(I meant this to got to the whole list, not just Jeff)
> -- Original Message --
> From: WILLIAM MATTISON
> To: noloa...@gmail.com
> Date: 04/12/2025 8:52 PM EDT
> Subject: Re: unable to get Fedora login screen.
>
>
> > On 04/12/2025 8:19 P
Good afternoon,
Resuming from yesterday afternoon...
This afternoon, a friend brought me a F41 live USB. I am able to boot it.
Firefox works, but seems prone to crashing. I tried to do the Fedora install
from the live USB. Both I and my friend were very soon lost, and did not know
how to pro
Replying from old iPad…
All 4 grub options…
Console login results in immediate return to console login. That happens
regardless of which user I log in as, including root and the admin account.
Can no longer boot windows-7. Shows error message for < 1 sec and then bios
comes up, followed by gr
Thanks to guidance from Samuel Sieb in another thread, I'm now able to get a
log relating to this problem. It's posted here:
"https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/UmtcWch07hlEUUJ60vqIyA";
A few more notes...
This problem occurs much more often with two e-mail addresses than with my
other four,
That worked. Thank-you Samuel. The log is here:
"https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/07xQurGCBVjXYes1PUleiw";
I'll add that this bug is partially random. I only see the problem (and other
problems) on messages with attachments. But the problem does not always show
up on messages with attach
> What I was suggesting...
KSysGuard shows that yahoo feeds data to Thunderbird in very teeny chunks. A
message with an attached photo took about an hour to download yesterday. I
also access my e-mail from multiple workstation accounts and operating systems.
So some time ago, I set all my e-
> I saved that [etc.]
That does work.
> ... Try closing ...
cough gag cough cough choke gag cough
On March 06, I started a thread titled "Thunderbird issue (OT).". I never saw
any replies. The problem remains completely unsolved. Actually, it's now
worse! I've experienced that probl
ok, I figured out how to get the message into the Fedora paste site. It can be
viewed here:
"https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/LvQNrf-2pwpvnXbWWxOmow";.
thanks,
Bill.
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I saved the "View source" window contents as a text file. What is now the best
way to get that file onto Fedora's paste bin? Last time I tried that (last
summer), it didn't work well. Making the whole message available might be
better than me trying to guess what would be helpful in diagnosin
Patrick,
I am using the "fedora HYPERKITTY" web interface for all my posts to this
thread. But the e-mail address for my Fedora users list is a yahoo e-mail
address.
Bill.
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> The header looks fine and there should be 33KB of content. When you
> view source do you see the message body?
yes. In "View source", I see 759 lines of stuff. But most looks like
"meta-data", not message body that I would expect to see in the Thunderbird
window. The first blank line is li
Hi Samuel,
Using the "View source" function, here between the lines of '=' is the header
(copied and pasted):
=
X-Apparently-To: mattison.compu...@yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:45:33 +
Return-Path:
Received-SPF: pass (domain of lists.fedoraproject.org designates 209.132.181.2
as permi
h
I did a "View source" on the most recent empty-looking message. Everything is
there. The whole thing is 742 lines long. You want the top how many lines?
Or how would I recognize the end of the header?
What displays in the header area (below the list of messages, above where the
me
Good morning,
Since March 08, I've received 11 messages from this list that appear empty,
including 2 so far today. I have received a few (less) not empty, none today
and 3 yesterday. What's causing this problem, and how do I fix it? My e-mail
client is Thunderbird 52.5.2.
I will occasional
Good morning,
When I try to sign in to a (verizon) yahoo e-mail account via Thunderbird, it
takes several seconds to get a response, then I often get this error message:
--
Thunderbird
The current operation on 'Inbox' did not succeed. The mail server for account
[my e-mail account] responded
The "df" command gives me this:
-
bash.1[~]: df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs 81749920 8174992 0% /dev
tmpfs818690827688 8159220 1% /dev/shm
tmpfs8186908 1808 8185100 1% /run
tmpfs8186
Good evening,
(f26; Gnome) This past spring, with a lot of help from this list, I replaced
the dying hard drive on my home workstation. But when I use the "disks" tool
to check the health of the new hard drive, smartmontools continues to report
test data from the old drive. I've looked at th
Good morning,
After upgrading to f26, I could no longer print. Some key file (ppi file?) was
gone. After wrestling quite a while with this, I found a print driver (an rpm)
for my Xerox WorkCentre 6015 on the Xerox web site, downloaded it, installed
it, and got it working with help from cups.
