Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-24 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Craig White wrote: > There is no one correct distribution. If there was, we would all be > using it or do you think we are so stupid we would deliberately choose > not to use it? Correct, I came to know this, thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-24 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/24/2011 2:06 AM, Craig White wrote: [...] http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [...] Craig Long read but good read ... plus a helping of "opps" for my various faux pas ... Thanks for the link, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-24 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. I really didn't understand if you are mis understanding something? Which new name and which same game? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subsc

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-12-24 at 12:24 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > Correct, I did ask in the Ubuntu lists too, but please: for a while > think of the time when you too were an absolute beginner and finding > your way typical of chosing the correct distribution and then start > working for it! Its ty

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:04 AM, David wrote: > I have been told that the same(??) guy asked the very same question with > the very same Subject: line on the Ubuntu list the other day. David, I understand your concern and respect your views but would like to tell you the same: Correct, I did a

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:31 PM, g wrote: > as always, i do respect your opinion, other than a couple times we > have gotten a little sideways, i have tried to maintain my harshness > and abusiveness to trolls, and other such ingrates. You are harsh in almost every talk, more of the times, I ha

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Craig White wrote: > George, I think you are unnecessarily harsh and abusive - but my > determination was made long before this exchange. That said, you > seemingly are incapable of understanding the adage... don't feed the > trolls. He is person who is born to

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:21:54 +0530 "Rameshwar Kr. Sharma" wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, g wrote: > Both of you: Either stop it or take it off line. Now. -- cmg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorapr

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread David
On 12/23/2011 12:14 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:28 +, g wrote: >> On 12/23/2011 01:47 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g wrote: >>> >>> Suneeta is a very common name in India. >>> >>> So John is also a common name, Mathew is also c

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 05:14 PM, Craig White wrote: <> > George, I think you are unnecessarily harsh and abusive - but my > determination was made long before this exchange. -=- craig, as always, i do respect your opinion, other than a couple times we have gotten a little sideways, i have tried to mainta

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:28 +, g wrote: > On 12/23/2011 01:47 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g wrote: > > > > > >> Suneeta is a very common name in India. > > > > So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what? > -=- > > yes, john and ma

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, g wrote: > yes, john and mathew common 'english' names. as are rameshwar or kr. > or sharma, are common names of people of India. > except that *Rameshwar Kr. Sharma* is not a common name. > so, for the rest of members of this list, go ahead, have it your way >

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 01:47 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g wrote: > > >> Suneeta is a very common name in India. > > So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what? -=- yes, john and mathew common 'english' names. as are rameshwar or kr. or sharma,

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/23 夜神 岩男 : > I'm not sure what's got you riled about my response. I really did write > that, not the Indian guy you've a problem with. > As far as Christmas goes, it is clearly the season when list goes haywire, > so I was only striving to make as much sense as everything else in this > t

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g wrote: > Suneeta is a very common name in India. So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM, g wrote: > a web search thru 3 sites on shows one living in India. Well I am an Indian but I do_not_live_there_right now! Okay? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mai

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/23/2011 10:02 PM, g wrote: On 12/23/2011 12:15 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/23 夜神 岩男: Its Christmas, so probably lots. -=- faking sender as you did only shows more of your lacking. and Christmas has nothing to do with how many there are. a web search thru 3 sit

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 12:24 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM, g wrote: > >> as for God blessing me. He has, many times. > >> tell Suneeta hello. > > I have no hate for you and nothing, -=- i have never said or inferred that you did. nor have i inferred such towards y

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 12:15 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > 2011/12/23 夜神 岩男 : > >> Its Christmas, so probably lots. -=- faking sender as you did only shows more of your lacking. and Christmas has nothing to do with how many there are. a web search thru 3 sites on shows one living in Indi

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/23 夜神 岩男 : > Its Christmas, so probably lots. +1 And merry Christmas to all, incl. 'g'. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mai

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/23/2011 09:09 PM, g wrote: just how many Rameshwar Kr. Sharma would you say there are in this world? Its Christmas, so probably lots. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
just how many Rameshwar Kr. Sharma would you say there are in this world? -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply "plain text" only. "html text" are deleted* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or chang

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM, g wrote: > as for God blessing me. He has, many times. May God bless all of us, I don't want to come into more debate, you do whatever you wish, its your life. > tell Suneeta hello. Don't know what is Suneeta? What is it? -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 05:34 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g wrote: > >> the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll. > >> i am not the one who has been trolling this list. > > While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I have so > far,

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g wrote: > the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll. > i am not the one who has been trolling this list. While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I have so far, seen only you to come into the war and fight, shame on you! Wheth

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote: in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your personae. I think that the term you want is "sock puppet." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 08:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote: >> in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you >> did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your >> personae. > > I think that the term you want is "sock puppet." -=- actually,

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 05:02 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, g wrote: > >>> True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should >>> leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. > >> better to have a habit of debate than a habit of t

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, g wrote: >> True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should >> leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. > better to have a habit of debate than a habit of trolling and deceit. Correct, so never troll then. -- user

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 03:55 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: <> > True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should > leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. -=- better to have a habit of debate than a habit of trolling and deceit. -- peace out. tc.hago,

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > That logic is beyond the scope of my comprehension at the moment. True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedor

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 03:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 11:17 PM, g wrote: >> On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: *nope* it is what is known as a "troll party". which "ain't over 'til well after the fat lady sings". >>>

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:17 PM, g wrote: > On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: >>> On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk : Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, like Ã

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: >> On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: >>> 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk : >>> >>> Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, >>> like 夜神 岩男 said tr

