On Jan 11, 2022, at 17:14, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>
> In a GUI such as a desktop the situation is more complicated:
>
> - the GUI startup does not automatically run a login shell (to some
> extend because interaction or mistakes can then easily break the GUI
> startup).
It’s actually a lot
George N. White III writes:
> Much of Fedora is user developed. So this need not be the case. It is
> clear from what I read over in Xfce-land that better tools are needed.
> Probably to even better migrate Gnome and KDE to Wayland.
>
> This is a bigger change than systemd and
On 1/11/22 05:18, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I use the Windows 10 generally. I briefly poked the tires on the
current, default Gnome desktop in Ubuntu, last year. There were some
claims that Windows is moving closer to Gnome's UI paradigms, but I just
didn't see that. Perhaps that was referring to
Maybe. You might also check messages for MCE and/or machine check and
see. I have seen PCI errors on my SAS2008 when doing high io so I assume
the same thing could happen if the video card was doing high traffic. I
removed all of the cards, cleaned the connectors on the cards, and vacuumed
ou
On 11Jan2022 15:32, linux guy wrote:
>Comments below. Thanks for such a comprehensive answer.
>- when you start a terminal it may or may not run a login shell; this
>> can be controlled with the settings for your terminal emulator. What
>> are you using?
>
>Konsole. According to its settings
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 17:15, linux guy wrote:
> I'm trying to add a few directories to PATH in F35. I'm embarrassed to
> admit it isn't going well.
>
Don't be embarrassed, Managing the PATH has problematic since UNIX was a
teenager, as evidenced
by the date in the following publication (allowi
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 18:39, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz writes:
>
> > On 1/11/22 07:15, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> >>
> >> Sadly, I expect that Fedora at some point will become exclusively Gnome
> and
> >> KDE, because only these stacks will support Wayland, in order to ditch
> X,
>
Robert Moskowitz writes:
On 1/11/22 07:15, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Sadly, I expect that Fedora at some point will become exclusively Gnome and
KDE, because only these stacks will support Wayland, in order to ditch X,
and also target the same userbase. This won't happen anytime soon, but it
Comments below. Thanks for such a comprehensive answer.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:13 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 11Jan2022 14:15, linux guy wrote:
> >I'm trying to add a few directories to PATH in F35. I'm embarrassed to
> >admit it isn't going well.
> >
> >Where is PATH stored in F35 ?
>
On 11/01/2022 23.57, Roger Heflin wrote:
Well, usually a real hardware error (uncorrectable memory MCE, or CPU
memory MCE, or PCI MCE) will cause an immediate reset (no reset button
needed).
That error could be a result of the reset button being pressed, and
Looks like it was the reset. Whil
I should have included some context:
The mobo is a Gigabyte Z390 UD
The CPU is Intel Core i7-9700 LGA1151
The firmware is the one originally on it, F8. It was not upgraded
because it was noted that with the newer
F9 fw the sensor chip (ITE IT8688E) does not work with the it87 mod
On 12/01/2022 05:15, linux guy wrote:
I'm trying to add a few directories to PATH in F35. I'm embarrassed to admit
it isn't going well.
Where is PATH stored in F35 ?
When exactly does .bash_profile get executed ?
How does one get the bash environment reloaded without logging out and logging
On 11Jan2022 14:15, linux guy wrote:
>I'm trying to add a few directories to PATH in F35. I'm embarrassed to
>admit it isn't going well.
>
>Where is PATH stored in F35 ?
In your processes' memory. Unhelpful. But it is _initialised_ by your
login sequence. Yes, being pedantic here.
>When exactl
On 12/01/2022 01:30, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be not
enough.
$ free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 7380668 6930852 2626761492 187140 221144
Swap:
On 1/11/22 17:00, linux guy wrote:
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:56 PM Robert Moskowitz
wrote:
In a couple days, I will see the swap usage grow. Until I Quit
firefox,
then restart with all the old windows opening.
But I really never exit Firefox unless forced to.
TabSessio
if it is not installed, dnf install earlyoom.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 4:04 PM Roger Heflin wrote:
>
> You can go into the firefox about:config and reduce the number of
> threads to less. Too many threads seem to make the ram creep worse.
