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> we have a Windows-free home! > -- So you can't look outside because you have no "Windows" :( You could at least use curtains, shutters, or tint them to protect from the hot sun if your house would not be "windows-free":) Could not resist! :( :) :) :) Regards, Antonio -- users mailing l

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Tim: >> The last time I tried to do this with a DOS/FAT formatted drive, I >> had to figure out how to assign a drive letter to the drive, before I >> could use the DOS commands to apply a drive label (because those >> commands could only make use of DOS drive letters, rather than Linux >> device n

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2011-06-15 05:57, James McKenzie skrev: > On 6/14/11 10:20 AM, Jon Ingason wrote: >> 2011-06-13 04:26, James McKenzie skrev: >> And before MacOX, there was Lisa and before Lisa was Star ;-) >> >> But that was lng ago! >> > Lisa bombed, it was the first major failure for Apple. Never heard of >

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On 06/15/2011 04:14 PM, Tim wrote: > Things have probably improved since I last tried (still on Fedora 9, > here). But my point was with a GUIfied system, one that's being touted > as the bees knees, and doesn't require geek/guru status to use, > everything should be do-able through the GUI, and t

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On 06/15/2011 05:49 AM, Tim wrote: > Hmm, well, you really*need* to be a geek to sustain Windows. What with > all the security flaws, and it continually shooting itself in the foot.. I follow an XP support group on Usenet, partially to see how the other half lives. Recently, there was a post a

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On 06/14/2011 11:34 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >>> mount point and the desktop icon (on my F13/GNOME system). >>> The problem continued to exist when I went to F14, and is still there >>> now that I've switched to XFCE. My main complaint is

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Tim: >> And how about giving the devices a label? That's something that really >> sucks on all the Linux desktops I've tried. Bryn M. Reeves: > Well, I'm an old fashioned terminal user and I don't mind reading the man page > for mkfs.vfat to find out how to set the volume name of a file system (i

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On 06/15/2011 02:02 PM, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 11:38 +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >> Reading, reporting and interpreting labels are not the job of the USB >> drivers or their maintainers. The right people to help really are the >> maintainers of the user space hardware abstraction subsy

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On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 17:07 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > Linux can either be the OS/2 of the computing world or the replacement > for Microsoft's Windows products. Which do YOU want? I want the > latter. I want people to use, with ease, a vastly better OS. We, the > community have to be willi

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On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 11:38 +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > Reading, reporting and interpreting labels are not the job of the USB > drivers or their maintainers. The right people to help really are the > maintainers of the user space hardware abstraction subsystems and the > various desktop environm

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On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 19:27 +0200, Jon Ingason wrote: > I have used Linux since 1993 (0.98) and I am not a geek. Which of the five steps is that? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the

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On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 20:04 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > Yes. To grow the desktop, we need to start embracing the common user. > There are a limited number of geeks and they cannot sustain Linux. > Not at a financially viable level... Hmm, well, you really *need* to be a geek to sustain Windows

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On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 07:36 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: > We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people. > Maybe downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with > a link to "How Linux is Different from Windows"--which is a video, and > a text document, and maybe a

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On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 20:57 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > On 6/14/11 10:20 AM, Jon Ingason wrote: > > 2011-06-13 04:26, James McKenzie skrev: > > And before MacOX, there was Lisa and before Lisa was Star ;-) > > > > But that was lng ago! > > > Lisa bombed, it was the first major failure for Ap

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Am 15.06.2011 05:57, schrieb James McKenzie: > On 6/14/11 10:20 AM, Jon Ingason wrote: >> 2011-06-13 04:26, James McKenzie skrev: >> And before MacOX, there was Lisa and before Lisa was Star ;-) Not to forget: GS/OS (for the Apple IIgs) --- which influenced MacOS design. And before AppleDOS and a

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On 06/14/2011 11:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/14/2011 03:01 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >> Which of those four items do you think should "show up automatically" >> when you plug in the drive? > > All four seems reasonable. Again, however, your missing my main > complaint. It's not that the USB

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On 6/14/11 10:20 AM, Jon Ingason wrote: > 2011-06-13 04:26, James McKenzie skrev: > And before MacOX, there was Lisa and before Lisa was Star ;-) > > But that was lng ago! > Lisa bombed, it was the first major failure for Apple. Never heard of Star (and if it was anything like Lisa, I don't w