(replying to Ed, Samuel, and Patrick)
The upgrade phase (step 7) generated a line of output for each package(?) being
upgraded.
The clean-up phase (step 7) generated a line of output for each upgraded
package(?).
The verify phase (step 7) generated a line of output for each upgraded
package(?).
Hi Samuel,
The f25 to f26 upgrade was done using the instructions here:
"https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade";.
The "post-upgrade tasks" are the ones in the "Optional post-upgrade tasks"
section and the "Resolving post-upgrade issues" section of those instructions.
I completed th
Hi Ed,
The f25 to f26 upgrade was done using the instructions here:
"https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade";.
The boot that seemed to fail (or never finish) was the one that should happen
automatically at the end of step 7. I waited for that boot to finish over 15
minutes after the
The CTRL-ALT3-F3 got me a basic black-and-white login prompt. I logged in as
root, and typed in "startx". I got a bunch of messages, ending with "Please
also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.".
I shut down. I booted up. I got ***no*** screen with the op
Could your "Odd..." have something to do with my submitting the message through
the fedora HYPERKITTY web site rather than e-mailing it through Thunderbird?
I know I wrestled with the graphics card driver some 4 years ago, but I don't
recall whether I switched from nouveau to nVidia or from nVid
I saw those same rectangles in f-25.
I have an NVidia graphics card.
I usually use Gnome, but since the upgrade, I don't even get to the login
screen.
I'll answer your second message separately.
thanks,
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Good afternoon,
I upgraded from f25 to f26 this afternoon. I didn't see any error messages,
but a lot of messages went by very fast. After the verification step was done,
the system automatically rebooted. After the three rectangles separately
brightened and faded, the screen went blank. Af
A quick question
In the Fedora 27 release schedule:
"https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/27/Schedule?rd=Schedule";
there are entries:
"Fedora 27 Final Release (GA) (Target date)"
"Fedora 27 Final Release (GA) (Rain date)"
"Fedora Modular Server 27 Final Release (GA) (Target date)" and
"Fedo
Several months ago, I asked this list about ways of deleting and blocking
ever-cookies. A few list members suggested "CCleaner". Today, I saw an
article in the CNN Finance web site about a security breach at Piriform, the
owner of "CCleaner". I pasted the text of the article below.
I'm not a
Using grub2, I have the ability to boot windows-7 or any of at least 3
different f25 kernels or any of a few rescue-mode f25 kernels. And this
stand-alone workstation has only one hard drive. If I understand correctly
what you're asking, then yes, grub2.
Bill.
Good morning,
(replying to a few messages at once)
> Linux has no viruses.
There are actually *two* reasons for starting this thread. First, to get
advice needed to choose the right "anti-virus" for my home workstation.
Second, I believe that the article that I referenced would be of real in
I observe the delays and apparent freezes both in Fedora and in Windows-7. I
observe them with non-gmail messages/folders, even drafts. I'm using imap.
These suggest that the problem is not with Fedora, but one or more of:
* Thunderbird code that is not OS-specific, and not mail service specif
In a message not showing up in fedora Hyperkitty, Kevin Fenzi suggested:
> Probibly the first stop is the fedora infrastructure issues:
>
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues
>
> From there we can see if it's some local issue or config problem with
> our instance or a bug in the upstre
Yesterday evening, I used the firewall configuration tool to turn off ssh in
the public zone, and then make the the change permanent. I also entered the
commands
* systemctl stop sshd
* systemctl mask sshd
* systemctl stop httpd
* systemctl mask httpd
This evening, I see nothing in the journalct
I've been having a similar experience for many months, but "randomly". I don't
notice the exact wording of Thunderbird's message, but it can take a very long
time (even over an hour) for folders to update, messages to be loaded (even
messages already viewed on previous days and system bootings)
Which is best:
1. completely remove the "video=vesa:off" from the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX line,
or
2. change the "off" to "on" in that line?
