Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-09-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 16:21:29 -0400 Robert Myers wrote: > Then they see how real nerds handle the problems and they think, > "U, maybe Windows isn't so bad, after all." I think of it as playing a complicated puzzle solving computer game :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-09-02 Thread Robert Myers
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:07 PM, stan wrote: > On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:38:01 -0400 > Tom Horsley wrote: > >> See: >> >> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/degnome.html >> >> The link in there points to: >> >> http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/sample-fvwm.tar.bz2

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-09-02 Thread stan
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:38:01 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > See: > > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/degnome.html > > The link in there points to: > > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/sample-fvwm.tar.bz2 Thank you Tom. -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-09-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 20:37:20 -0700 John Wendel wrote: > I also would like to see your custom config files. OK, my computer picked the middle of this thread to die, but I have done a brain transplant and have it back now (more or less). I've added a link in my de-gnomeing web page to a tarball wi

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-30 Thread John Wendel
On 08/30/2011 09:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:26:59 -0500 > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > >> Does a linux user really care for a Trash can? > Not me, especially not one that conforms to the insanely > cryptic freedesktop.org trash standards. > > Personally I use the simple window man

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-30 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:47:19 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:26:59 -0500 > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > > Does a linux user really care for a Trash can? > > Not me, especially not one that conforms to the insanely > cryptic freedesktop.org trash standards. > > Personally I use th

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-30 Thread stan
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:47:19 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > Personally I use the simple window manager FVWM, and I use > it with my own, built from scratch, .fvwmrc file that doesn't > get changed out from under me in every release. Would you be willing to post that configuration file? Or at least

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:26:59 -0500 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Does a linux user really care for a Trash can? Not me, especially not one that conforms to the insanely cryptic freedesktop.org trash standards. Personally I use the simple window manager FVWM, and I use it with my own, built from scratch

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-30 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:13:01 -0500 Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 20:34, Peter G. wrote: > > the most evolved being xfde and lxde. > > XFDE is a nice lightweight desktop environment. LXDE on the contrary > is user-hostile when you attempt to customize it. I've recently tried >

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-30 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:08 PM, David L. Gehrt wrote: > What this seems to imply is that in the future the mainline Linux UI will be > characterized features  imposed, and by  lack of flexibility.  This  lack of > flexibility means that users are presented with a computing environment with > fe

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
XFCE :)) sorry for the typo... On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:34, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/29/2011 10:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> XFDE is a nice lightweight desktop environment. > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fe

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 30 August 2011 06:34, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/29/2011 10:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> XFDE is a nice lightweight desktop environment. > > I'm not sure I've ever heard of it.  Are you sure you don't mean XFCE? I thought we were talking about XPDE: http://kylixapps.narod.ru/ -- Sam -- user

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/29/2011 10:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > XFDE is a nice lightweight desktop environment. I'm not sure I've ever heard of it. Are you sure you don't mean XFCE? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 20:34, Peter G. wrote: > the most evolved being xfde and lxde. XFDE is a nice lightweight desktop environment. LXDE on the contrary is user-hostile when you attempt to customize it. I've recently tried changing from XFDE to LXDE due to alleged lower memory footprint and fo

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Peter G.
Fernando Cassia wrote: > Google is the best example... they > change features, move user interface elements around without any > questions to the users, and remove features just because they can. And what is most frustrating is that there is no way to talk to them. Any effort at assistance or in

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Peter G.
David L. Gehrt wrote: > I am a long time user of... RedHat, Fedora me2 > I am of the opinion that Linux may be at or close > to a crossroad moving from a computing genre in which the users > and > developers make cooperative decisions on alternative development paths > to > one i

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 17:43, Robert Myers wrote: > There is absolutely nothing new in any of your complaints.  Hardware > and software developers have been arbitrarily imposing inexplicable > and often incomprehensible changes on users for as long as I have been > using computers, which is a ver

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 29 August 2011 21:08, David L. Gehrt wrote: > For me it is  not just that the Gnome2 environment is  being replaced with a > new version,  it is that this  new version, Gnome3,  was seemingly developed > without much consideration of how the former version, Gnome2, was being used > and then im

Re: I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread Robert Myers
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:08 PM, David L. Gehrt wrote: > These are a  few thoughts that have  been fermenting in my mind,  but I view > this  email as  only a  possible set  of discussion  topics.  Anyway, I feel > better having said this. > > I  am a  long  time  user of  UNIX/Linux  distribution

I think we need a discussion

2011-08-29 Thread David L. Gehrt
These are a few thoughts that have been fermenting in my mind, but I view this email as only a possible set of discussion topics. Anyway, I feel better having said this. I am a long time user of UNIX/Linux distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu. I am of the opi