Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Thomas Dineen
Kevin: Decaf! On 3/12/2020 7:55 PM, Kevin Becker wrote: Could we all just try to stop with the "clever" snarky nonsense and keep the list positive and on topic? If you dislike fedora, then feel free to try something else. If you have constructive criticism, share it. If you just want to bick

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Kevin Becker
Could we all just try to stop with the "clever" snarky nonsense and keep the list positive and on topic? If you dislike fedora, then feel free to try something else. If you have constructive criticism, share it. If you just want to bicker and argue about who killed who then maybe take it to anot

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Thomas Dineen
"dude, GO HOME and tell that your barber !" Not only do you have quality problems, you have lost your sense of humor, and that is way worse than buggy software. Maybe a transplant? BTW: Saying that your better than Windows is not saying much! Well there is always CentOS, Ubuntu,... Thoma

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread home user
(On Wed, 2020-03-11 at 4:31 PM, Christopher wrote) > I am just curious why people stay on old versions of > Fedora like say FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? I'm one of those people. Several years ago, I worked for a contractor for the US National Weather Service.  I worked on software called AW

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread sixpack13
On 13.03.20 01:34, Thomas Dineen wrote: "Fedora users aren't "customers", we're essentially beta testers." Having been an observer here since the beginning of Fedora: I would say more victims than Beta Testers! Where are the Gas Ovens located these days? Thomas Dineen what a bullshit ! obse

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Thomas Dineen
"Fedora users aren't "customers", we're essentially beta testers." Having been an observer here since the beginning of Fedora: I would say more victims than Beta Testers! Where are the Gas Ovens located these days? Thomas Dineen On 3/12/2020 2:03 PM, Doug Wyatt wrote: Fedora users aren't "cu

Re: prep. for upgrade.

2020-03-12 Thread home user
(On 03/11/2020 3:59 PM, I wrote) > > Actually, I just noticed there's a dropdown... > I missed that.  ...  I'll try that tomorrow afternoon > after the weekly patches.  That's probably what I'm looking for. The first few tries failed.  In two cases, the system didn't even shut down properly aft

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Christopher Marlow
Wow this post / question turned into a hate fest quite quickly. < Lol > Chris ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject

Re: problem with gimp while attempting to upgrade from f30 to f31 [Next]

2020-03-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-03-13 00:22, François Patte wrote: > Thank You! That's done the trick. > > Why are these modules installed and activated? It is the first time I > have encounter this problem. gimp is a module in F31.  And, I'm guessing, a package in the the others was installed at some point. This issue

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Doug Wyatt via users
Fedora users aren't "customers", we're essentially beta testers. On 3/12/2020 3:34 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: > Gentle People: > > "I don't think your opinion is really necessary here" > > My god what a ridiculus thing to say! P.S. I am thinking > > something much worse! > > Quality is in the ey

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Thomas Dineen
Gentle People: "I don't think your opinion is really necessary here" Its those dammed annoying customer complaints again! If you have customers (Users) you will have customer complaints. I am vehemently against the practice of having customers! Thomas Dineen On 3/12/2020 1:34 PM, Thomas Di

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Thomas Dineen
Gentle People: "I don't think your opinion is really necessary here" My god what a ridiculus thing to say! P.S. I am thinking something much worse! Quality is in the eye of the User (Customer)! If the customer says you have a quality problem, *then you have a quality problem**.* FIX IT! P

RE: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread willw
From: Neil Thompson Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:09 PM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade) Ralf, With all due respect (i.e. none) I don't think your opinion is really necessary here - you've made your feeling

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread sixpack13
On 12.03.20 20:08, Neil Thompson wrote: Ralf, With all due respect (i.e. none) I don't think your opinion is really necessary here - you've made your feelings clear over the last long while and I have to wonder what the heck you're still doing here if you hate the whole thing so much.  Surely

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Neil Thompson
Ralf, With all due respect (i.e. none) I don't think your opinion is really necessary here - you've made your feelings clear over the last long while and I have to wonder what the heck you're still doing here if you hate the whole thing so much. Surely there's another distribution that meets your

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 3/12/20 5:10 PM, sixpack13 wrote: On 12.03.20 14:05, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 3/11/20 11:31 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote: I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? Upgrading Fedora is a bit like "installing Win10" updates. That s

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Neil Thompson
Sorted out and working properly. I have no problem admitting I'm letting other people do the hard work now. I've done my time. On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 19:36, sixpack13 wrote: > On 12.03.20 17:29, Neil Thompson wrote: > > I generally wait a month or so before upgrading, just to make sure that >