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On Tue June 14 2011, Michael Ekstrand wrote: > > I can see "Documentation" being intimidating for new users. A "Tour" > could potentially be much friendlier. It also has the potential to be > scripted in concert with the shell, so it can e.g. highlight the > Activities hotspot when discussing it

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On 06/14/2011 03:34 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > Some folks would love to see "Mikey's USB Thingie" but that is not > what is written in hardware at the first glance and is only picked up > if a device specific driver is loaded. That's fine. And, if the USB devs had said that, and told me that the

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On 06/14/2011 03:53 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > Are you sure its not a problem with your setup or hardware itself? Well, I'll be danged. It works now. It never did before, either on my desktop or my laptop. Still, that doesn't address the attitude of the devs when I pointed out to them that their

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> In any case, since you didn't say which desktop environment you are >> using, it is hard to know what your problem is.  If I attach a flash >> drive with a FAT32 filesystem with a label, the label is used for the >> mount point and the desktop ic

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On 06/14/2011 03:01 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > Which of those four items do you think should "show up automatically" > when you plug in the drive? All four seems reasonable. Again, however, your missing my main complaint. It's not that the USB services don't report the label, it's that the d

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >> mount point and the desktop icon (on my F13/GNOME system). >> The problem continued to exist when I went to F14, and is still there >> now that I've switched to XFCE.  My main complaint isn't that it doesn't >> work, it's that the USB devs

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Joe Klemmer wrote: > Having a simple doc or web page for the changes would be a > helpful thing, IMO. Fedora Weekly News used to contain short, useful, informal articles. I enjoyed it very much. Then it suddenly changed to a kind of in-house data-sheet, with information about committee meetings o

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:56:17 +0200 Timothy Murphy wrote: > So in this case at least it was Linux 10, Windows 0. My new Dell Zino HTPC is a mixed bag. I have yet to discover any way to get sound to come out the HDMI connection on Fedora, so that makes it just a tad useless as a home theatre box :-

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> mount point and the desktop icon (on my F13/GNOME system). > The problem continued to exist when I went to F14, and is still there > now that I've switched to XFCE. My main complaint isn't that it doesn't > work, it's that the USB devs refused to even admit that their software > wasn't reporting

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Antonio Olivares wrote: > There is a story at distrowatch comment # 66 about a person who used linux > for a while and like it still does, but went back to windows because of > several problems. Here's link: > > http://batsov.com/Linux/Windows/Rant/2011/06/11/linux-desktop-experience- killing-li

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Michael Ekstrand wrote: >> that's a very good idea... and maybe put a shortcut on the desktop to >> it...labeled "documentation" or something similar. > > I can see "Documentation" being intimidating for new users. A "Tour" > could potentially be much friendlier. It also has

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--- On Tue, 6/14/11, charles zeitler wrote: > From: charles zeitler > Subject: Re: Adieu, Fedora > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 10:14 AM > -- > > Do what thou wilt > shall  be the whole  of the Law. > >

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On 06/14/2011 03:58 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:06:30 -0400 > Marcus D. Leech wrote: > >> The problem is that Linux is often at the mercy of the hardware >> manufacturers, who prioritize their development efforts on Windows > > I have never understood why no one ever built a

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On 06/14/2011 01:48 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Since what you are talking about is NOT a hardware or driver function, > you were asking the wrong people. If you had a similar attitude in your > post to their list, it wouldn't be surprising for you to get a negative > response. > The response to my

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:06:30 -0400 Marcus D. Leech wrote: > The problem is that Linux is often at the mercy of the hardware > manufacturers, who prioritize their development efforts on Windows I have never understood why no one ever built a binary compatible windows driver environment for linux.

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Once upon a time, Joe Zeff said: > In some cases, it's worse than that. As you probably know, when you > hook up a flash drive under Windows, it shows it in My Computer, named > by the drive's label if it has one. In Linux, it shows up on the > desktop, named for its brand, even if it has a l

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On 06/14/2011 01:06 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > USB front, there are also instances of devices claiming compliance > with the standard protocols, but in fact, lying. Which means that > the standard USB "UAC-1" and "UAC-2" class drivers in Linux are > *doomed* to malfunction in certain wa

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On 14/06/2011 3:47 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > There is a story at distrowatch comment # 66 about a person who used linux > for a while and like it still does, but went back to windows because of > several problems. Here's link: > > http://batsov.com/Linux/Windows/Rant/2011/06/11/linux-deskt

