F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Andre Robatino
Tony Nelson wrote: > > The effect of the readahead bug is to prevent the last few dozen KB > > of the ISO from being read. I've done plenty of experiments. > You are confused. The read is not prevented, it only returns less > data than requested. Some badly written programs cannot deal with >

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-03-03 15:52:23, Andre Robatino wrote: > Tony Nelson wrote: > > > This is completely incorrect. The data on affected CDs and DVDs is > > always longer than the data written. You should be able to figure > > out for yourself why you must be wrong, and any experiments will > > prove it to you

F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Andre Robatino
Tony Nelson wrote: > This is completely incorrect. The data on affected CDs and DVDs is > always longer than the data written. You should be able to figure > out for yourself why you must be wrong, and any experiments will > prove it to you. The "readahead bug" causes extra data to be > returne

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-03-03 05:23:02, Andre Robatino wrote: > Tony Nelson wrote: > > > Reading will never return more than the requested number of bytes. > > It may read past the desired end of a CD or DVD. With that in > > mind, read what I wrote above. If you don't understand it, ask a > > question. > > I'm

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:31:08 -0800 Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > The Chicken and Egg Problem for checksums was solved for the IP header > checksum, and the TCP payload checksum back during the 1970s. > > When calculating the checksum, set the checksum field itself to zero. > When verifying th

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 03 March 2010, Mike McCarty wrote: >Tim wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 20:24 -0500, Andre Robatino wrote: >>> I use the rawread script from >>> >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm#rawread >>> >>> which automatically reads the correct size of the ISO, and runs a dd

F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Andre Robatino
Tony Nelson wrote: > Reading will never return more than the requested number of bytes. > It may read past the desired end of a CD or DVD. With that in mind, > read what I wrote above. If you don't understand it, ask a question. I'm not sure what you mean by "requested number of bytes", since y

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 03 March 2010, Tim wrote: >On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 20:24 -0500, Andre Robatino wrote: >> I use the rawread script from >> >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm#rawread >> >> which automatically reads the correct size of the ISO, and runs a dd >> command reading exactly

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Mike McCarty
Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > The Chicken and Egg Problem for checksums was solved for the IP header > checksum, and the TCP payload checksum back during the 1970s. That's Fletcher's checksum, which is not robust. It's possible to put a 32 bit checksum into a program which it can use to check

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
The Chicken and Egg Problem for checksums was solved for the IP header checksum, and the TCP payload checksum back during the 1970s. When calculating the checksum, set the checksum field itself to zero. When verifying the checksum, skip over the value that is actually present. Perform the calcula

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: > > It wasn't that chicken-and-egg situation that I was referring to, but > the long standing issue that the self check has been bad for a very long > time. If *something* *else* can manage to not read past the end of the > disc, why can't it? Ok, I misunderstood what you were referri

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Tim
Andre Robatino: >>> I use the rawread script from >>> >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm#rawread >>> >>> which automatically reads the correct size of the ISO Tim: >> I have to ask: Why doesn't the installer's self test routine work that >> way? This problem has been ar

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-03-02 20:24:03, Andre Robatino wrote: > Tony Nelson wrote: > > > That test often fails due to a kernel issue, making good media seem > > bad. I prefer to compare the bits with: > > > # cmp /dev/dvd /path/to/iso > > > If the dvd matches the iso: if there is no kernel issue there will

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 20:24 -0500, Andre Robatino wrote: >> I use the rawread script from >> >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm#rawread >> >> which automatically reads the correct size of the ISO, and runs a dd >> command reading exactly that much off the disc.

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 20:24 -0500, Andre Robatino wrote: > I use the rawread script from > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm#rawread > > which automatically reads the correct size of the ISO, and runs a dd > command reading exactly that much off the disc. I have to ask: W

F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Andre Robatino
Tony Nelson wrote: > That test often fails due to a kernel issue, making good media seem > bad. I prefer to compare the bits with: > # cmp /dev/dvd /path/to/iso > If the dvd matches the iso: if there is no kernel issue there will > be no output; else it will complain about eof on the iso f

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread John Aldrich
On Tuesday 02 March 2010, Mike McCarty wrote: > > I have used K3b for several years, and never had a problem with it. > If you prefer the GUI way, then I recommend it. It's a front end > to cdrecord. > [snip] > I don't like KDE, but the GNOME tools for CDs and DVDs I've > had problems with. Neve

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-03-02 11:26:09, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > Good for you! > > When you first boot the install CD, it presents the option of > validating the DVD contents, to ensure that you really do have a good > burn. Let it do that check at least once. If the test every > succeeds, it will probab

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Mike McCarty
Temlakos wrote: > Happily, I substituted "cdrecord" for "wodim" in that command line. > Forty minutes later, I now have a disk that I have every reason to > suppose will work as intended. The burn surface looks as though it > accepted a burn of about 3 GB, and cdrecord returned only one warning

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
Good for you! When you first boot the install CD, it presents the option of validating the DVD contents, to ensure that you really do have a good burn. Let it do that check at least once. If the test every succeeds, it will probably always succeed, but you sure don't want to try to install from

Re: F12-i386-DVD iso won't burn properly -- SOLVED

2010-03-02 Thread Temlakos
Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Temlakos wrote: > >> Sadly, I don't seem to have wodim on my system. (I never upgraded beyond >> FC6, if that explains anything.) How do I get it? >> > > FC6 would have cdrecord. I think wodim and cdrecord have compatible >