I would not be surprised if it could make it significant difference.
The font used in the grub menu and the grub shell has been a good size all
along, and has no
That solved the more important part of the problem. The grub menu has an entry
for the correct, current kernel, and it boots the correct current kernel.
Thank-you, Sam.
On May 19, I started a thread called "ACPI errors (was: f24 boot fails; need
help)". The error messages that I reported the
Today (Saturday), I booted up only once, logged in only once as my primary
common user, and then a short while ago logged in to an different account with
adequate privileges to view the journalctl. With over 12 hours as a common
user, I hoped that searching the journalctl would be simpler. I h
Wow. Hot topic! I view all this here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
In past threads, the oldest messages were at the top, and the newest at the
bottom. Why is it "upside down" in this thread?!
I have skimmed the responses so far. But I've had to f
Good evening,
I did what was advised. Still no change. But I think there is a more
fundamental problem here. The grub on my system came from"Boot-Repair-Disk",
on a live-usb stick, not from any dnf install from a Fedora repository. So if
Fedora's grub is customized or specialized in some wa
> Add the entry
> GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=y
> to the /etc/default/grub file.
That made no difference. Then I did "grub2-mkconfig". Still no difference.
> Try adding the entry
> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
> to the /etc/default/grub file. You might have to play with this a
> little. To examine
Good afternoon,
(f25 home workstation)
While looking at journalctl output yesterday and today for other reasons
(separate thread), I saw many "authentication failure" messages, over half also
saying "user=root". I also saw many "password check failed for user (root)"
messages. I saw many unk
Good afternoon,
I found the login attempts in the journalctl output, though it isn't easy.
I'll open a new thread to address what this is really about.
Before the hard drive replacement, the grub menu showed the three most recent
Fedora patches, then something like "Advanced options for Fedora
Good evening,
I believe Stan is correct. I built this system 4+ years ago. At that time, it
was my understanding that to get a windows-7 and Fedora dual-boot system, I had
to install windows-7 first. I think that at that time, windows-7 did not
support UEFI. Though I did not explicitly make
(replying to all three messages)
When I boot, the bios display says it is UEFI. Am I mis-understanding what
that means? Am I mis-using the term?
My /boot directory has only two sub-directories: "grub" and "grub2", no
sub-directory "efi".
Each of the two sub-directories has a file called "gru
I think you're probably right on both counts. I thought so before my Thursday
night post, but really thought it best to check with the experts.
thanks,
Bill.
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It's believed that the main problems were i-node problems identified by "fsck"
during boot. The first time, they were on sda6; the second time, they were on
sda7.
A few follow-up questions about the hard drive... I used the long but
non-destructive test options of both "badblocks" and "smartc
I did my weekly patches this afternoon, and this time the system booted up
fine. So I'm back to what caused the problems.
* Motherboard battery? Quite unlikely, but not 100% certain. Battery replaced
anyway.
* Hard drive? Somewhat unlikely. Two 4-hour non-destructive disk checks found
no is
The smartctl long test took about 4 hours (I think!). I wish it would notify
me when it was actually finished! As best as I could tell (by using "smartctl
-l error /dev/sda", it found no problems.
thanks,
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While changing the motherboard battery yesterday (Friday), most cables were
disconnected and then later re-connected. That included the hard drive
connection to the motherboard. I also disconnected and reconnected both the
power cable and the data cable where they plug in to the hard drive its
According to the man page, the "-n" option is non-destructive; the "-w" option
is what you described.
Regardless, it's too long.
Bill.
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Well, the battery has been replaced this afternoon. It took between 2 and 2
1/2 hours. The system seems to be functioning ok so far, but I haven't yet
booted up in windows-7, and I haven't yet tried a "dnf upgrade".
Before I took the system apart, I checked the CMOS clock and the voltages
rep
I tried badblocks last night. I didn't realize how long it would take. After
over 3 hours, I had to abort it to do something else.
