Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: > On 08/31/2011 09:02 PM, Tim wrote: >> On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 12:36 -0600, Julius Smith wrote: >>> using the mouse is slow, so we need to be able to define a shortcut >>> for everything. >> And how are you going to remember them all?  Or have

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

1.9.2011 16:12, Tim kirjoitti: > I've often wondered how such languages are typed. Whether the keys > pressed to construct a character relate to drawing certain shaped lines > in certain places (a stroke here, a stroke there), some sort spelling > out the word that the character represents, Both

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

Tim: >> And how are you going to remember them all? Or have enough keys to >> give everything a unique hotkey. >> >> I can only ever remember a few from a few applications, never all of >> the functions I might want to use. Years ago, I did add hotkeys to >> run programs, and only ever ended up r

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 08:19 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 04:17:00PM -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > I don't think I've hit the "freezing-emacs bug". What triggers it? > > What's the BZ #? > > In my case it happens whenever the Emacs window is minimized and then > r

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/31/2011 09:02 PM, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 12:36 -0600, Julius Smith wrote: >> using the mouse is slow, so we need to be able to define a shortcut >> for everything. > And how are you going to remember them all? Or have enough keys to give > everything a unique hotkey. > > I can on

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 12:36 -0600, Julius Smith wrote: > using the mouse is slow, so we need to be able to define a shortcut > for everything. And how are you going to remember them all? Or have enough keys to give everything a unique hotkey. I can only ever remember a few from a few application

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

> I have FC15 on three machines with different hardware - different CPUs, > different graphics hardware. As installed, all three were kinda OK. > After recent updates all three now take about 5 seconds to change > windows. A warning box popping up is a minimum 10s activity - 5 seconds > to appear,

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 04:17:00PM -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > I don't think I've hit the "freezing-emacs bug". What triggers it? > What's the BZ #? In my case it happens whenever the Emacs window is minimized and then reopened. I have to maximize it and then select a buffer each time to get

Re: 9. Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15 (Julius Smith)

If you are referring to my general comments re. GNOME 3, then yes, that's on Fedora 15. - jos 2011/8/30 Jorge Rivera > I like to know , that its the function of the gnome with fedora 15 > > ** ** > > *Jorge J.Rivera* > > Tech Support Analyst > > T. + 52 55 21229114 > M. +52 5514526200 >

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Steve Underwood wrote: > I have FC15 on three machines with different hardware - different CPUs, > different graphics hardware. As installed, all three were kinda OK. > After recent updates all three now take about 5 seconds to change > windows. A warning box poppi

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/31/2011 02:36 AM, Julius Smith wrote: > I disliked the decision to simplify things in GNOME 3, but on the > whole I find it more productive than GNOME 2. Things got better once I have FC15 on three machines with different hardware - different CPUs, different graphics hardware. As installed,

Re: 9. Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15 (Julius Smith)

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:45:26 -0500 "Jorge Rivera" wrote: > I like to know , that its the function of the gnome with fedora 15 > Your question renders as without meaning, not clear, in English. So you probably won't get any responses. I think there is a Spanish list for Fedora. https://fedorap

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 01:33 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 08/30/2011 12:59 PM, stan wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:38:16 +0100 >> Dave Cross wrote: >> >>> Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the >>> F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 12:59 PM, stan wrote: > On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:38:16 +0100 > Dave Cross wrote: > >> Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the >> F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my F15 system? >> >> Or perhaps someone else ha

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 12:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/30/2011 12:30 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> XFCE: >> 1) Does XFCE allow creation of new panels, left/right/top(or bottom) >> with features such as hiding panels which appears only when the >> mouse is moved into the screen edges? > Yes, it

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 12:36 -0600, Julius Smith wrote: > I disliked the decision to simplify things in GNOME 3, but on the > whole I find it more productive than GNOME 2. Things got better once > I found alacarte, gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu, > etc., to recover lost functionali

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:38:16 +0100 Dave Cross wrote: > Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the > F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my F15 system? > > Or perhaps someone else has already done this work and made GNOME 2 > available for F15?

