Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/02/2013 02:31 PM, inode0 wrote: Not every bug will be fixed. If that isn't your expectation then you really should adjust your expectations. If some number of cases of what you perceive to be wasted effort outweighs those cases where bugs are fixed and millions of people benefit because of

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread inode0
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > On 2 August 2013 19:09, inode0 wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >>> On 02.08.2013, inode0 wrote: >>> Failure to have your expectations met leads to demotivation and the easiest way to fix that is to change

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 August 2013 19:09, inode0 wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> On 02.08.2013, inode0 wrote: >> >>> Failure to have your expectations met leads to demotivation and the >>> easiest way to fix that is to change your expectations. >> >> It's free software, and therefor

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread inode0
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 02.08.2013, inode0 wrote: > >> Failure to have your expectations met leads to demotivation and the >> easiest way to fix that is to change your expectations. > > It's free software, and therefore I'm not expecting that people find the > time

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 02.08.2013, inode0 wrote: > Failure to have your expectations met leads to demotivation and the > easiest way to fix that is to change your expectations. It's free software, and therefore I'm not expecting that people find the time to fix my bug. In 99% of all cases, the bug is reported elsew

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Tim
Tim: >> But it's kind of hard to believe that all the bugs a person might have >> reported can't be fixed within the same release. As the original >> responder suggested, why bother making reports... Tom Horsley: > Because sometimes they become a source of great amusement like > this one: > > ht

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 August 2013 14:55, inode0 wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> On 02.08.2013, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> >>> While one could consider not answering a bugreport to be a display of >>> bad manners >> >> It first and foremost is demotivating, which in turn results in fe

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.08.2013 22:31, schrieb Tethys: > So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 > came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once again, > several of them don't appear to have even been looked over *at all* by > the package maintainer. I wonder why I bother

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread inode0
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 02.08.2013, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > >> While one could consider not answering a bugreport to be a display of >> bad manners > > It first and foremost is demotivating, which in turn results in fewer > bug reports, which in turn results in wor

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:00:16 +0200 Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 02.08.2013, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > > While one could consider not answering a bugreport to be a display of > > bad manners > > It first and foremost is demotivating, which in turn results in fewer > bug reports, which in turn result

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 02.08.2013, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > While one could consider not answering a bugreport to be a display of > bad manners It first and foremost is demotivating, which in turn results in fewer bug reports, which in turn results in worse software.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 16:16:21 +0930 Tim wrote: > But it's kind of hard to believe that all the bugs a person might have > reported can't be fixed within the same release. As the original > responder suggested, why bother making reports... Because sometimes they become a source of great amusement

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 01 August 2013, Marko Vojinovic sent: > Speaking hypothetically (and playing the devil's advocate a bit), the > fact that the bugreports were not responded to doesn't mean that they > were not looked at or maybe reported upstream. It can happen that the > upstream devs alread

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David wrote: > Are they still active 'in' Fedora 18 or fedora 19? If yes then reenter them. Please don't create new bugs just because old ones were closed; it makes things messier. If you open a new one every time a Fedora release goes EOL it's much harder to tell

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/02/13 06:54, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/01/2013 03:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> Yep I just got 3 closures of bugs reported in F17 that were looked at >> and subsequently fixed in F18 but not back ported. I know there will be >> several other when F18 reaches EOL since the next version of

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/01/2013 04:02 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Atleast for me, I just noticed a few bug reports being closed that I had taken a look at earlier, decided that I will focus on other bugs since it was a low priority issue and the danger of introducing new problems were higher. Should I have respond

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/01/2013 03:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Yep I just got 3 closures of bugs reported in F17 that were looked >> at and subsequently fixed in F18 but not back ported. I know there will be >> several other when F18 reaches EOL since

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/01/2013 03:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Yep I just got 3 closures of bugs reported in F17 that were looked at and subsequently fixed in F18 but not back ported. I know there will be several other when F18 reaches EOL since the next version of LibreOffice fixed some and F18 will remain

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/01/2013 03:25 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: While one could consider not answering a bugreport to be a display of bad manners, David is right that you should check if the bug is resolved in the later versions of Fedora before getting angry about being ignored. Actually, I've had a few that g

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/02/13 06:25, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 14:25:30 -0700 > Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 08/01/2013 02:07 PM, David wrote: >>> On 8/1/2013 4:31 PM, Tethys wrote: So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 came out and now they're being closed as F

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 14:25:30 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/01/2013 02:07 PM, David wrote: > > On 8/1/2013 4:31 PM, Tethys wrote: > >> So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when > >> F17 came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once > >> again, several of them don

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread inode0
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tethys wrote: > So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 > came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once again, > several of them don't appear to have even been looked over *at all* by > the package maintainer. I wonder why I

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/01/2013 02:07 PM, David wrote: On 8/1/2013 4:31 PM, Tethys wrote: So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once again, several of them don't appear to have even been looked over *at all* by the package mainta

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread David
On 8/1/2013 4:31 PM, Tethys wrote: > So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 > came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once again, > several of them don't appear to have even been looked over *at all* by > the package maintainer. I wonder why I bother some

Re: It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/01/2013 01:31 PM, Tethys wrote: So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once again, several of them don't appear to have even been looked over *at all* by the package maintainer. I wonder why I bother sometim

It's that time again

2013-08-01 Thread Tethys
So here I am, sat with an inbox full of bugs that I reported when F17 came out and now they're being closed as F17 is EOL. Once again, several of them don't appear to have even been looked over *at all* by the package maintainer. I wonder why I bother sometimes... Tet -- "Java is a DSL for takin