Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-19 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 19 November 2012, Ed Greshko sent: > So, you've disabled the DHCP server on the AP and allow the broadcast > through to your server to service DHCP requests. I've got a LAN set up that way, too. An access point acting, more or less, like a network switch. I saw no reason t

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/18/2012 10:35 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > My server is an HP MicroServer running CentOS-6.3 . >>> My laptop is a ThinkPad T61p running Fedora-17/KDE . >>> I have shown above the entry I have in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf on the server > >> What is your AP? > My AP is a Li

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ed Greshko wrote: >>> My server is an HP MicroServer running CentOS-6.3 . >> My laptop is a ThinkPad T61p running Fedora-17/KDE . >> I have shown above the entry I have in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf on the server > What is your AP? My AP is a Linksys WRT54GL attached to the server; I have another rou

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.11.2012 11:09, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni: >It turned out that this was an unwarranted fear, the slower computer >still boots in 46 seconds this morning after modifications to >eliminate NetworkManager, while this one unmodified, comes up a >little faster. with static adres

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-18 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 18/11/12 02:19, Tim wrote: Seemingly network-related prolonged bootup times could be down to several issues. Just to mention some of them: Name resolution - something is trying to resolve a name (e.g. the machine's own hostname), but can't because name resolution isn't working, or the networ

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Tim
Bob Goodwin: > The old system-config-network was better for my purposes but > attempts to remove NM have caused extremely long "boot" times each > time I've tried that. It would increase from the present thirty > seconds or so to several minutes Seemingly network-related prolonged bootup times co

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 17/11/12 18:33, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/17/2012 03:16 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 17/11/12 17:59, Joe Zeff wrote: Network Connection Test I wasn't aware of that one. Where did you find it? I use XFCE if that matters. So do I, and as it's part of yumex, it's not

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/17/2012 03:16 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 17/11/12 17:59, Joe Zeff wrote: Network Connection Test I wasn't aware of that one. Where did you find it? I use XFCE if that matters. So do I, and as it's part of yumex, it's not relevant. In yumex go to Edit->Pr

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 17/11/12 17:59, Joe Zeff wrote: Network Connection Test I wasn't aware of that one. Where did you find it? I use XFCE if that matters. -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admi

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/17/2012 02:51 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: I find Yumex convenient at times, mainly for it's list of available app's. Yumex would not connect until I yum removed NetworkManager? I don't know what else it may have caused problems with. I have a desktop with NM

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 16/11/12 13:47, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: The old system-config-network was better for my purposes but attempts to remove NM have caused extremely long "boot" times each time I've tried that. It would increase from the present thirty seconds or so to several minutes. I

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/17/2012 08:47 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > To spell it out. > My server is an HP MicroServer running CentOS-6.3 . > My laptop is a ThinkPad T61p running Fedora-17/KDE . > I have shown above the entry I have in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf on the server . What is your AP? -- Programming today is a

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/17/2012 11:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 11/17/2012 08:47 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Ed Greshko wrote: >> Also, in my experience NM does NOT get the DNS settings from the server. I run NM on my Fedora-17/KDE laptop. Normally this works fine - it has certainly improved gr

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/17/2012 08:47 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >>> Also, in my experience NM does NOT get the DNS settings from the server. >>> >>> I run NM on my Fedora-17/KDE laptop. >>> Normally this works fine - it has certainly improved greatly over the >>> years. But if I go out of WiFi

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Timothy Murphy
Marko Vojinovic wrote: > Um, no, NM was an *upgrade* from the network service, since the latter > doesn't handle wireless interfaces in a reasonable way. I don't agree. The network service runs reasonably well with WiFi, though it is not as convenient as NM. > If anything, > the old network ser

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-17 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ed Greshko wrote: >> Also, in my experience NM does NOT get the DNS settings from the server. >> >> I run NM on my Fedora-17/KDE laptop. >> Normally this works fine - it has certainly improved greatly over the >> years. But if I go out of WiFi range then NM comments out the DNS entries >> in /etc/

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:39:42 +0100 lee wrote: > Marko Vojinovic writes: > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:45:54 +0100 lee wrote: > >> There should be a clear choice when installing --- and/or by > >> package dependencies --- so users can pick what they prefer. > > > > There should also be a default cho

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread lee
Marko Vojinovic writes: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:45:54 +0100 lee wrote: >> There should be a clear choice when installing --- and/or by package >> dependencies --- so users can pick what they prefer. > > There should also be a default choice, in case the user doesn't know > what to choose. Curre