This morning, I retried it, this time with options to show its progress. It
took between 3 1/2 and 3 3/4 hours. Here are the results:
===
bash.3[~]:
> Look up S.M.A.R.T., though be aware that some controllers may not
> co-operate, but that tends to be things like outboard USB interfaces, or
> RAID. Ordinary hard drives plugged straight into the motherboard are
> likely to be checkable. It's the hard drive, itself, that checks its
> health an
I did "smartctl --all /dev/sda > smartctl_out.txt". I got over 200 lines of
output. The most recent error reported in the output file is this one:
===
Error 66 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 13741 hours (572 days + 13 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, th
I wasn't fully convinced these problems are due to the battery. That's why I
listed the four things I found "odd". On the other hand, I recall hearing and
reading that the output of lithium batteries is almost flat (better than any
other type of battery), but then very quickly drops (faster th
Good evening,
Hardware problems have seriously tied me up for about a week now. My apologies
for my silence on this topic. The hardware issue is not really fixed yet. I
likely will be forced off-line again for several days to a few weeks. If I'm
not responding; assume that that's what's hap
My friend was here earlier tonight. The command was "fsck /dev/sda6" (no
options). He also said he's seen this kind of thing before.
Bill.
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Thank-you Sam and Rick.
For the next 2 questions, I'm not looking for numerical answers. Qualitative
probability terms on a scale going from "highly improbably" to "almost
certainly" would be great.
The clock (and the CMOS battery) got some attention while trying to fix the
boot problem. I h
1. For several weeks, I've been seeing text fly by early during the boot
process, before the blue and white line grows left to right at the bottom of
the screen. But the text scrolls by too fast and disappears too fast for me to
catch more than an isolated word or two. I also had no idea how t
After groping through papers in a moving box, I found the user's guide for the
motherboard. Amazing: something I kept actually proved useful! It's a ASUS
Sabertooth Z77, bought in early 2013. Well, no index, no mention of battery in
the table of contents. I skimmed through once, no hint of b
You're right.
I should see my friend sometime next week or two. He wants me to help him
practice his cloud computing paper before he presents it at some conference.
(He's an international student.) I'll ask him about the fsck options then.
Bill.
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Well, as you yourself said in an earlier post on this topic, " Memory is the
second thing to go, but I can't remember the first!"! You are almost certainly
correct - it was "fsck", not "fdisk". I just typed the wrong thing into my
posting. Another "senior moment".
> This isn't a black art
> It isn't home you want to mount, it's /, the root filesystem.
I wanted /home as a place to copy log files to so I could then access them from
the windows box. I originally wanted to copy them to a USB stick, but I
couldn't get that to work.
I didn't know workstations nowadays had batteries.
I have three active versions of f24 - the 3 most recent weekly patches. All
three fail the same way and drop me into the dracut mode. I didn't know I had
a rescue mode until some long-time IT friend suggested it to me last Friday.
It wasn't obvious in the grub menu. It actually proved helpfu
I don't have a LiveUSB, and I get the impression it would take hours to make
one. This incident teaches me that once I get the system back on its feet, and
I've upgraded to f25, I'll want to make one. About how long should it take?
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From what I've seen in the website you referenced, and what I posted here
earlier today, it seems similar to what you experienced, but not identical. It
seems fsck says something is wrong with one of the partitions. Take a look.
Feel free to chime in along with the others.
Thank-you.
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Finally, I hope, a few useful clues. Rescue mode gave me enough information to
make a lucky guess as to how to mount "/home" from within the dracut shell.
With that, I could try the boot again (which of course failed and dropped me
into the dracut shell), and then mount "/home", and then copy
Good afternoon.
I've wrestled with this for some 3(?) days now. I'm still stuck.
I did find a "rescue" mode, and I was able to get in to it. But it didn't
really help.
Two IT grad students came and tried to help, but couldn't.
In the rescue mode, I tried to use "fdisk" to get the device ID fo
Good evening,
Based on what y'all said, I'd say I'm in a "dracut shell". I cannot reach any
login whatsoever, using any of the techniques y'all suggested.
The "/var/log/" directory is empty.
There is no "/var/cache/" directory.
The directory "/usr/bin/" does not have many things in it. It do
All three fedora versions in the grub menu appear to yield the same results.