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--- On Tue, 6/14/11, Craig White wrote: > From: Craig White > Subject: Re: Adieu, Fedora > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 4:48 AM > On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 07:14 +0800, Ed > Greshko wrote: > > On 06/13/2011 06:08 AM, Patrick Bartek wrot

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--- On Mon, 6/13/11, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, > Patrick Bartek > wrote: > > > > Not all that old. I'm running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 on > the Debian 6 VM, which > > I haven't checked lately to see if there's an update. > My current kernel for F12 > > is 2.6.32.26-175 64-bit

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2011-06-13 04:42, David skrev: > > Linux has always been the geek OS. And the directions have always been > written in Geek for Geeks. > No! Not any more! I have used Linux since 1993 (0.98) and I am not a geek. -- Jon Ingason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe o

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2011-06-13 04:26, James McKenzie skrev: > On 6/12/11 7:08 PM, nomnex wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:07:10 -0700 >> James McKenzie wrote: >> >> > I've been using computers since the 1970s. Hollerith cards, JCL and the > whole bunch. Me too ;-) Again, the big breakthrough for home comput

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-- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/14/2011 04:38 AM, Craig White wrote: >> Basically all UI's suck at this point but you pick what you pick and >> adapt to using what's there as best as you can. > > They are software

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--- On Mon, 6/13/11, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/13/2011 12:25 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > After all, most of the hardware is at least 6 years > > old.  So, by today's standards, for a desktop, it's > > OLD, and I need it to maintain usability for another 2 to 3 > > years. > > The mobo and CPU

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On 06/14/2011 04:38 AM, Craig White wrote: > Basically all UI's suck at this point but you pick what you pick and > adapt to using what's there as best as you can. They are software, therefore they suck. They will always suck. However, some of them have a lower Lovelace value than others. The

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On 06/14/2011 05:42 AM, John Aldrich wrote: > On Mon June 13 2011, suvayu ali wrote: >> > (snip) >> Isn't this easy to follow? Maybe there could be a one time splash >> screen reminding a new user on first login that the documentation is >> already on their system. >> > that's a very good idea...

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On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 07:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/13/2011 06:08 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > I'll still keep an eye on Fedora for old time's sake. And 12 will stay on > > the system as a back up. So, it's not exactly farewell, just . . . > > > > Auf Wiedersehen, > > I've recently s

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On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 19:26 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > Linux, although much superior, has a major problem and that > is the UI. The 'best' UI out there at present is MacOSX. And I > don't > just say that because I use one, its because just about everyone out > there is trying to imitate it

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On Mon June 13 2011, suvayu ali wrote: > (snip) > Isn't this easy to follow? Maybe there could be a one time splash > screen reminding a new user on first login that the documentation is > already on their system. > that's a very good idea... and maybe put a shortcut on the desktop to it...labele

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On 06/13/2011 12:21 PM, Kam Leo wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Alan Cox wrote: >>> The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other >>> way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro >>> he likes better. >> >> The primary end user Linux UI

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Not all that old. I'm running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 on the Debian 6 VM, which > I haven't checked lately to see if there's an update. My current kernel for > F12 > is 2.6.32.26-175 64-bit. Not that much difference. Remember, my hardware >

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: > We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people.  Maybe > downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with a link to > "How Linux is Different from Windows"--which is a video, and a text > document, and maybe a

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On Mon June 13 2011, Dave Ihnat wrote: > > We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people. > Maybe downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with > a link to "How Linux is Different from Windows"--which is a video, and > a text document, and maybe a downloada

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--- On Sun, 6/12/11, JD wrote: > On 06/12/2011 03:08 PM, Patrick > Bartek wrote: > > It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora > > as my primary OS, but it's time to move on.  My current > > > > [snip] > > As was stated in a recent response on this list, Fedora is > always in > test m

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> Yes, and a cute little dog when you do a file search would be nice too! > Speaking of cute little dogs...maybe someone should redo M$ Bob for Linux...we could call it "Linux Boob" :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://a

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--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Patrick Bartek > wrote: > > It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora > as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. > > This reminds me of OS/2 users on oS/2 maling list who > often  decided > that not only they had to change OS, they had

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On 06/13/2011 12:25 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > After all, most of the hardware is at least 6 years old. So, by today's > standards, for a desktop, it's OLD, and I need it to maintain usability for > another 2 to 3 years. The mobo and CPU on my main desktop box go back to '03, and I'm not in a

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On Mon June 13 2011, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > > Well sure. But let's not go down the path of lobotomizing it to the > point where it has achieved >"glorified typewriter" status. Which is, I'm afraid, where most > people's mindset is about computers >in general, and Windows in particular.