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 12:48 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > Good idea, a Gnome-2 to Gnome-3 migration tool? This might work if > done as an upgrade, but can this tool be smart enough to ask if one > wishes to "import" after a fresh install, be it a partition or virtual > space? I don't see why not. All it

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 12:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/30/2011 11:36 AM, Julius Smith wrote: >> I found alacarte, gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu, >> etc., to recover lost functionality. > Right now, I'm running XFCE 4.6 on my desktop, but I've used a > third-party repo to upgrade my lapto

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 12:30 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > XFCE: > 1) Does XFCE allow creation of new panels, left/right/top(or bottom) > with features such as hiding panels which appears only when the > mouse is moved into the screen edges? Yes, it does. From the Main Menu, go to Preference, P

9. Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15 (Julius Smith)

I like to know , that its the function of the gnome with fedora 15 Jorge J.Rivera Tech Support Analyst T. + 52 55 21229114 M. +52 5514526200 Mexico D.F., Mexico e-mail: jriv...@tpmex.com cid:image007.png@01CBEE17.5B058CE0 te

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 05:30 AM, gpe wrote: > On 08/29/2011 05:23 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >>> I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. > I still remember the times when KDE4 was born. It was terrible comparing > to 3.5. After a while it was started to evolved, it became more

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 09:23 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 29.08.2011, Dave Cross wrote: > >> I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. > Seems nobody likes it (me included). Frankly, Gnome3 is broken by design and > a f*cking piece of cr*p :-) > All the students at my college

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 11:36 AM, Julius Smith wrote: > I found alacarte, gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu, > etc., to recover lost functionality. Right now, I'm running XFCE 4.6 on my desktop, but I've used a third-party repo to upgrade my laptop to 4.8. (I'm always a tad more careful with

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

I disliked the decision to simplify things in GNOME 3, but on the whole I find it more productive than GNOME 2. Things got better once I found alacarte, gnome-shell-extensions-alternative-status-menu, etc., to recover lost functionality. In my opinion, Fedora should be aimed at "power users" not

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

> forced to use gestures whether I wanted to or not was enough to make me > jump ship. (Among other things, I always hated the way moving the mouse > to the top right corner would show the desktop, and I disabled that > obnoxious mis-feature as fast as I could. Whoever thought that > everybod

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 06:05 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: > You could certainly interpret the look as being inspired by a tablet, > but the total inability to use it without a very steady hand makes > totally unsuitable for portable devices. Its clearly inspired by the > Marquis de Sade. Not having actually

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 06:05 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: > On 08/30/2011 08:24 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 08/29/2011 05:08 PM, Steve Underwood wrote: >>> What makes you say its designed for tablets? Its design seems far less >>> suitable for a tablet than a desktop. >> The basic layout, the loss of the second

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 08:24 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/29/2011 05:08 PM, Steve Underwood wrote: >> What makes you say its designed for tablets? Its design seems far less >> suitable for a tablet than a desktop. > The basic layout, the loss of the second panel and the dependence on > gestures all sounds li

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 05:23 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. I still remember the times when KDE4 was born. It was terrible comparing to 3.5. After a while it was started to evolved, it became more stable and more user friendly. > > See

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

on't like it[1]. >>>> >>>> Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the >>>> F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my F15 system? >>>> >>>> Or perhaps someone else has already done this work and made GNOME

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 05:08 PM, Steve Underwood wrote: > What makes you say its designed for tablets? Its design seems far less > suitable for a tablet than a desktop. The basic layout, the loss of the second panel and the dependence on gestures all sounds like something designed for a tablet, or at leas

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/30/2011 12:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/29/2011 03:36 AM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: >> Personally I'm now using XFCE. > As am I. I wonder how many people are walking away from Gnome because > they don't want to use a UI designed for a tablet on their desktop or > laptop? What makes you say

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 16:50:01 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > A Fork Of GNOME 2: The Mate Desktop I usually read Phoronix, but I missed that article. That provides an opportunity for someone to package it for Fedora. There still could be issues with doing so, but at least there is an ups

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 12:58 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Power and memory requirements of KDE, Gnome, XFCE and LXDE compared > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1 This is with Gnome 2.29.1 and XFCE 4.6. I'd like to see Gnome 3 and XFCE 4.8 compared this way. --

