Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-03-01 Thread Mike McCarty
Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > All of the hard drive vendors provide disk drive diagnostic tools, > that are able to access vendor-specific - and undocumented - firmware > in their drives. This diagnostic firmware is able to diagnose drive > hardware problems in a much more thorough way than th

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-24 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Kam Leo wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mike McCarty > wrote: >> Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > > [snip] > >> I downloaded said software, and burnt a CD-ROM. I ran the diagnostics >> on both discs (both are WDs, but of different sizes). The smaller >> one passed both a "quick" test,

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-24 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 21:29 -0800, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > what I use for my two disk-to-disk backup drives: I leave one > connected to eSATA and the other in a bank safe deposit box. Once a > week I swap them. The bank is quite some ways from my home, so even a > direct nuclear strike

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-23 Thread Les
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 18:35 -0800, Kam Leo wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mike McCarty > wrote: > > Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > > [snip] > > > I downloaded said software, and burnt a CD-ROM. I ran the diagnostics > > on both discs (both are WDs, but of different sizes). The smal

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-23 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Kam Leo wrote: > Failing the "quick" test and long completion times are sure signs that > the drive is in trouble. You can try reformatting the drive to see if > that improves performance (doubtful). Good luck finding a new IDE > drive. You might have to use a SATA

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-23 Thread Kam Leo
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mike McCarty wrote: > Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: [snip] > I downloaded said software, and burnt a CD-ROM. I ran the diagnostics > on both discs (both are WDs, but of different sizes). The smaller > one passed both a "quick" test, and an "extended" full surfa

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-23 Thread Dave Stevens
On Friday 19 February 2010 13:50:59 Mike McCarty wrote: > Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > > All of the hard drive vendors provide disk drive diagnostic tools, > > that are able to access vendor-specific - and undocumented - firmware > > in their drives. This diagnostic firmware is able to diagno

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-22 Thread Mike McCarty
Mike McCarty wrote: > My machine has been running slower and slower, and top seems > to indicate lots of I/O wait. I have two ATA discs on a single > cable, wired for cable select. The master is much faster than > the slave, which seems to indicate a hardware, possibly disc, > problem. So, is the

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-19 Thread Mike McCarty
Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > All of the hard drive vendors provide disk drive diagnostic tools, > that are able to access vendor-specific - and undocumented - firmware > in their drives. This diagnostic firmware is able to diagnose drive > hardware problems in a much more thorough way than th

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:59:22 -0600 Mikkel wrote: > On 02/12/2010 05:40 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > You also want to avoid two disks on one cable as the IDE interface only > > allows one of them to be active at a time so its a good way to cripple > > performance. > > > Dumb question - what happe

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Mikkel
On 02/12/2010 05:40 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > You also want to avoid two disks on one cable as the IDE interface only > allows one of them to be active at a time so its a good way to cripple > performance. > Dumb question - what happens if you have a slow interface on the CD/DVD drive? Does the dri

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Mikkel
On 02/12/2010 05:31 AM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > > A while back I downloaded all the diagnostics from all the drive > vendors, and burned a CD for each one. I also keep them around on a > filesystem where I archive all my software installers. They're good > things to have on hand. > Yo

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Alan Cox wrote: [...] > You also want to avoid two disks on one cable as the IDE interface only > allows one of them to be active at a time so its a good way to cripple > performance. My previous reply may not have been quite motivational enough. There is a physical constraint as to where the d

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Alan Cox wrote: >> /dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw) >> /dev/hdb1 on /home type ext3 (rw) >> /dev/hda3 on /boot type ext3 (rw) > > That looks like a truely ancient Fedora ? Yes. > You also want to avoid two disks on one cable as the IDE interface only > allows one of them to be active at a time so i

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Alan Cox
> /dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw) > /dev/hdb1 on /home type ext3 (rw) > /dev/hda3 on /boot type ext3 (rw) That looks like a truely ancient Fedora ? You also want to avoid two disks on one cable as the IDE interface only allows one of them to be active at a time so its a good way to cripple performa

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Roberto Ragusa wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: > >> Can anyone give me advice on how to proceed with diagnostics? > > Nothing in /var/log/messages? > > What do you get when running hdparm -t a few times? Stable numbers? Yes. I tried each disc three times, and here are the values look consistent wi

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
All of the hard drive vendors provide disk drive diagnostic tools, that are able to access vendor-specific - and undocumented - firmware in their drives. This diagnostic firmware is able to diagnose drive hardware problems in a much more thorough way than the vendor-neutral S.M.A.R.T. is able to.

Re: Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Mike McCarty wrote: > Can anyone give me advice on how to proceed with diagnostics? Nothing in /var/log/messages? What do you get when running hdparm -t a few times? Stable numbers? -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubsc

Help Diagnose Slow Disc Access

2010-02-12 Thread Mike McCarty
My machine has been running slower and slower, and top seems to indicate lots of I/O wait. I have two ATA discs on a single cable, wired for cable select. The master is much faster than the slave, which seems to indicate a hardware, possibly disc, problem. Trimmed output: $ mount /dev/hda5 on / t