Re: setting up my 2T hard drive (WAS Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.)

2013-11-20 Thread Robin Laing
On 2013-11-15 13:53, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 11/15/2013 03:37 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote: linux guy, My name is Darlene Wallach. I purchased a 2T Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Desk disk from Costco a few years ago. I finally set it up and found your very immensely helpful directions! Thank y

Re: setting up my 2T hard drive (WAS Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.)

2013-11-15 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 11/15/2013 03:37 PM, Darlene Wallach wrote: linux guy, My name is Darlene Wallach. I purchased a 2T Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Desk disk from Costco a few years ago. I finally set it up and found your very immensely helpful directions! Thank you very much!!! Darlene Wallach On Thu, Sep 29,

setting up my 2T hard drive (WAS Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.)

2013-11-15 Thread Darlene Wallach
linux guy, My name is Darlene Wallach. I purchased a 2T Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Desk disk from Costco a few years ago. I finally set it up and found your very immensely helpful directions! Thank you very much!!! Darlene Wallach On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:33 PM, linux guy wrote: > Today I boug

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:38:13 -0700, JZ (Joe) wrote: > On 10/01/2011 06:28 PM, David wrote: > > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; > > rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 Fedora/2.0.0.23-1.fc10 > > Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666" > > > > Which looks like FC 10 and TBird 2.0.

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives

2011-10-06 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 10/02/2011 08:40 AM, Newbury wrote: > To Daniel Thurman > > Why fight with physical hardware limitations? > > Install Virtualbox (it's free) and create as many bootable virtuals as you > want, each reachable without a physical hard-on-the-hardware re-boot. And > from my experience the actual b

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives

2011-10-02 Thread Newbury
To Daniel Thurman Why fight with physical hardware limitations? Install Virtualbox (it's free) and create as many bootable virtuals as you want, each reachable without a physical hard-on-the-hardware re-boot. And from my experience the actual boot times of the virtuals are only about 50% of ph

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread John Aldrich
On Sat October 1 2011, David wrote: > > The company that I work for has it's own server and the software that I > use every day, provided by them, runs on Windows. None of it has a Linux > clone and I seriously doubt that any of it ever will. And none of it > will run on WINE (why would anyone act

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 21:21 -0400, David wrote: > But I live in the real world. More people use Mac computers and software > than use Linux and I only actually know one person that uses a Mac. And > it is a new one and he runs Windows on it. And, unfortunately perhaps, > Linux is still not real

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/01/2011 06:28 PM, David wrote: > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; > rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 Fedora/2.0.0.23-1.fc10 > Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666" > > Which looks like FC 10 and TBird 2.0.0.23 to me. [joe@khorlia Desktop]$ uname -r 2.6.35.14-96.fc1

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread David
On 10/1/2011 8:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/01/2011 04:26 PM, David wrote: >> But I would hope that you keep her Ubuntu more up-to-date than you do >> your Fedora. The Fedora, F-10, that you are using and the TBird that you >> are using, 2.0.0.24, were both EOL years ago. > > What are you talking

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread David
On 10/1/2011 7:55 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 19:32 -0400, David wrote: > >> Fedora 'out of the box' works for me too. But then I don't use laptops >> and they seem to be a major source of problem(s). > > laptops often have short run, proprietary hardware that if no one > pr

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 16:32 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > Searching google, here is what Dell has to say: > http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/3TB+drives%3A+OS+Behavior+Matrix > > I need a drive that I can partition at least to > 15 partitions as I use many different OSes > (windows, mac, linu

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 19:32 -0400, David wrote: > Fedora 'out of the box' works for me too. But then I don't use laptops > and they seem to be a major source of problem(s). laptops often have short run, proprietary hardware that if no one provides ample feedback to developers, may very well

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/01/2011 04:26 PM, David wrote: > But I would hope that you keep her Ubuntu more up-to-date than you do > your Fedora. The Fedora, F-10, that you are using and the TBird that you > are using, 2.0.0.24, were both EOL years ago. What are you talking about? I skipped F 10, going from F 9 to F 1

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 10/01/2011 04:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 20:32, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> So, It looks to me, I will have to return the 3GB >> drive back to the store and get a 2GB drive so >> that I can have 15 partitions, of mixed OS for >> multiboot operations. > Surely you mea

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 20:32, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > So, It looks to me, I will have to return the 3GB > drive back to the store and get a 2GB drive so > that I can have 15 partitions, of mixed OS for > multiboot operations. Surely you meant 2TB. :) FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedo