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--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Digimer wrote: > On 06/12/2011 06:08 PM, Patrick > Bartek wrote: > > It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora > > as my primary OS, but it's time to move on.  My current > > [snip] > > Every distro exists to fit a niche. That Fedora is not the > one for your >

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--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Andras Simon wrote: > On 6/13/11, Patrick Bartek > wrote: > > [...] > > > Considered XFCE and LXDE instead, but > > decided the best option was to abandon the Desktop GUI > environment > > all-together in favor of a well-featured window > manager, simple launch bar > > for

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Alan Cox wrote: >> The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other >> way around.  If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro >> he likes better. > > The primary end user Linux UI is Android. In that sense the argument is > ov

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On 13/06/2011 3:01 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > > No, I think that Windows is just more "user-friendly" and does more "hand- > holding than Linux. I think we need to get out of the mindset of "we don't > want 'everybody' using linux because then it wouldn't be cool." It often > seems that's the attitu

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On Sun June 12 2011, Stephen Bunn wrote: > > Seriously? You aren't really trying to argue the point that windows has > better documentation than GNU/Linux. > > That and the *goal* shouldn't be who has the most users. The *goal* > should be a desktop that does what the user base needs it to do. T

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On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM, David wrote: >> I disagree. He makes a very valid point. New installs of Windows always >> come up with a tutorial and "helper" app. I have never seen anything like >> that on Linux > Really? Seriously? > > What "New installs of Windows" of Windows are you referrin

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On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 20:04 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > el... > > I would love to see the folks in Redmond squirm. Windows has so many > problems that it should be banned from anywhere where reliability is > key. Go to your local hospital and see what they are running. It > scares me that

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On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Phil Savoie wrote: > On 12/06/2011 11:12 PM, David wrote: >> I see. Now I understand you completely. Since Linux is user supported. I >> am sure that the developers would welcome any tutorials that you would >> write and provide. That is the way the Linux works. >>

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:36:20 -0500 Dave Ihnat wrote: > And users crave that comfortable > familiarity; when trying something new, abnormal behavior will strike > hardest, and frustration with what should be simple tasks will cost much > more. This problem extends even to phones :-). It was severa

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:42:57AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > A lot of information on how to do things in linux actually comes from > lists exactly like this one! Well, yes. As does a lot of help for Windows, and Mac... But the newbies won't see them. And they won't do the "Tour" in XP, or Vi

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> The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other > way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro > he likes better. The primary end user Linux UI is Android. In that sense the argument is over for the moment. Alan -- users mailing list users@li

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Why?  There are many people out there that play games, and for gaming no OS > out there, no Crossover, wine, ..., Virtual machines out there beat windows.   > Most of the games are for windows and till linux > creates games that are on

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > Yup, "man" pages aren't very friendly for newbs.  But they aren't really > intended for that audience. >  They're intended as handy reference documents, rather than tutorials. > Some of them are better >  written than others.  Unfortunatel

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On 06/12/2011 07:54 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > People are tired of using poor quality software written > to a broken OS. Say rather that most people are so used to badly written software and a broken OS that they don't realize how bad things are; they think it's normal. Right now, I'm house si

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On 06/12/2011 05:07 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > he decision has been made, for > us by others, that the desktop will move into the 21st Century. I would rather say that certain people have decided what the desktop of the 21st Century will be and have also decided that the rest of us will have no

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:26:47 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: > are trying to copy the functionality of MacOSX Aqua. It is simple > and basically hides most functions most users will never want to > touch and in most cases, should not touch. You seems passionate making your point here. I recommend a

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On 06/13/2011 01:11 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > I like to fix machines for my students and they laugh and joke around when a > fake rogue virus shows up that it is scanning and I start the machine in safe > mode and look for the startup folder in the user/TEMP/ApplicationData/ > folders wher

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> > Linux has always been the geek OS. And the directions > have always been > > written in Geek for Geeks. > > > Yes.  To grow the desktop, we need to start embracing > the common user.  > There are a limited number of geeks and they cannot sustain > Linux.  Not > at a financially viable level..