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: > On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: >> 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk : >> >> Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, >> like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more. > -=- > > *nope* > > it

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk : > > Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, > like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more. -=- *nope* it is what is known as a "troll party". which "a

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/22 Rameshwar Kr. Sharma : > Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, > like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more. Please don't invoke what I meant. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opt

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk : Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
Trolls? In my Fedora? O_O On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > On 12/22/2011 10:15 PM, Craig White wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote: >> >>> On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: >>

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/22/2011 10:15 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote: On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 22 December 2011 17:28:59 Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > Me ducks for cover > > Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an > albatross. LOL! :-D Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote: > On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 > > Craig White wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >>> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > Ah yes! but the other couple of

Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hu

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 14:32, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hund

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from > the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to > that device, you're going to get an address from the same block. Not on my ISP. There's two or three di

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > Me ducks for cover Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an albatross. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read mess

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Craig White wrote: >> conversation is my button, applied with gusto. >> Roger > evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of > delete button. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscripti

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone > company's switch. Now a ways, router are used more often, some boxy type of thing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subs

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 07:56 PM, Craig White wrote: it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Maybe, but I'm sure that Sgt. Detritus could manage it, and that Diamond is in a class by himself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 03:11 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, > > > smiling in a diabolic way... // > > > > Does that me

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 > Craig White wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. >>> couple of hundred = 80 (including th

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/22/2011 11:46 AM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > > > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. > > > > couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) > > > > couple of hundred = hyperbole

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, > > smiling in a diabolic way... // > > Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-) Nah, that

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. > > couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) > > couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... the

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of compl

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 11:58, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my button, applied with gusto. Roger ev

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in > a > diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something co

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:58:08 Antonio Olivares wrote: > > Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux. Wait, is there really any GNU in the Android? I thought that Android was a textbook example of a Linux-based non-GNU OS... ;-) // And now the *real* flame war

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: > > > As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." > > > > > The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation > conversation is my button, applied with gusto. > Roger evidently your aim isn'

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 08:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: >> only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, >> which brings down dsl modem. > > I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly > long lease on an IP. When that lease

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger
As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my button, applied with gusto. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opti

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/21 10:56, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. There is also the philosophical question regarding

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 10:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: <> > As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." > > Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this > list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. > Even all of the responses seem nearly the

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. Thank you, Patrick. I knew it had a simple name, but after eight years of not needing to think about it I'd forgotten. -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone > company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what > it's called. It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. poc -- users mailing l

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone compa

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew it. There's a

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscripti

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 11:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <> > Your IP address is not necessarily constant. -=- only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/21/2011 09:19 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:40 +, Clive Hills wrote: > I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Gratuitous invocations don't count. > > Can this just stop. > Clive -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedorap

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Clive Hills wrote: > Can this just stop. What to be stopped? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Maili

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Clive Hills
I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a qu

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tim wrote: > Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration.  For one thing, > they're a slow medium.  So don't be put off trying a proper installation > if the demonstration isn't that good. Oh yes, but I can install from Live CD only and then just updat

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that SUSE > uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist similar > deals, the public simply never will know about. > b) whom to consider the devil is (m

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:34 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I > really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the > use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to > judge a distro. Th

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
> c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux > definitely are not close friends, Microsoft's attitude > towards Linux has changed at least to some extend. Also, the > real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore. > Yes, indeed times are changing. I hear that Microsoft's attit

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2011 02:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-suc

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > This is entirely up to you :)  You decide.  If you like OpenSUSE, use it.   > Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right? > If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?  This community is > for

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
> >>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with > Microsoft... > > >> I really didn't understand this sentence and its > hidden (may be) meaning. > > > Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft > > > http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-ag

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) > Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it > you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. +1 And what if he/she might be using some

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 06:12 +, g wrote: > On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > <> > > > Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, > -=- > > my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect > that Canadians are Americans living in

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/21/2011 01:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from Windows XP, I am bored using it, many viruses and also high cost to maintain. Apart from it, I came to know that there are many linux and more specifical

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > All the best, Thanks Paul. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lis

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html > It's up to you to draw your conclusions. > Some people consider this "agreement" to be the "dawn of mankind", "SUSE > betray

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2011 07:54 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft http:/

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 11:07 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a one-on-one offends. I wish the list wo

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your > questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just do > it rather than try to figure out what is best from a distance. Okay sure, I guess

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
I guess I have to just pick one at random whether it is Fedora, or openSUSE or Ubuntu. Thanks. Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just do it rather than try to figure out what is best fr

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without > declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a > one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I also wish > people would

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another > look at what you should be using. http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html Seeing this,

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 10:58 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g wrote: i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out distinction as to what part. my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Ameri

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Until you are familiar enough with any version of Linux, this "issue" is > academic as you can't determine whether it applies to you or not. > You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another > look at what y

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 10:54 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development ('intellectual property concerns') Oh I see, this is r

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g wrote: > i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out > distinction as to what part. > my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Americans, this is not the right place, I assume you

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler wrote: >>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... >> I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. > Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft > http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-s

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > If you want to learn linux, then go and get Slackware! > If you want hand holding and flash + codecs get Mint based on Ubuntu, If you > want 2 learn Fedora then stay and use it.  If you want to use OpenSUSE you > can do it too. > If y

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Craig White wrote: >> fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. > possibly - but just out of curiosity, do you have any installed from or > have enabled rpmfusion-nonfree repo? >> suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. > I think he asked about op

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > <> > > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. > > > i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. > > i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind pu

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