Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 2/24/25 16:28, Slade Watkins wrote: On 2/24/2025 1:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/24/2025 02:18 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: He won't pay for a new computer, let alone my time for setting it up. If so, he wants a system that works on FM: Fscking Magic. Yeah, I agree with Joe Zeff h

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 2/24/25 16:55, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 4:24 PM ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2/24/25 12:28 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Aviation is SOOO much fun! Every screw has to have paper work tracing it from, its origin. It a plastic bag them came in breaks, the whole bag

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-25 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Yep. 2 decades ago?  I was standing on the 777 assembly "line" and watched that happen. In a lot of cases, the workers have things like screws in a case, as they put in LOTS of screws in a short time.  But some of those screws are REALLY important and have complete handling procedures. If th

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread Slade Watkins
On 2/24/2025 5:39 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2/24/25 1:28 PM, Slade Watkins wrote: Personally, I'm worried about that being connected to the internet at this point in time; The server is also the iptables firewall. No one uses the console, except me, so no surfing. Okay, that m

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2/24/25 1:28 PM, Slade Watkins wrote: Personally, I'm worried about that being connected to the internet at this point in time; The server is also the iptables firewall. No one uses the console, except me, so no surfing. > and if I were Todd in this situation, I'd personally > put my fo

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 4:24 PM ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > On 2/24/25 12:28 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > Aviation is SOOO much fun! > > Every screw has to have paper work tracing it from, > its origin. It a plastic bag them came in breaks, > the whole bag has to be tosses. Due to Partn

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread Slade Watkins
On 2/24/2025 1:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/24/2025 02:18 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: He won't pay for a new computer, let alone my time for setting it up. If so, he wants a system that works on FM: Fscking Magic. Yeah, I agree with Joe Zeff here. The whole thing reads as weird to me

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2/24/25 12:28 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Aviation is SOOO much fun! Every screw has to have paper work tracing it from, its origin. It a plastic bag them came in breaks, the whole bag has to be tosses. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fed

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2/24/25 10:36 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/24/2025 02:18 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: He won't pay for a new computer, let alone my time for setting it up. If so, he wants a system that works on FM: Fscking Magic. Seriously, if he's that cheap, does he pay you enough to keep his ancient

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Oh, aerospace!  Of course! Anything more recent than 10 years is new.  To by old it has to be 15+. I participate in the ICAO Trust Framework Panel and work with other groups in ICAO. If it APPEARS to work, don't touch it. They are moving very fast on authentication for GPS, as there is cons

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/24/2025 02:18 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: He won't pay for a new computer, let alone my time for setting it up. If so, he wants a system that works on FM: Fscking Magic. Seriously, if he's that cheap, does he pay you enough to keep his ancient system working or are you just keepin

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2/24/25 12:46 AM, Bob Marčan via users wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 16:19:54 -0800 "ToddAndMargo via users" wrote: On 2/22/25 8:14 PM, Tim wrote: Set up a demo computer, with new software There is no new software. If you mean the old software on a new OS, no one is willing to pay for that

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-24 Thread Bob Marčan via users
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 16:19:54 -0800 "ToddAndMargo via users" wrote: > On 2/22/25 8:14 PM, Tim wrote: > > Set up a demo computer, with new software > > There is no new software. > > If you mean the old software on a new OS, > no one is willing to pay for that. And > the vendor would not be wil

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-23 Thread bruce
tangentially following the thread. But if i'm understanding. You have a somewhat "critical" piece of software, dealing with "Aerospace" components, that I gather are used for Aerospace related projects. Given that you mentioned "chain of custody" (supply channel) this implies some level of importa

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-23 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2/23/25 5:36 AM, Ranjan Maitra via users wrote: I am surprised that your client's software has not complained of something assuming that it is still being maintained and interfaces with things beyond the computer. The software on so poorly maintained that I consider is to be not maintained

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-23 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2/22/25 8:14 PM, Tim wrote: Set up a demo computer, with new software There is no new software. If you mean the old software on a new OS, no one is willing to pay for that. And the vendor would not be willing to test his stuff on the new OS. -- _

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-23 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 2/23/25 1:42 PM, Slade Watkins wrote: What's the extent of what the point-of-sale tracks? Does it handle payment processing? I mainly does inventory tracking for aerospace. Sales to, but it does not take credit cards. That is a different piece of software. The software in a badly maintaine

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-23 Thread Slade Watkins
On 2/22/2025 10:39 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I just visited a customer I had designed a Fedora 30 server. That makes the computer eleven years old! I do not dare upgrade or even install updates it as the point-of-sale software he is running a YUGE nasty K-L- U-G-E. T, What's the ex

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-23 Thread Ranjan Maitra via users
On Sun Feb23'25 09:24:32AM, Peter Boy Uni wrote: > From: Peter Boy Uni > Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 09:24:32 +0100 > To: Community support for Fedora users > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Re: 11 year old server! > > > > > Am 23.02.202

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-23 Thread Peter Boy Uni
> Am 23.02.2025 um 04:39 schrieb ToddAndMargo via users > : > > Hi All, > > I just visited a customer I had designed a Fedora 30 server. > That makes the computer eleven years old! We release twice a year, so it is about 5 or 6 years old. I see no reason why you should take the hassle to buy

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-22 Thread Terry Polzin
I had a RH6 samba server bridging the oracle/linux env to AD. Worked until last year when some M$ update broke the Kerberos trust and the RH box couldn't get AD updates. I agree build something modern in parallel, satisfy yourself it works and then sell the client On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 11:24 P

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, ToddAndMargo said: > I just visited a customer I had designed a Fedora 30 server. > That makes the computer eleven years old! No, it's 11 Fedora releases old, which are roughly twice a year. Fedora 30 was released 2019-04-30. Updates for it ended on 2020-05-26, so it's not con

Re: 11 year old server!

2025-02-22 Thread Tim via users
On Sat, 2025-02-22 at 19:39 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > I just visited a customer I had designed a Fedora 30 server. > That makes the computer eleven years old! > > I do not dare upgrade or even install updates it as the > point-of-sale software he is running a YUGE nasty K-L-U-G-E. >

11 year old server!

2025-02-22 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
Hi All, I just visited a customer I had designed a Fedora 30 server. That makes the computer eleven years old! I do not dare upgrade or even install updates it as the point-of-sale software he is running a YUGE nasty K-L-U-G-E. The server is works well still. He does not want to go with a new