to work. I'm far from being a Python expert, but am at
least using a virtual environment:
poc@Bree:~$ cd venv
poc@Bree:~/venv$ source bin/activ
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