Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-28 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Sat, 2021-12-25 at 03:15 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On a whim I opened up the: >Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses > in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) > and discovered that the kernel is rather old: Since this seems to have produced a modest amoun

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-28 Thread Jamie Fargen
There was an article that compared linux based DIY routers with off the shelf home routers and the numbers were pretty conclusive. A basic x86 processor from Intel or AMD is much more powerful than most of the low cost MIPs processors shipped in consumer routers. Why is something more powerful need

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-27 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2021-12-27 at 17:35 -0600, Roger Heflin wrote: > I have always ran my own router behind the ISP's firewall/modem. I > usually DMZ my personal router's ip address and then rely on the > security of my own newer router that I have full control of. > > I also forward ports to my server so t

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-27 Thread Roger Heflin
I have always ran my own router behind the ISP's firewall/modem. I usually DMZ my personal router's ip address and then rely on the security of my own newer router that I have full control of. I also forward ports to my server so that it can provide my public ip services via the router I have su

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-27 Thread George N. White III
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 at 01:06, Tim via users wrote: > On Sat, 2021-12-25 at 12:19 -0500, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > > The joy of IoT: devices that are treated as appliances: never > > get patched and are updated by being tossed and replaced with one > > with newer vulnerabilities. > > And hou

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2021-12-26 at 12:23 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Often, when the vendors do any security updates, they'll do just the > minimum needed (which does make sense, since it's also the least > likely to break devices that can be difficult or impossible to > recover from an update failure). If the

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Tim via users
On Sat, 2021-12-25 at 12:19 -0500, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > The joy of IoT: devices that are treated as appliances: never > get patched and are updated by being tossed and replaced with one > with newer vulnerabilities. And house lighting that's out of your control when the remote server co

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Slade Watkins
On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > Often, when the vendors do any security updates, they'll do just the > minimum needed (which does make sense, since it's also the least likely > to break devices that can be difficult or impossible to recover from an > update failure). If th

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Slade Watkins said: > goes without saying but… old versions of the kernel are certainly way more > prone to these attacks and 100% shouldn’t be included on hardware meant to > be connected to the internet. (let alone send that connection to other > devices and otherwise manage th

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 12/26/21 10:52, Qiyu Yan wrote: 在 2021-12-25星期六的 03:15 -0800,Jonathan Ryshpan写道: On a whim I opened up the:    Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) and discovered that the kernel is rather old:    linux kernel - Version

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 12/26/21 09:23, James Szinger wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 03:15:50 -0800 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On a whim I opened up the: Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) and discovered that the kernel is rather old: linux

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Dec 26, 2021, at 11:22, Slade Watkins wrote: > > I’m surprised they didn’t at least update the kernel included on OP’s modem > to a version that is still being maintained in the longterm…(4.4.y or later I > believe?) I am not surprised. I remember at a previous location, I had an analog T

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Slade Watkins
On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 10:52 AM Qiyu Yan wrote: > Usually, a botnet is made up of those unmaintained but still running > device. > > I happened to have read a article about a botnet build on hacked modems > in China, https://blog.netlab.360.com/pink-en/ in this case, when > devices gets hacked,

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread Qiyu Yan
在 2021-12-25星期六的 03:15 -0800,Jonathan Ryshpan写道: > On a whim I opened up the: >    Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses > in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) > and discovered that the kernel is rather old: >    linux kernel - Version 3.4.11 > There are about 163 ot

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-26 Thread James Szinger
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 03:15:50 -0800 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On a whim I opened up the: >Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses > in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) > and discovered that the kernel is rather old: >linux kernel - Version 3.4.11 > There are

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-25 Thread Slade Watkins
On 12/25/2021 6:15 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On a whim I opened up the: > *Legal DisclaimerOpen Source Licenses* > in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) and > discovered that the kernel is rather old: > *linux kernel - Version 3.4.11* > There are about 163 other o

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-25 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Sat, Dec 25, 2021 at 6:16 AM Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > On a whim I opened up the: > Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses > in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) and > discovered that the kernel is rather old: > linux kernel - Version 3.4.11 > There are about 1

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-25 Thread George N. White III
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:34, Roger Heflin wrote: > The vendor must answer that question. No one else knows what patches were > or were not applied to that system > Assume that bad actors and nation-state intelligence services know quite a bit about such systems, including admin passwords and k

Re: OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-25 Thread Roger Heflin
The vendor must answer that question. No one else knows what patches were or were not applied to that system On Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 6:16 AM Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On a whim I opened up the: > *Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses* > in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 20

OT: Linux kernel version in fiber modem

2021-12-25 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On a whim I opened up the: Legal Disclaimer Open Source Licenses in the management page for my fiber modem (ATT installed 2021/03/30) and discovered that the kernel is rather old: linux kernel - Version 3.4.11 There are about 163 other open source components, probably most of similar ages. I