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--- On Sun, 6/12/11, David wrote: > From: David > Subject: Re: Adieu, Fedora > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:17 PM > On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie > wrote: > > On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: > >> On 6/12/2011 8:4

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 6/12/11 7:30 PM, Stephen Bunn wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Aldrich > > wrote: > > > > > Seriously? You aren't really trying to argue the point that windows > > has better documentation th

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On 06/13/2011 12:06 AM, Phil Savoie wrote: > James, > > No point in arguing with this guy. This *is* the reason why linux in > general is the state in which you describe. Responses like his only > further prove your points. It's too bad that there are way more David's > out there than those l

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On 06/13/2011 09:26 AM, James McKenzie wrote: > I don't expect to see much from Fedora 15 for at least another year or > so. Maybe Gnome3 will be added to RHEL 6.2, but that is a ways off. Umm. No., RHEL 7 will be the earliest that GNOME 3.x will be included. Neither RHEL nor Fedora will upda

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On 12/06/2011 11:12 PM, David wrote: > I see. Now I understand you completely. Since Linux is user supported. I > am sure that the developers would welcome any tutorials that you would > write and provide. That is the way the Linux works. > > As for "the folks in Redmond"? I doubt that they will lo

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On 6/12/11 8:15 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 06/12/2011 10:26 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > >> Marketing is what is it is all about. You could make the best gizmo in >> the business, but if you cannot get folks to use it, you just wasted >> your time and alot of someone else's money. This happe

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On 06/12/2011 10:26 PM, James McKenzie wrote: >> > Marketing is what is it is all about. You could make the best gizmo in > the business, but if you cannot get folks to use it, you just wasted > your time and alot of someone else's money. This happened with OS/2 > when Microsoft introduced W

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On 6/12/2011 11:04 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 6/12/11 7:42 PM, David wrote: >> On 6/12/2011 10:31 PM, James McKenzie wrote: >>> On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: >> On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrot

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On 6/12/11 7:42 PM, David wrote: > On 6/12/2011 10:31 PM, James McKenzie wrote: >> On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: >>> On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: > On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 >>

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On 6/12/11 7:37 PM, David wrote: > On 6/12/2011 10:22 PM, John Aldrich wrote: >> On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: >>> On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: > We need > to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use tha

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On 6/12/11 7:30 PM, Stephen Bunn wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Aldrich > wrote: > > On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: > > On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 > > > > > > When you run Win

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On 6/12/2011 10:31 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: >> On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: >>> On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 > James McKenzie wrote: > >> We nee

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On 6/12/2011 10:22 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: >> On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 >>> >>> James McKenzie wrote: We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. >>> >>>

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 6/12/11 7:20 PM, JD wrote: > On 06/12/2011 03:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but >> it's time to move on. My current and future needs are for a support life >> measured in years, not months. And CentOS and Scientific Lin

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John Aldrich wrote: > On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: > > On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 > > > > > > When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger > > > you incessantly about learning how t

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 6/12/11 7:17 PM, David wrote: > On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: >> On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: >>> On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: > We need > to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use th

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 6/12/11 7:08 PM, nomnex wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:07:10 -0700 > James McKenzie wrote: > > > > The last comment comes from a OSX Mac user. if I recall, you can only > re-size the windows using the bottom left side on Mac, not to confuse > the user-base=>BIG ego, poor skills. I've been usi

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On Sun June 12 2011, David wrote: > On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 > > > > James McKenzie wrote: > >> We need > >> to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out > >> there. > > > > When you run Windows for the first time, an

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 06/12/2011 03:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but > it's time to move on. My current and future needs are for a support life > measured in years, not months. And CentOS and Scientific Linux didn't > fulfill my other requi

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: >> On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 >>> James McKenzie wrote: >>> We need to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out there. >>> Wh

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:07:10 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: The last comment comes from a OSX Mac user. if I recall, you can only re-size the windows using the bottom left side on Mac, not to confuse the user-base=>BIG ego, poor skills. And then the lecture goes on: "if you don't follow the cheep

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 6/12/11 6:54 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/13/2011 08:48 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 >> James McKenzie wrote: >> >>> We need >>> to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out >>> there. >> When you run Windows for the first time, annoying

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote: > On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 >> James McKenzie wrote: >> >>> We need >>> to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out >>> there. >> When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutoria

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 06/13/2011 08:48 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 > James McKenzie wrote: > >> We need >> to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out >> there. > When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger > you incessantly about lear

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 > James McKenzie wrote: > >> We need >> to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out >> there. > > When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger > you incessantly about le

Re: Adieu, Fedora

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: > We need > to make Linux as easy, if not easier to use than the other 'junk' out > there. When you run Windows for the first time, annoying tutorials badger you incessantly about learning how to use the Windows interface and/or adapting

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