On 06/20/2012 10:04 AM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:
As for building my OWN desktop from source?I'm too timid
and afraid to even attempt it! Although it intrigues me, I just don't
think I have the "chops" for something so intricate and complex!
Build from source (which is very different fr
I argree with you on that, and I apologize, I didn't mean to seem like I
was insulting anyone, I just have this bad habit of voicing my thoughts
in a" very-much-like-Spock" kinda way! Hope no one's offended! As for
building my OWN desktop from source?I'm too timid and afraid to even
attempt
On 06/19/2012 10:14 PM, someone wrote:
Wow..all that "hatred"?. LoL! I'm glad I don't have the rigidity
of THIS guy! I'm assuming he either:
A. Created his own modified version of whatever desktop he finds
appealing.
B. Modified what he needed to in Gnome to get it more to his likingor
C
Wow..all that "hatred"?. LoL! I'm glad I don't have the rigidity of
THIS guy! I'm assuming he either:
A. Created his own modified version of whatever desktop he finds appealing.
B. Modified what he needed to in Gnome to get it more to his likingor
C. Just moved on to another OS with a des
On 06/16/2012 04:49 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
I have a different theory:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/gnome3-rant.html
Very amusing. I, however, have a somewhat simpler theory Many of the
Gnome devs have odd little things that they think would be neat, or
cool, and what we see is
On 06/16/2012 01:10 AM, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
Also, I've seen Ubuntu under Gnome3 - and they've managed to make a very
different environment out of it than Fedora (one that I do not like, but
perhaps you will?)
My sister uses Ubuntu, with Unity. I've used it a few times, and hated it.
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On 06/16/2012 01:10 AM, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
I'm merely suggesting you try it - it may not be as bad as it seems on
paper.
The fact that it's almost impossible to configure without taking the
time to install a bunch of extensions and that almost every single
default is exactly the oppo
> I have a different theory:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/gnome3-rant.html
I wouldn't mind if Gnome 3 was more like that, after all Unity is just a
very bad re-interpretation of Windowmaker.
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:46:46 +0100
Alan Cox wrote:
> > So, what you're saying is, Gnome 3 is being developed for people who
> > don't care what the devs do and will accept any changes they feel like
> > making?
>
> No it's being developed by a bunch of people based upon what they know,
> wha
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:25:44 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/15/2012 10:20 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Probably by arguing that 99.99% of users who don't actually care won't
> > be part of the noise. Which I think is a fair point.
>
> So, what you're saying is, Gnome 3 is being developed for people wh
On 06/15/2012 07:06 PM, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote in response to Joe
Zeff:
The fact that you still rant about it, tells me that you have probably
not given it a real chance in the first place.
I'll go farther than that: As soon as I saw what had happened, I
logged back out and tried again,Th
On 06/15/2012 07:06 PM, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
I had to install Xfce on a machine because it didn't have enough
hardware for the full version. I felt - and feel - like I'm computing
with one hand tied behind my back every time I use it...
And I find that it does exactly what I want, the wa
On 06/15/2012 09:59 PM, Daniel wrote:
In any case, I don't think that one should quit using the Gnome shell
with the hope that they will reform and then intention of returning
if-and-when they do.
I agree. I quite Gnome slightly before Gnome 3 came out and have no
interest in going back. Tha
On 06/15/2012 07:06 PM, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
The fact that you still rant about it, tells me that you have probably
not given it a real chance in the first place.
I'll go farther than that: when I "upgraded" my laptop to F16, the first
time I logged in it defaulted to Gnome instead of X
I agree! After dealing with all the "Conform Or Die" attitudes with
Windows, and all the software vendors who only catered to Windows in the
early years, I can say that Gnome is the absolute best in keeping things
fresh and easy to do, not to mention when I show it to others who are
still sucki
On 06/15/2012 11:02 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
I wonder how the Gnome devs would respond to this: "Large numbers of
our users dislike so much that they're migrating to a
different DE. At this rate, Gnome will soon be a minor niche DE in
Fedora."
