Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-23 Thread les
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Tuesday 22 March 2011 03:37:15 Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 03/21/2011 05:49 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > Apparently Nero Wolfe is willing to make contact with > > > the expression "begs the question" :-). > > > > If you read it carefully, y

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread JB
Genes MailLists sapience.com> writes: > ... > Agreed - I find it best to simply ignore or perma block certain > things/individuals ... even your current subject understates the > OT'icness > ... Then you miss a lot; btw, every body is guilty of delivering some of that fun occasionally. US re

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 07:18 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Wolfe was saying that the first response was begging the question, so > he'd try again to get the information he wanted by rephrasing his > question. And I'm used to seeing "begging the question" in a different context. Someone makes some rem

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 08:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Even more OT: since we're talking about English grammar and > orthography, there are certain errors that tend to crop up on this > list (and on others of course), to wit: > > 1) This looks like an error? > 2) How do I do this. That

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Genes MailLists
On 03/22/2011 05:45 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > >> After all as the subject indicates it is: [WAYYY OT] > > Yeah - big waste of bandwidth - but only my opinion - we have lots to > deal with to sort out real Fedora issues after all! > Agre

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > After all as the subject indicates it is: [WAYYY OT] Yeah - big waste of bandwidth - but only my opinion - we have lots to deal with to sort out real Fedora issues after all! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 14:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 21:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > 1) Does this look like an error? > > > 2) How do I do this? > > > > When viewed as single sentences what you've said makes sense. > > > > However, when viewed as part of a l

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:03 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:47:16 + > mike cloaked wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > > wrote: > > > > > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > > > > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. >

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 20:47 +, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. > > 2) ¿Vamos a comer? -- Are we going to eat? > > > > In fact I know from obser

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:47:16 + mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. > > 2) ¿Vamos a comer? -- Are we going to eat? > > > > In fact I know from obs

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. > 2) ¿Vamos a comer? -- Are we going to eat? > > In fact I know from observation that some question forms can be hard for > non-native speakers to

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 21:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > 1) Does this look like an error? > > 2) How do I do this? > > When viewed as single sentences what you've said makes sense. > > However, when viewed as part of a larger piece of work the sentence > "This looks like an error?" may indeed be

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 14:36 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > 1) Does this look like an error? > > 2) How do I do this? > > Just a small comment wrt. error 1 --- I was actually surprised to find > out that > in some languages the statement and the question have exactly the same > form, > the onl

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/22/2011 10:36 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > I was actually surprised to find out that > in some languages the statement and the question have exactly the same form, > the only difference being the question mark vs. period at the end of the > sentence. You may also be interested to know tha

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 13:17:59 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 23:13 +1030, Tim wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > > > Or, if you want a less wordy answer: > > > > The

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 12:41:29 Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > "That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a > > basis?" > > > > is correct usage, while > > > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > >

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 03:34 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > If I assume that the "I'll try again." sentence in the middle is > irrelevant in this context, the only difference I see is comma vs. period. > > So, all in all, are you actually complaining about punctuation usage? You assume incorrectly. Wolfe wa

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/22/2011 09:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Even more OT: since we're talking about English grammar and orthography, > there are certain errors that tend to crop up on this list (and on > others of course), to wit: > > 1) This looks like an error? > 2) How do I do this. > > Sadly, they are

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 23:13 +1030, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > > Or, if you want a less wordy answer: > > The words "That begs the question" are not part of the question that's > bei

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" Or, if you want a less wordy answer: The words "That begs the question" are not part of the question that's being asked (why do they think it has a basis?). The question ha

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > "That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a > basis?" > > is correct usage, while > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > is incorrect. If I assume that the "I'll try again." senten

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 03:37:15 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/21/2011 05:49 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > Apparently Nero Wolfe is willing to make contact with > > the expression "begs the question" :-). > > If you read it carefully, you'll see that he's not misusing it; he's > pointing out that whoever

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/21/2011 05:49 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Apparently Nero Wolfe is willing to make contact with > the expression "begs the question" :-). If you read it carefully, you'll see that he's not misusing it; he's pointing out that whoever Whipple is referring to as "they" are assuming that "it has

[WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-21 Thread Tom Horsley
>From "Right to Die": Whipple: "They think it has a basis, but it hasn't." Wolfe: "That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a basis?" Whipple: "Because I was there. Because she and I - we were friends. Because she was white and I'm