>
> ps axuww | sort -k 6n
>
> I have earlyoom taking care
You can go into the firefox about:config and reduce the number of
threads to less. Too many threads seem to make the ram creep worse.
ps axuww | sort -k 6n
I have earlyoom taking care of killing as needed.
in /etc/default/earlyoom I have this set:
EARLYOOM_ARGS="-s 90,90 -r 300 -m 2 --prefer '^
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:56 PM Robert Moskowitz
wrote:
> In a couple days, I will see the swap usage grow. Until I Quit firefox,
> then restart with all the old windows opening.
>
> But I really never exit Firefox unless forced to.
>
TabSessionManager is your friend. Look for it in AddOns.
W
On 1/11/22 16:51, Roger Heflin wrote:
If you have too many tabs open on some badly behaved websites firefox
will eat all of your ram.
Yep. What I live with.
Thunderbird also seems strange.
weather.com is a good one, leave it setting for a few days open and
that tab will use up the ram. I
I have 75 Windows with 550 tabs. Across 5 desktops and 4 activities. My
machine has 64GB of RAM. It is always responsive.
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top -b -n 1 > top.txt
Not sure why the CPU% ages are so high. Webpages normally take only a 10%
or so per page.
GeckoMain = FF main thread.
Isolated Web C0 = various web pages.
top - 14:55:15 up 6 days, 16:01, 10 users, load average: 5.78, 6.13, 3.77
Tasks: 538 total, 1 running, 537 sleeping
I have 18 instances of Firefox running. All with multiple tabs for
different projects. I use top a lot, but only with defaults and don't
see from the manpage how to sort by RSS. Here is a 'simple' copy of top:
Tasks: 266 total, 2 running, 264 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 17.4
Firefox uses a lot of RAM if you have a lot of windows/tabs open.
Another way to see how much memory FF is using is to do an
about:performance in the URL field.
A bare minimum hardware spec for me these days is 16GB of RAM. I purchased
a laptop this summer and bumped that to 32 GB. My desktop
If you have too many tabs open on some badly behaved websites firefox
will eat all of your ram.
weather.com is a good one, leave it setting for a few days open and
that tab will use up the ram. It seems ok on my bigger machines
(32gb) but is a real issue on the machine with 10gb.
My 10gb ram mac
What on earth are you doing in Firefox and Thunderbird to use that
swap? I have multiple 8GB machines running the same Fedora, Firefox and
Thunderbird, and virtually never get into swap at all. Two the these
machines are also Lenovo. This makes no sense, so there must be
something else hoggi
For root run GUI apps in KDE, I use kdesu.
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 2:32 PM Cameron Simpson wrote:
> I used to maintain a small fleet of RedHat servers, and had a couple of
> scripts for package comparison:
>
Thanks for the reply.
I took a closer look at the use cases on my laptop and my workstation and
decided against keeping them sync'
I'm trying to add a few directories to PATH in F35. I'm embarrassed to
admit it isn't going well.
Where is PATH stored in F35 ?
When exactly does .bash_profile get executed ?
How does one get the bash environment reloaded without logging out and
logging in ? $source ? $exec bash ? ./bash ?
Looks like more memory is "well" supported:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/X140e-Review-and-Upgrade-Information-WLAN-WWAN-Memory-HDD/m-p/1931897
So 16GB for ~$90. Going to have to figure out the best good deal on
2x*GB memory.
And look at 32GB options.
But also look
Making some assumptions about your requirements:
1. Make sure xauth is installed
2. Your DISPLAY environment variable is likely: ":0" - just verify it is set
3. Run the command: "xauth list"
4. Copy the line that has "/unix:", all three parts
5. Use su - or sudo to get an interactive session for a
On 1/11/22 10:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Kludge I have used for some apps, notably my file browser to run as root
is to:
in Terminal su -
run app from prompt with & to release it from Terminal.
Kind of works.
I use Xfce and have this one liner to run Thunar as root:
beesu - thunar
Thi
On 11/01/2022 17:32, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 1/11/22 12:23, lejeczek via users wrote:
Hi guys.
How do you get your Firefox to run/work with different user?
I'm thinking obvious - sudo, su - kind of 'runas' with
windows OS.
Kludge I have used for some apps, notably my file browser
to
On 1/11/22 12:23, lejeczek via users wrote:
Hi guys.
How do you get your Firefox to run/work with different user?
I'm thinking obvious - sudo, su - kind of 'runas' with windows OS.
Kludge I have used for some apps, notably my file browser to run as root
is to:
in Terminal su -
run app fr
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be
not enough.