They might well just walk away from development. Th
"Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I" :
The reason you're not getting any updates, is because Fedora stops
maintaining a distro when the current distro reaches N+2 - we're currently
in Fedora 17, so Fedora 15 is no longer maintained. I suggest you upgrade.
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Joe Zeff wrote:
Sooner or later, all of you who are unhappy with various parts of Gnome
3 are going to have to do one of three things
When Fedora 15 just came out, I heard thousands of complaints about Gnome
3. I'm sure a large percentage of people left Gnome altogether. However, I
for o
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:39:47AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> That however is a matter of ensuring a global disable is a feature of the
> configuration that is easy for an admin to use (easier than firewalling
> gnome.org to stop it)
I think that was planned, but I'll check as development goes on.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 06:20:10PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Probably by arguing that 99.99% of users who don't actually care won't
> be part of the noise. Which I think is a fair point.
Having a good user testing would be very much appreciated. Meaning:
something that Sun did a lot of years ago. A
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:25:44AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/15/2012 10:20 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
> >Probably by arguing that 99.99% of users who don't actually care won't
> >be part of the noise. Which I think is a fair point.
>
> So, what you're saying is, Gnome 3 is being developed for people
Thanks Aaron, but there are still "alternatives" right?I just want
to make sure I'll always have "options"!
EGO II
On 06/15/2012 11:21 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 13:57 -0400, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:
Thanks so much, but now I have yet another "stoopid" quest
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 13:57 -0400, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:
> Thanks so much, but now I have yet another "stoopid" question: How do I
> "update" my system to F17 without losing all of my files, folders,
> applications etc? I've amassed quite a bit of "fluff" using Fedora and
> I'd hate to h
On 06/15/2012 06:52 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Are we gonna go out there in a massive protest we want shutdown natively in
GNOME, we want shutdown in GNOME without alt, ..., etc? seems unlikely. Now
Mr. Obama may lock us up for disturbing the peace and detain us indefinitely
using NDAA :
Oh I KNOW.I was just telling someone that same thing. I have been a
Windows Admin for quite some years, as a matter of fat I had been using
it since Windows 3."X" and through all it's variations,
'95.'98.2K.XPVista (what a piece of junk THAT was!( and
most recently 7. I just
On 06/15/2012 10:50 AM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote:
And I hope they leave Gnome alone! This stuff ROCKS!LoL! (Can you
tell I'm still a noobie in regards to Linux in general!?) :o)
I'm very pleased to see that you're happy with the way Gnome currently
works. Clearly, you're part of their
On 06/15/2012 10:40 AM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
On 06/15/2012 01:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
I wonder how the Gnome devs would respond to this: "Large numbers of
our users dislike so much that they're migrating to a
different DE. At this rate, Gnome will soon be a minor niche DE in
Fedora."
If you h
Cool! Thanx again Jayson! I'll check out the link and let you know how
it goes!!
EGO II
On 06/15/2012 02:02 PM, Jayson Rowe wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
wrote:
Thanks so much, but now I have yet another "stoopid" question:
There is no such thing as 'stupid
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
wrote:
> Thanks so much, but now I have yet another "stoopid" question:
There is no such thing as 'stupid questions' :)
> How do I "update" my system to F17 without losing all of my files, folders,
> applications etc? I've amassed quite a b
Thanks so much, but now I have yet another "stoopid" question: How do I
"update" my system to F17 without losing all of my files, folders,
applications etc? I've amassed quite a bit of "fluff" using Fedora and
I'd hate to have to try and search them out again. Also I read somewhere
that Adobe i
I hope that NEVER happens! I'm coming from a Windows shop, and I've been
"stuck" with Microsoft's opinion of what I would like from what I
WOULDN'T like for SO long now (since Windows 3.1!!), that Fedora is a
breath of fresh air! Everything is new, different, and interesting.
Granted there are
On 06/15/2012 01:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
I wonder how the Gnome devs would respond to this: "Large numbers of
our users dislike so much that they're migrating to a
different DE. At this rate, Gnome will soon be a minor niche DE in
Fedora."