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 16:12, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Perhaps XFCE? > > I use LXDE, but I don't know if it could be considered to have > functionality. I've pulled my hair trying to tweak LXDE. I've found XFCE is much better, with similiar low memory requirements but without the annoyance. Power

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > In the short run you can use fallback mode, which has a very similar feel > to gnome 2. In the long run, no one has started a gnome 2 fork Oh really? ;-) A Fork Of GNOME 2: The Mate Desktop Posted by Michael Larabel on August 17, 2011 A l

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:28:25 -0500 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 29.08.2011 20:23, schrieb Chris Kloiber: > > On 08/29/2011 12:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> On 08/29/2011 09:32 PM, Tim wrote: > >>> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Note that GNOME 2.x won't get

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

Am 29.08.2011 20:23, schrieb Chris Kloiber: > On 08/29/2011 12:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 08/29/2011 09:32 PM, Tim wrote: >>> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Note that GNOME 2.x won't get any security updates which might be something you need to keep in

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 11:53 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote: > There is nothing to backport, as those changes are taken from upstream, > which no longer exists. That depends. Nautilus exists. Metacity bug fixes probably are common to Mutter and sometimes patches will have to be written from scratch as well Ra

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 12:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/29/2011 09:32 PM, Tim wrote: >> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Note that GNOME 2.x won't get any security updates which might be >>> something you need to keep in mind. This is part of the reason that >>> Fedora a

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:02:14 -0500 Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Note that GNOME 2.x won't get any security updates which might be > > something you need to keep in mind. This is part of the reason that > > Fedora along with other distros will have to

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 10:29 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > It's opensource - Everybody has the liberty to take these $$$-OSes > source packages and to adopt them for ones needs, rsp. to submit these > packages back into Fedora. In theory, yes. In practise, not many people are typically interested in do

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 06:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/29/2011 09:32 PM, Tim wrote: >> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Note that GNOME 2.x won't get any security updates which might be >>> something you need to keep in mind. This is part of the reason that >>> Fedora a

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:46:46 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/29/2011 03:36 AM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > > Personally I'm now using XFCE. > > As am I. I wonder how many people are walking away from Gnome because > they don't want to use a UI designed for a tablet on their desktop or > laptop?

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 03:36 AM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > Personally I'm now using XFCE. As am I. I wonder how many people are walking away from Gnome because they don't want to use a UI designed for a tablet on their desktop or laptop? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscr

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 09:32 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Note that GNOME 2.x won't get any security updates which might be >> something you need to keep in mind. This is part of the reason that >> Fedora along with other distros will have to move to follow

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 29.08.2011, Dave Cross wrote: > I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. Seems nobody likes it (me included). Frankly, Gnome3 is broken by design and a f*cking piece of cr*p :-) All the students at my college who use(d) Linux/Gnome2 before have switched, and gu

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Note that GNOME 2.x won't get any security updates which might be > something you need to keep in mind. This is part of the reason that > Fedora along with other distros will have to move to follow GNOME 3.x > releases. One wonders how t

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 09:36 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:46:35AM +0200, Erik P. Olsen wrote: >> On 29/08/11 11:38, Dave Cross wrote: >>> I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. >>> >>> Is there any

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:46:35AM +0200, Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 29/08/11 11:38, Dave Cross wrote: > > I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. > > > > Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the > &g

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:38:16 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. > > Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the > F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my F15 system? &

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 29/08/11 11:38, Dave Cross wrote: >> I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. >> >> Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the >> F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 29/08/11 11:38, Dave Cross wrote: > I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. > > Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the > F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my F15 system? > > Or perhaps someon

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

On 08/29/2011 03:08 PM, Dave Cross wrote: > I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. > > Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the > F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my F15 system? > > Or perhaps s

GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

I've tried GNOME 3 for a couple of months and I really don't like it[1]. Is there any way to go back to GNOME 2 on Fedora 15? Can I reuse the F14 rpms? Or can I rebuild the F14 srpms on my F15 system? Or perhaps someone else has already done this work and made GNOME 2 available for F1