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 16/11/12 11:52, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Ah, the options line. Might be worth filing an RFE on Bugzilla or joining the NetworkManager list and proposing adding the capability to include lines other than nameserver and search. That does seem like it would be useful. > > I find it a lot l

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 09:01 -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 15/11/12 08:39, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 21:19 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > >> On 11/14/2012 03:11 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > >>>I am open to advice ... > >> You need

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-11-16 at 11:01 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > In my view, the action of NM in over-writing /etc/resolv.conf > is completely illogical. > There is no conceivable situation in which this might help. In just about all networks that you don't personally manage, a DHCP server is used to co

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/16/2012 07:01 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Tim wrote: > >>> So, maybe NetworkManager should change the way it works? I'm not sure. >> That's also difficult to answer. For quite some time, it was clear that >> it was only aimed at the GUI users, as there was only a GUI interface >> for it. Co

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread jarmo
Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:48:58 +0100 Marko Vojinovic kirjoitti: > > A novice user would just run the default setup, with NM controlling > all interfaces, use the GUI to configure NM, and everything would > work as expected, without any confusion. An experienced user should > know what he wants to set

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:45:54 +0100 lee wrote: > There should be a clear choice when installing --- and/or by package > dependencies --- so users can pick what they prefer. There should also be a default choice, in case the user doesn't know what to choose. Currently, the default is NM. Experience

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Tim wrote: >> So, maybe NetworkManager should change the way it works? I'm not sure. > > That's also difficult to answer. For quite some time, it was clear that > it was only aimed at the GUI users, as there was only a GUI interface > for it. Command line usage came later on. It is supposedly

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-15 Thread lee
Tim writes: > On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 10:37 +0800, Zind wrote: >> I have already seen quite a lot posts about this NetworkManager issue >> on serveral mailing lists. > > I've seen it discussed, for a long time. There's a mixture of it > behaving in ways people didn't like, and people messing with

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 15/11/12 08:39, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 21:19 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: On 11/14/2012 03:11 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: I am open to advice ... You need to specify these in /etc/sysconfig-network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 (or your interface): DNS1="xx.

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-15 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 21:19 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > On 11/14/2012 03:11 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > I am open to advice ... > > You need to specify these in /etc/sysconfig-network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > (or your interface): > > DNS1="xx.xx.xx.xx" > DNS2="xx.xx.xx.xx" >

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-15 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 10:37 +0800, Zind wrote: > I have already seen quite a lot posts about this NetworkManager issue > on serveral mailing lists. I've seen it discussed, for a long time. There's a mixture of it behaving in ways people didn't like, and people messing with their system without re

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread Zind
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:20:37AM -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > >How can I tell NetworkManager not to change my /etc/resolv.conf file >or do I need to just stop using NM? These are fixed F-17/64 >computers and I use NM simply because it's there and works, however

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On 11/14/2012 03:11 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > I am open to advice ... You need to specify these in /etc/sysconfig-network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 (or your interface): DNS1="xx.xx.xx.xx" DNS2="xx.xx.xx.xx" SEARCH="yourdomain.com" Then you'll see them in /etc/resolv.conf once you

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 14/11/12 13:05, Rick Stevens wrote: It's better to disable networkmanager then. It seems to be more a tool for ever changing connections used with dhcp. In a fixed setup, you don't need it, and disabling it saves you the process constantly running. Other than that, you could change the "NM_

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread Rick Stevens
On 11/14/2012 09:44 AM, lee issued this missive: "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" writes: How can I tell NetworkManager not to change my /etc/resolv.conf file or do I need to just stop using NM? These are fixed F-17/64 computers and I use NM simply because it's there and works,

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:20:37AM -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > How can I tell NetworkManager not to change my /etc/resolv.conf file or do > I need to just stop using NM? These are fixed F-17/64 computers and I use > NM simply because it's there and works, however I want to ch

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread lee
"Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" writes: >How can I tell NetworkManager not to change my /etc/resolv.conf file >or do I need to just stop using NM? These are fixed F-17/64 >computers and I use NM simply because it's there and works, however >I want to change the dns settings an

Re: NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 14/11/12 10:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: How can I tell NetworkManager not to change my /etc/resolv.conf file or do I need to just stop using NM? These are fixed F-17/64 computers and I use NM simply because it's there and works, however I want to change the dns se

NetworkManager-resolv.conf -

2012-11-14 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
How can I tell NetworkManager not to change my /etc/resolv.conf file or do I need to just stop using NM? These are fixed F-17/64 computers and I use NM simply because it's there and works, however I want to change the dns settings and not have them over written. I don't see how it