If you have any hard data about that, I'd love to see
As I see it, Fedora is head & shoulders above "Windows "X" crowd! It
might not be pretty, or as effective as something that's existed before,
but for the money (NONE!..LoL!) Fedora is AWESOME! I too had to get used
to the Gnome 3 desktop environment, but I now LOVE it! I move around in
it intu
On 06/15/2012 10:20 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
Probably by arguing that 99.99% of users who don't actually care won't
be part of the noise. Which I think is a fair point.
So, what you're saying is, Gnome 3 is being developed for people who
don't care what the devs do and will accept any changes they
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
wrote:
> I just tried the yum install, AND the link given, when I tried yu,m it said
> it couldn;t find the repository at .../fedora.gimp, and when I went to the
> link there's a banner at the top of my browser saying that I'd have to
> update
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:07:22 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/15/2012 06:21 AM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:
> > "Our users are unhappy with " would not seem to be a
> > persuasive argument to them.
>
> I wonder how the Gnome devs would respond to this: "Large numbers of our
> users dislike so m
I just tried the yum install, AND the link given, when I tried yu,m it
said it couldn;t find the repository at .../fedora.gimp, and when I went
to the link there's a banner at the top of my browser saying that I'd
have to update to the latest version of Gnome3, my question is, I'm
running Fedor
On 06/15/2012 06:21 AM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:
"Our users are unhappy with " would not seem to be a
persuasive argument to them.
I wonder how the Gnome devs would respond to this: "Large numbers of our
users dislike so much that they're migrating to a different
DE. At this rate, Gnom
--- On Fri, 6/15/12, Ian Malone wrote:
> From: Ian Malone
> Subject: Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Gnome 3 (Was: Power-off stupidity
> remains in Fedora 17)
> To: "Community support for Fedora users"
> Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:32 AM
> On 15 Jun
On 06/15/2012 05:00 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
I'm not actually entirely convinced. I do have a bugzilla account on
Gnome, I can go and email the list there. However, the model where I
decide (me and a few thousand other people) that I don't like one
particular minor feature of Gnome and should go to
On 15 June 2012 00:43, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan
wrote:
> Again, this being the Fedora userlist, it isn't the place to agitate to get
> Gnome fixed. The relevant choice for Fedora as such, concerning the user
> shell, is amongst these:
>
> * to keep Gnome shell as the default user shell;
> * to ke
> include both the advantages and disadvantages of each. If nothing else,
> they'd have to include hard disk, RAM and graphics requirements so that
> you can judge whether or not your computer has what it takes to run each
> DE properly, and what the consequences are of trying to use it when yo
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:04:15 +0200
Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 04:35:50AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> > Or are you saying that extensions.gnome.org has the ability to interface
> > with the package manager?. ;)
>
> In GNOME 3.6 the extensions will update automatically. This
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> In GNOME 3.6 the extensions will update automatically.
In 2013 I will have long hair and ponytail. Yet, I´m currently bald.
;-P
Fedora 17 comes with Gnome 3.4, no?.
So maybe it´s not a bad idea to install via Yum and get updates.
FC
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On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 04:35:50AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> Or are you saying that extensions.gnome.org has the ability to interface
> with the package manager?. ;)
In GNOME 3.6 the extensions will update automatically. This was not done
before on purpose (fear of bugs, breaking stuff, etc.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I've said it once and will probably say it again...
>
> yum install gnome-shell-extension-**alternative-status-menu
>>>
>>
> Just curious, before I try this...
>>
>
> Don't try this! :D There's no need to yum install anythin
Hey,
I've said it once and will probably say it again...
yum install gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu
Just curious, before I try this...
Don't try this! :D There's no need to yum install anything. All you need
is http://extensions.gnome.org - it does it all for you. And for
On 06/14/2012 04:43 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:
* to keep Gnome shell as an option but no longer make it the default;
Given the choice, this is the option I'd pick. Of course, if Fedora
stopped using Gnome shell as the default, we'd probably have to pick a
different one. Either that,
Again, this being the Fedora userlist, it isn't the place to agitate
to get Gnome fixed. The relevant choice for Fedora as such,
concerning the user shell, is amongst these:
* to keep Gnome shell as the default user shell;
* to keep Gnome shell as an option but no longer make it the defaul
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