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
Searching google, here is what Dell has to say: http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/3TB+drives%3A+OS+Behavior+Matrix I need a drive that I can partition at least to 15 partitions as I use many different OSes (windows, mac, linux) and it appears to me that I cannot use the MSDOS partition tables fo

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread David
On 10/1/2011 7:07 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 17:58 -0400, David wrote: >> On 10/1/2011 5:39 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 06:12, Marko Vojinovic wrote: As a natural consequence, Linux is a priori not designed for noobs and newbies who do not w

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread David
On 10/1/2011 7:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/01/2011 03:53 PM, David wrote: >> Curious. Is/was her Windows a recent purchase on a recent computer? And >> what 'did not work'. > > She'd been running Win2K on that box for several years. It required the > same almost constant maintenance (Scandisk,

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 17:58 -0400, David wrote: > On 10/1/2011 5:39 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 06:12, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > >> As a natural consequence, Linux is a priori not designed for > >> noobs and newbies who do not want to learn. > > > > I think this is a probl

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/01/2011 03:53 PM, David wrote: > Curious. Is/was her Windows a recent purchase on a recent computer? And > what 'did not work'. She'd been running Win2K on that box for several years. It required the same almost constant maintenance (Scandisk, defrag, anti-virus and so on) that all Window

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 October 2011 23:28, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/01/2011 02:58 PM, David wrote: >> As much as*I*  like Linux it will never become a common desktop until >> that happens. Until it*just works*. IMO of course. > > My older sister runs Ubuntu on her desktop.  At least 95% of the time It > Just Works,

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread David
On 10/1/2011 6:28 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/01/2011 02:58 PM, David wrote: >> As much as*I* like Linux it will never become a common desktop until >> that happens. Until it*just works*. IMO of course. > > My older sister runs Ubuntu on her desktop. At least 95% of the time It > Just Works, whic

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/01/2011 02:58 PM, David wrote: > As much as*I* like Linux it will never become a common desktop until > that happens. Until it*just works*. IMO of course. My older sister runs Ubuntu on her desktop. At least 95% of the time It Just Works, which is more than you can say for Windows. The o

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread David
On 10/1/2011 5:39 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 06:12, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> As a natural consequence, Linux is a priori not designed for >> noobs and newbies who do not want to learn. > > I think this is a problem. > > When I started using Linux back in 1999 (Caldera Ope

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Jitesh Shah
..snip.. > PS: Just including aliases for common Windows commands the users are > expected to find would have helped a lot of newcomers, but actually > the general concensus seems to be "this is Linux, it's not designed to > please Windows users, windows users should learn Linux and how it > works

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 06:12, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > As a natural consequence, Linux is a priori not designed for > noobs and newbies who do not want to learn. I think this is a problem. When I started using Linux back in 1999 (Caldera OpenLinux before the SCO fiasco, fwiw(, I expected the use

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread linux guy
With further use I've found that the hot swap hard drives show up in Dolphin just fine, even if they aren't mounted manual. It must have been just the first time after formatting that they don't appear, whereas with fdisk, they do. For those that aren't aware a hot swap capable motherboard (and B

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-10-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Saturday 01 October 2011 03:31:53 Fernando Cassia wrote: > So I eventually realized it´s not really the end-user´s job to know > about the cylinder limits of DOS-style partition tables beforehand. > And that if they fire fdisk on a bigger than 2TB hard drive, a warning > message "hey, look, thi

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 23:31 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:57, Craig White wrote: > > I don't think this exemplifies the problem with FOSS software except for > > maybe indicating that sometimes the information is there for all to see > > but some people don't actually

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:57, Craig White wrote: > I don't think this exemplifies the problem with FOSS software except for > maybe indicating that sometimes the information is there for all to see > but some people don't actually look and rely upon misinformed web pages, > people, etc. I used t

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 15:12 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 14:54, linux guy wrote: > > Lets be clear here. There isn't really a bug in fdisk. > > If it doesn't want the user about this, I consider it a bug. lack of > documentation and human-readable feedback is a bug. :

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread linux guy
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:56 PM, linux guy wrote: > > Great tip ! Thanks for sharing that. > > I forgot to say, FOSS ROCKS ! It ain't perfect, but its very, very good and for the most part it gets better with every release. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread linux guy
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2011, at 2:00 PM, linux guy wrote: > > As for the automount gpt issue, as far as I can tell, kernel support for >> gpt is fairly new. I'm sure this issue will be address shortly, if it >> hasn't been already. >> > > I've been us