So whatever the "dnf upgrade" did, it affected all three. The windows-7 boot
still works (this is a dual boot system, a desktop).
My camera died over a year ago, and I have no portable devices. Having been
unemploye
(I'm replying to the entire discussion as of Wednesday evening US Mountain
time.)
I'm now wondering if evercookies can really be fully blocked. I do want to
block what I reasonably can. But as was pointed out, a lot of wanted web
functionality needs cookies. So now I'm mainly focused on gett
Hi all,
Two questions about "evercookies". I think this could be useful to others in
this forum as well as to me.
1. On my home Fedora-23 (updated weekly) workstation, how do I find and truly,
fully, permanently get rid of whatever evercookies might be on my system? If
y'all don't mind, I'd
Thank-you for the explanation. Yes, I'm the same person. I tried what you
suggested. You're right. It works. Thank-you, Samuel.
Bill.
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I finally found time to do some more of this. (Samuel: I'm looking to go the
pepper flash player + freshplayer route, not the old flash route.)
First I looked in the places that I trust most. I used Fedora's "apper" to
look for Chrome, Chromium, pepper, and freshplayer in the Fedora and rpmfus
I was wrong about the National Weather Service weather RADAR pages. When I
click a "Loop" button, the display shows a message "A plugin is needed to
display this content." message. I used Firefox's "Inspect Element" function,
and what I see includes this:
followed by a small gray-filled
The message I'm replying to was intended to be the closure of the thread
"application to listen to on-line broadcasts?", but I failed to put the "Re: "
at the beginning of the subject line. My apologies. On to the new thread that
I intended to create...
1. I've encountered several websites th
Neither VLC nor Amarok seem to come with Fedora. But late last night, I found
VLC with "apper" and downloaded it. I got it to work for the two radio
stations. It did not help with "Pipedreams". (By the way, Pipedreams is *not*
a radio station.) Now this morning, the buttons on the second li
Joe says:
> If it helps, I don't have either a /dev/dev or a /root/.readahead.
> However, I'm running F19 on my desktop, with Xfce, although I never use
> a GUI as root. I also don't have rkhunter installed, so that might be
> significant.
The file is not "/root/.readahead". The mystery file
Joe asks:
> > And I did "fedup --network 20".
>
> Have you run the upgrade yet?
Yes, I did that Monday afternoon. I did not watch it continually, but I saw no
indication of trouble until the boot screen came up with no Fedora-20.
Important question... Given my answer above, is what Chris advi
Good afternoon,
Rick Stevens wrote:
> Yeah, that's typically the driver having issues or memory problems.
> Next, we need to see if you're running the nvidia or nouveau drivers.
> You can look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and see which driver is
> loaded. Alternately, try (as root):
>
> l
Good afternoon,
I ran the memtest86+; it passed - 100%.
I'm curious: is there a way to test the gpu? If yes, how?
> That's the one. So it's an nVidia GeForce GTX660.
> Yeah, that's typically the driver having issues or memory problems.
> Next, we need to see if you're running the nvidia or nou
Good afternoon,
Rick Stevens wrote...
> Need a lot more info:
>
> Make and model of computer
> Video card type (nVidia, Intel, ATI, etc.)
> Memory size
> Disk size and type
>
> You can (as root) run "dmidecode" and "lspci" from the command line
> and include that with your response. We can then t
Good afternoon,
This is Fedora-19 on a 64 bit quad-core i7; with an Nvidia GEFORCE GTX 660. I
most recently updated Fedora last Wednesday, Sept. 04.
At least once each day, the system just locks up with no advanced warning or
symptoms. It just stops responding to the trackball and keystrokes.
Good evening,
> > Problem: That progress bar shows no progress. I checked task usage of
> > CPU, and CPU usage of Brasero is negligible. Even after many minutes,
> > nothing seems to happen. What am I not doing that I should do, and/or
> > doing that I should not do?
>
> Sorry, I don't have a
Good afternoon,
I'm using Fedora-18 (updated last Wednesday) on a 64-bit system. The desktop
is Gnome (updated last Wednesday). This is about Brasero 3.6.1.