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread sixpack13
On 12.03.20 17:29, Neil Thompson wrote: I generally wait a month or so before upgrading, just to make sure that everything on the additional repos is sorted out. sorted out from whom ? you're screw if everybody waits. Hopefully one helps sorting with release+1 in an VM or so => quicker sor

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Neil Thompson
I generally wait a month or so before upgrading, just to make sure that everything on the additional repos is sorted out. Having said that, apart from the occasional oddity (like this time I had to uninstall cmake-fedora before upgrading), the cli upgrade process has been pretty much flawless over

Re: problem with gimp while attempting to upgrade from f30 to f31 [Next]

2020-03-12 Thread François Patte
Le 12/03/2020 à 14:45, Ed Greshko a écrit : > On 2020-03-12 21:04, François Patte wrote: >> Le 12/03/2020 à 13:09, Ed Greshko a écrit : >>> On 2020-03-12 18:53, François Patte wrote: Le 12/03/2020 à 11:30, François Patte a écrit : > Bonjour, > > I want to upgrade my f30 system and:

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread sixpack13
On 12.03.20 14:05, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 3/11/20 11:31 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote: I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? Upgrading Fedora is a bit like "installing Win10" updates. That said, I usually wait for a couple of we

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-03-12 at 14:05 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 3/11/20 11:31 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote: > > I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say > > FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? > > Upgrading Fedora is a bit like "installing Win10" updates. I'd say it's almos

Re: problem with gimp while attempting to upgrade from f30 to f31 [Next]

2020-03-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-03-12 21:04, François Patte wrote: > Le 12/03/2020 à 13:09, Ed Greshko a écrit : >> On 2020-03-12 18:53, François Patte wrote: >>> Le 12/03/2020 à 11:30, François Patte a écrit : Bonjour, I want to upgrade my f30 system and: dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --r

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 3/11/20 11:31 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote: I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? Upgrading Fedora is a bit like "installing Win10" updates. That said, I usually wait for a couple of weeks before upgrading, because new Fedora

Re: problem with gimp while attempting to upgrade from f30 to f31 [Next]

2020-03-12 Thread François Patte
Le 12/03/2020 à 13:09, Ed Greshko a écrit : > On 2020-03-12 18:53, François Patte wrote: >> Le 12/03/2020 à 11:30, François Patte a écrit : >>> Bonjour, >>> >>> I want to upgrade my f30 system and: >>> >>> dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=31 >>> >>> Adobe Systems Incorporated

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> Like many others, I have two reasons for not being on the latest >> release: I don't wish to do lots of bug resolving. And I don't >> want to radically change my OS that often. Patrick O'Callaghan: > Staying on N-1 doesn't reduce the frequency of updates. N-1 changes > just as often as N

Re: problem with gimp while attempting to upgrade from f30 to f31 [Next]

2020-03-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-03-12 18:53, François Patte wrote: > Le 12/03/2020 à 11:30, François Patte a écrit : >> Bonjour, >> >> I want to upgrade my f30 system and: >> >> dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=31 >> >> Adobe Systems Incorporated 4.7 >> kB/s | 1.9

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2020-03-12 at 15:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > On Wed, 2020-03-11 at 17:31 -0500, Christopher Marlow wrote: > > I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say > > FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? I am guessing after a new version of > > FC comes out, that the previo

Re: problem with gimp while attempting to upgrade from f30 to f31 [Next]

2020-03-12 Thread François Patte
Le 12/03/2020 à 11:30, François Patte a écrit : > Bonjour, > > I want to upgrade my f30 system and: > > dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=31 > > Adobe Systems Incorporated 4.7 > kB/s | 1.9 kB 00:00 > amdgpu-pro-local

Re: Reasons for staying on a old version ( Re: Prepping for upgrade)

2020-03-12 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 19:33, Christopher Marlow wrote: > I am just curious why people stay on old versions of Fedora like say > FC30 instead of upgrading to 31? I am guessing after a new version of > FC comes out, that the previous version is still supported for a > limited time? > There are al

problem with gimp while attempting to upgrade from f30 to f31

2020-03-12 Thread François Patte
Bonjour, I want to upgrade my f30 system and: dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=31 Adobe Systems Incorporated 4.7 kB/s | 1.9 kB 00:00 amdgpu-pro-local5.6 MB/s | 74 kB 00:00 Fedo