Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/16/2013 01:29 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: > Gentle People: > > My suggestion: Use Fedora 14 and immediately load all updates. > > Results from my testing: > Fedora 17 x64 - Not usable way to many bugs. > Fedora 17 x32 - Barely usable, not ready for prime time! > >

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/15/2013 10:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: listen stupid troll: i am a USER, these are not MY bigs and the only one who is wasting anybodys time are trolls like you! If you really think he's a troll, stop responding and see if he goes away. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Patrick Lists
On 01/15/2013 07:49 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: When a customer says you have a quality problem then you have one. Maybe you should ask for your money back... Stop wasting you time and mine screaming at me and fix you bugs!! This is a *community* project and since you are using this wonder

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Tethys
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > Bug reports are more useful than "it doesn't work". I agree. That's why most of my problems are logged in bugzilla. But they generally follow the standard Fedora bug lifecycle: bug is created, then ignored for two releases, then closed bec

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.01.2013 19:49, schrieb Thomas Dineen: > Reindl Harald: > > I would rather have something unsupported that works than something that dose > not work! what YOU want does nobody interest in the context YOU SUGGEST doing your mistakes to other persons and as long you are running windows sto

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Thomas Dineen
Reindl Harald: I would rather have something unsupported that works than something that dose not work! Quality like beauty is in the eye of the beholder! When a customer says you have a quality problem then you have one. Stop wasting you time and mine screaming at me and fix you bugs!!

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:29:05 -0800 Thomas Dineen wrote: > Gentle People: > > My suggestion: Use Fedora 14 and immediately load all updates. Which leaves you with a system that is dangerously insecure If you want to run a long term Fedora like system from that era you want to be running C

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.01.2013 18:29, schrieb Thomas Dineen: > Gentle People: > > My suggestion: Use Fedora 14 and immediately load all updates. > > Results from my testing: > Fedora 17 x64 - Not usable way to many bugs. > Fedora 17 x32 - Barely usable, not ready for prime time!

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.01.2013 18:24, schrieb Tethys: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> where was F17 unstable? >> >> running in production since months for any sort of >> servers, routers and gateways without a single crash > > Different environment, different experiences. My work d

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:29:05 -0800 Thomas Dineen wrote: > Gentle People: > > My suggestion: Use Fedora 14 and immediately load all updates. > Never suggest to anyone that they use an unsupported version. As they can be many security issues. > I would suggest that the Fedora Gro

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Patrick Lists
On 01/15/2013 06:29 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: Gentle People: My suggestion: Use Fedora 14 and immediately load all updates. At the risk of feeding the trolls... Which updates? It has been EOL for ages, has not received (security) updates in ages and has more security holes than swiss ch

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 01/15/2013 05:29 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: Gentle People: My suggestion: Use Fedora 14 and immediately load all updates. Results from my testing: Fedora 17 x64 - Not usable way to many bugs. Not sure what this has to do with F18 install methods but I'm using F17 x86

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Thomas Dineen
Gentle People: My suggestion: Use Fedora 14 and immediately load all updates. Results from my testing: Fedora 17 x64 - Not usable way to many bugs. Fedora 17 x32 - Barely usable, not ready for prime time! I am staying with Fedora 14! I would suggest th

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Tethys
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > where was F17 unstable? > > running in production since months for any sort of > servers, routers and gateways without a single crash Different environment, different experiences. My work desktop, running an up to date F17, hangs solid pret

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:11:15 + Tethys wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Bill Davidsen > wrote: > > > After using every release from four on, 17 still looks like the > > sweet spot between functionality and stability, hope this one is > > in the ballpark. > > Uhhh... wow. Your exper

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.01.2013 18:11, schrieb Tethys: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > >> After using every release from four on, 17 still looks like the sweet spot >> between functionality and stability, hope this one is in the ballpark. > > Uhhh... wow. Your experiences are very diff

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Tethys
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > After using every release from four on, 17 still looks like the sweet spot > between functionality and stability, hope this one is in the ballpark. Uhhh... wow. Your experiences are very different to mine. I've used every RH and then Fedora

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Preupgrade has been deprecated for F18. Use Fedup (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp). As always, it's a good idea to read the Release Notes (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Sysadmin.html) Typical Fedor

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/15/2013 04:09 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > >I have two different F-18 installs to deal with. > >F-18 beta upgraded almost daily, once more just now, do I need to do >any more than that? > >and > >This F-17 XFCE Live install which is configured the way

Re: F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 11:09 -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > I have two different F-18 installs to deal with. > > F-18 beta upgraded almost daily, once more just now, do I need to do > any more than that? No. > and > > This F-17 XFCE Live install which is co

F-18/64 Install Methods -

2013-01-15 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
I have two different F-18 installs to deal with. F-18 beta upgraded almost daily, once more just now, do I need to do any more than that? and This F-17 XFCE Live install which is configured the way I want it and upgraded also. I downloaded both F-18 Live spins for XFCE and