After putting together the project, that is, listing all the tracks I want
burned onto a music CD, I click the "Burn..." button. Up com
(Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops)
On my old Redhat-9 system, I had this great tool "xv" which I used quite often
to "colorize" raw weather satellite images. It made doing that very easy,
especially with the three GUIs that let me graphically vary the red, green, and
blue intensities independen
Good morning,
>(Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops)
>
>I have two 27-inch monitors on my system. Occasionally, I "lose" the cursor.
>(ok, who's that that I hear snickering out there?!) I recall years ago (two
>jobs ago) on the Unix system at work, we had a tool called "xeyes" which
>amounted t
(Fedora-18; 64-bit; all desktops)
I have two 27-inch monitors on my system. Occasionally, I "lose" the cursor.
(ok, who's that that I hear snickering out there?!) I recall years ago (two
jobs ago) on the Unix system at work, we had a tool called "xeyes" which
amounted to a pair of eyes which
> I'm pretty sure the ps versus pdf is just the way the print job
> is handed to the driver that converts it to whatever the
> printer actually needs.
>
> Certainly my Brother HL-2040 doesn't print postscript of
> any kind natively, it needs HP PCL. My Epson Artisan doesn't
> even use a native dri
> I think that change is just an internal detail cups cares about.
>
> I've been just copying my /etc/cups/ppd/ files from one fedora to the
> next for years now and printing keeps working (and seemed to work
> in fedora 19 beta as well).
Thank-you for your comments, Tom.
Did any of those change
I see in the Fedora-19 release notes that CUPS will be upgraded to 1.6. The
page on that:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/CUPS1.6
says this involves using pdf rather than postscript as the baseline document
format. While wrestling to get printing working on my system this past spring,
> You might want to open a bugzilla with Xerox to fix the way they build their
> libraries, with PIC flags.
Done. The second line engineer gave me the sense that it's very unlikely that
they will implement the requested fix. He said that Fedora and Redhat each
account for less than 0.1% of t
Hi Daniel,
> You might want to open a bugzilla with Xerox to fix the way they build their
> libraries, with PIC flags.
I looked and searched the Xerox web site. I found neither Bugzilla nor any
other bug-reporting page/link. How do I do as you suggest?
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> When I try to print anything out, I get no printout. Even a test page does
> not come out.
> But no indication of trouble shows up on the monitor, and no indication of
> trouble on the
> printer's display. I did
> When I try to print anything out, I get no printout. Even a test page does
> not come out.
> But no indication of trouble shows up on the monitor, and no indication of
> trouble on the
> printer's display. I did download and install the driver. cups gives no
> hint of trouble that I
> reco
> From: William Mattison
>To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org"
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:03 PM
>Subject: how to make user account partially bi-lingual?
>(Fedora-18; all desktops)
>
>A user needs all
>* menu entries, buttons, prompts, messages, app
>Where did you say you got the PPD for this device? Are you running 64bit or
>32bit Fedora? Does libcups.so.2 exist on the system
>anywhere?
I do not know what a "PPD" is. Whatever I got specifically for this device
must have come from the Xerox device driver RPM for this device which I
do
> Also, the line:
>
> May 13 16:26:14 c-69-138-198-76 cupsd[625]: p11-kit: couldn't open
>
> config file: /root/.pkcs11/pkcs11.conf: Permission denied
>
> from your lpstat output may not be causing a problem, but you should
> address it anyway because until you do you won't know if it's part
> Do you see any errors in /var/log/messages pertaining to cups? Does
> "lpstat -t" show the printer and is it enabled?
>
> Kevin
Here's what I have/get, right after re-booting and trying an "lp" command:
[root@c-69-138-198-76 ~]# cd /var/log
[root@c-69-138-198-76 log]# lpstat -t
scheduler i
Good morning,
> From: William Mattison
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:33 AM
> Subject: no printout, but no other hint of error. F18.
>
> Hi,
>
> When I try to print anything out, I get no printout. Even a test page do
@fedoraproject.org",
though a lot less today. It was really bad a few days ago. Could Yahoo e-mail
subscribers' responses to all those "nobody" messages be what caused Yahoo to
bounce messages - based on "fedoraproject.org".
Bill.
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