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Sep 30, 2011, at 2:00 PM, linux guy wrote: As for the automount gpt issue, as far as I can tell, kernel support for gpt is fairly new. I'm sure this issue will be address shortly, if it hasn't been already. I've been using a GPT disk in my laptop for quite a while, F12 at least, dual

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 14:54, linux guy wrote: > Lets be clear here.   There isn't really a bug in fdisk. If it doesn't want the user about this, I consider it a bug. lack of documentation and human-readable feedback is a bug. :) Like you say, firing fdisk on a >2TB disk should give users SOME

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/30/2011 10:57 AM, linux guy wrote: > I file my fair share of bugs. Generally I like to post issues to > discussion groups (mailing lists) to be sure there is indeed an issue > and that I am not overlooking something. > > Lets see where this discussion goes and then I/we can determine if it >

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/30/2011 10:54 AM, linux guy wrote: > Now... could fdisk (and gparted) be improved ? Absolutely.Here is how: As we're discussing in a different thread, if you want this done, file a feature request in Bugzilla. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or chang

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread linux guy
As for the automount gpt issue, as far as I can tell, kernel support for gpt is fairly new. I'm sure this issue will be address shortly, if it hasn't been already. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ma

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread linux guy
I file my fair share of bugs. Generally I like to post issues to discussion groups (mailing lists) to be sure there is indeed an issue and that I am not overlooking something. Lets see where this discussion goes and then I/we can determine if it warrants a bugzilla entry. When I was working on t

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread linux guy
Lets be clear here. There isn't really a bug in fdisk. It just doesn't handle any partition table types other than MSDOS. And MSDOS type partition tables have the 2 TB limitation, not fdisk. I don't blame developers for not updating fdisk. I think its an inferior tool to parted (and gparted).

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 14:25, Joe Zeff wrote: > > And, there'd be more progress if people filed bug reports instead of > just ranting that somebody else shou I was just making an observation, trying to influence people who DO experience problems to actually FILE BUGS rather than just coming up w

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/30/2011 08:32 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > a. A BUG REPORT ON FDISK is entered, so that: > * It works correctly on drives bigger than 2TB, or > * (interim solution) it displays a user-friendly message telling the user > that for big drives as (the current drive size) gparted is

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 September 2011 16:32, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 19:33, linux guy wrote: >> It turns out that the whole process can be done from within gparted, if you >> know what you are doing. > > This exemplifies the problem with FOSS software and the "here's the > recipe on how t

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:18 AM, linux guy wrote: > Speaking of which, what is a good way to compare the files in two > directories (recursively, of course) to ensure that they are exactly the > same ? > > Something like diff for files ? As opposed to diff for non files? :) I think you mean non

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 19:33, linux guy wrote: > It turns out that the whole process can be done from within gparted, if you > know what you are doing. This exemplifies the problem with FOSS software and the "here's the recipe on how to fix it" culture, . Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing bla

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 09:18:12 -0600, linux guy wrote: > Speaking of which, what is a good way to compare the files in two > directories (recursively, of course) to ensure that they are exactly the > same ? > > Something like diff for files ? diff -rq -- users mailing list users@lists.fedor

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-30 Thread linux guy
Speaking of which, what is a good way to compare the files in two directories (recursively, of course) to ensure that they are exactly the same ? Something like diff for files ? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admi

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-29 Thread linux guy
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:33:27 -0600 > linux guy wrote: > > > Today I bought 2 3 TB hard drives to use in my new server. > > Did you actually get 2 that both worked? I was looking at > the reviews for 3TB drives on newegg recently and they > mak

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-29 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:33:27 -0600 linux guy wrote: > Today I bought 2 3 TB hard drives to use in my new server. Did you actually get 2 that both worked? I was looking at the reviews for 3TB drives on newegg recently and they make it sound very risky to try 3TB drives (or even 2TB drives). -- us

Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.

2011-09-29 Thread linux guy
Today I bought 2 3 TB hard drives to use in my new server. I'm writing this in case other people aren't aware that some of the traditional hard drive management methods don't work for drives larger than 2 TB. Specifically, fdisk and MSDOS type partition tables. Here is how I created a single par