$ free
total used free shared buff/cache
available
Mem: 7380668 6930852 262676 1492 187140 221144
Swap: 24157176 12044096 12113080
Fi
Hi guys.
How do you get your Firefox to run/work with different user?
I'm thinking obvious - sudo, su - kind of 'runas' with
windows OS.
many thanks, L
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 09:20, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 1/11/22 07:15, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > Tim via users writes:
> >
> >> Tim:
> >> >> I find this just crazy. Why should just the desktop interface
> >> >> require a beefy graphics card? I use Mate because of that
> >> >> silliness.
If it is intel microcode (ucode), then one would need to replace the
intel ucode for that specific cpu in the firmware directory that
contains it.
The last 2-3 years of ucode fixes on older cpus were for the various
memory bleed bugs where one user could snoop root's and other users
data.And i
On 1/11/22 07:15, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Tim via users writes:
Tim:
>> I find this just crazy. Why should just the desktop interface
>> require a beefy graphics card? I use Mate because of that
>> silliness.
Samuel Sieb:
> It doesn't need to be beefy. Pretty much any video card made in th
George N. White III writes:
One advantage of linux is that you can choose a UI you like and stick with
it for years. Complaining that Gnome is horrible only serves to trash the
reputation of linux and linux users. What would be more helpful is some
insight into use cases (e.g., ancient hardwa
On 1/11/22 04:53, Tim via users wrote:
Tim:
If a graphical user interface needs instructions to be usable, it's
failed in its creation. The whole point of having such an
interface is that you can see what's on offer, and how to use it.
Samuel Sieb:
Are you trying to tell me that if I gave a
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 07:16, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:
> I just had the system lock-up hard, requiring hitting the reset button.
>
> I now see in the system log:
>
> Jan 11 19:28:54 e7 kernel: BERT: Error records from previous boot:
> Jan 11 19:28:54 e7 kernel: [Hardware Error]: event severity: fat
Well, usually a real hardware error (uncorrectable memory MCE, or CPU
memory MCE, or PCI MCE) will cause an immediate reset (no reset button
needed).
That error could be a result of the reset button being pressed, and
not really a hardware error. I work with enterprise vendors hw and
they classi
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 01:57, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 1/10/22 19:10, Tim via users wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-01-10 at 14:07 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >> Gnome really isn't intended for those systems anyway. Gnome-shell
> >> requires a reasonable 3d-capable video card to run well. I have a
> >>
I'd be happy if the package didn't die and was updated at least from
time to time.
I did an initial configuration based on what I liked and I don't
expect to to change it for months.
I'm personally not looking into the latest features but rather
stability of what I already have.
❯ rpm -qa | grep s
On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 07:15 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Sadly, I expect that Fedora at some point will become exclusively
> Gnome and
> KDE, because only these stacks will support Wayland, in order to
> ditch X,
> and also target the same userbase. This won't happen anytime soon,
> but it
Tim via users writes:
Tim:
>> I find this just crazy. Why should just the desktop interface
>> require a beefy graphics card? I use Mate because of that
>> silliness.
Samuel Sieb:
> It doesn't need to be beefy. Pretty much any video card made in the
> last 10 years should work. Since the ca
Samuel Sieb writes:
On 1/10/22 17:38, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Someone who's already used traditional desktop environments, with desktop
shortcut icons, a taskbar (on top or the bottom), with something that looks
like a "Start" menu, a tray, a pager, and a few other familiar UI icons –
someo
I just had the system lock-up hard, requiring hitting the reset button.
I now see in the system log:
Jan 11 19:28:54 e7 kernel: BERT: Error records from previous boot:
Jan 11 19:28:54 e7 kernel: [Hardware Error]: event severity: fatal
Jan 11 19:28:54 e7 kernel: [Hardware Error]: Error 0, type:
Tim:
>> I find this just crazy. Why should just the desktop interface
>> require a beefy graphics card? I use Mate because of that
>> silliness.
Samuel Sieb:
> It doesn't need to be beefy. Pretty much any video card made in the
> last 10 years should work. Since the capability is there, why n
Tim:
>> If a graphical user interface needs instructions to be usable, it's
>> failed in its creation. The whole point of having such an
>> interface is that you can see what's on offer, and how to use it.
Samuel Sieb:
> Are you trying to tell me that if I gave a system running Mate to
> someone
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