Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/23/14 01:41, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > If I go back far enough with my linux testing, I remember zeroconf working. > Or at least I think so; am going back quite a while. Probably before adding > avahi. Now that you mention it, you are most probably right. I recall there always being a

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 01:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 23:32, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 10:55 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 22:52, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I don't want a permanent change. If no DHCP, I want zeroconf. If DHCP use it. This option does not seem to be available

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 23:32, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On 07/22/2014 10:55 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/22/14 22:52, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> I don't want a permanent change. If no DHCP, I want zeroconf. If DHCP use >>> it. This option does not seem to be available. >> Oh, I've never seen a case w

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread poma
On 22.07.2014 17:27, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 10:54 AM, poma wrote: On 22.07.2014 16:43, poma wrote: On 22.07.2014 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 10:55 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 22:52, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I don't want a permanent change. If no DHCP, I want zeroconf. If DHCP use it. This option does not seem to be available. Oh, I've never seen a case where you could have a "fall back" position. This is wha

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 10:54 AM, poma wrote: On 22.07.2014 16:43, poma wrote: On 22.07.2014 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But wh

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 10:49 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 22:43, poma wrote: file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf: symbolic link to `/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/keyfile-plugin.conf' # cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/keyfile-plugin.conf [main] plugins=

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread poma
On 22.07.2014 16:57, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 10:43 AM, poma wrote: On 22.07.2014 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz w

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread poma
On 22.07.2014 16:43, poma wrote: On 22.07.2014 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But what file is this in now? /etc/sysconf

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 22:52, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I don't want a permanent change. If no DHCP, I want zeroconf. If DHCP use > it. This option does not seem to be available. Oh, I've never seen a case where you could have a "fall back" position. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladl

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 10:43 AM, poma wrote: On 22.07.2014 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But what file is this in now? /etc/sysco

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 10:40 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 22:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Do you have access to the system to use the GUI tools of network manager? (I'm assuming you are using nm). I cannot see anyplace to specify use zeroconf if no dhcp. This is gnome3 on F20... I don't

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread poma
On 22.07.2014 16:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But what file is this in now? /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is a mess now

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 10:27 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Jul 22 22:19, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 00:34, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Crossover cable. Is that enough of a 'same network'? FWIW, I've not seen the need to use crossover cables in years. Even when connected peer-to-peer the HW is now ca

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 22:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > >> Do you have access to the system to use the GUI tools of network manager? >> (I'm assuming you are using nm). >> >> > I cannot see anyplace to specify use zeroconf if no dhcp. > > This is gnome3 on F20... > > > I don't regularly use gnome. KDE

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 22:43, poma wrote: > file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf > /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf: symbolic link to > `/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/keyfile-plugin.conf' > > # cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/keyfile-plugin.conf > [main] > plugins=keyfile [egreshko@meimei ~]$ fi

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 10:19 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 00:34, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Crossover cable. Is that enough of a 'same network'? FWIW, I've not seen the need to use crossover cables in years. Even when connected peer-to-peer the HW is now capable to detect this situation and auto

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 22:27, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Jul 22 22:19, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/22/14 00:34, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> Crossover cable. Is that enough of a 'same network'? >> FWIW, I've not seen the need to use crossover cables in years. Even >> when connected peer-to-peer the HW is n

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jul 22 22:19, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/22/14 00:34, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > Crossover cable. Is that enough of a 'same network'? > > FWIW, I've not seen the need to use crossover cables in years. Even > when connected peer-to-peer the HW is now capable to detect this > situation and aut

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 09:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But what file is this in now? /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is a mess now with scripts for each wifi connection and I ca

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 00:34, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Crossover cable. Is that enough of a 'same network'? FWIW, I've not seen the need to use crossover cables in years. Even when connected peer-to-peer the HW is now capable to detect this situation and auto configure itself using standard cables. --

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 21:49, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> But what file is this in now? /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is a mess now >>> with scripts for each wifi connection and I can't find any for my ethernet >>>

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 09:33 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: But what file is this in now? /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is a mess now with scripts for each wifi connection and I can't find any for my ethernet adapter. Well, "ip link" will/should give a list of link

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 21:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > But what file is this in now? /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts is a mess now > with scripts for each wifi connection and I can't find any for my ethernet > adapter. Well, "ip link" will/should give a list of links. I use network-manager, as I have no

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 12:35 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/21/14 22:55, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking to put a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets would use the zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then use fpi

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-22 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/22/2014 12:16 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 12:34 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I have considerable routing and addressing knowledge. Besides being one of the authors of rfc 1918, and worked on CIDR, here at IETF I contribute to ipv6ops and ipv6man. Sorry, didn't mean to impune

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/21/14 22:55, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking to put > a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets would use the > zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then use fping > > fping -g 169.254.0.0/16 > > And S

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 12:34 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have considerable routing and addressing knowledge. Besides being > one of the authors of rfc 1918, and worked on CIDR, here at IETF I > contribute to ipv6ops and ipv6man. Sorry, didn't mean to impune you, but I don't remember who's

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/21/2014 02:19 PM, Fernando Gozalo wrote: Hi, So given ipv6 local-scope, how do I learn the other system's addr. According to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1162.html ip -6 neigh show Oow. that works! Will note that down for next time! thanks -- users mailing list u

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Fernando Gozalo
Hi, > So given ipv6 local-scope, how do I learn the other system's addr. According to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1162.html ip -6 neigh show Regards, Fernando. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.

Solved - Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Kind of. No zeroconf. For some reason. But at least ipv6 local-scope. Used wireshark to capture dhcp probes to get MAC address. Converted MAC address into IPv6 local scope address. ssh ipv6%interface and I am in! Now to later do this later to the actual box rather than between two noteboo

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/21/2014 11:25 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 10:55 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking to put a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets would use the zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 10:55 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking > to put a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets > would use the zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then use > fping > > fping -g 169.25

Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking to put a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets would use the zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then use fping fping -g 169.254.0.0/16 And SHOULD be able to get its address, and then SSH into th