Re: upgrade to f30: how to recover lost Thunderbird data?

2019-10-10 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 17:52 -0600, home user wrote: > Fortunately (I hope!), I did back up my ".thunderbird" directory > before doing the upgrade. I seriously need my e-mail filters and my > calendar (lightning?) data. How do I restore those? You really need to be sure that Thunderbird has fully

Re: strange behavior: it slows down and then recovers

2019-10-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/10/19 4:12 AM, wwp wrote: On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 21:08:47 -0400 "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote: Been noticing the same thing on my F30 system as wellI don't think its FedoraI think its Mozilla's Firefox, this behavior also has hit my OpenSuSE and my CEntOS laptopssomething is e

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 11:33 -0600, Bill wrote: > bash.12[~]: df -hP > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > devtmpfs7.8G 0 7.8G 0% /dev > tmpfs 7.9G 62M 7.8G 1% /dev/shm > tmpfs 7.9G 1.7M 7.9G 1% /run > tmpfs 7.9G 0 7.9G 0% /

Re: upgrade to f30: how to recover lost Thunderbird data?

2019-10-10 Thread home user
> if your hope came full true: remove the new ~/.thunderbird > and restore your backup-ed .thunderbird save it before removing ! I tried it.  It did not work. But thank-you for the suggestion. Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: upgrade to f30: how to recover lost Thunderbird data?

2019-10-10 Thread sixpack13
No one on the list apart from you can tell if your hope comes true... ;-) did they ? I hope so, but as always: no backup more "fun" ! at least it will burn in FOR EVER to always take backups BEFORE doing any task which could touch important user data. if your hope came full true: remove the n

Re: where is the nasty cache?

2019-10-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:57:20 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > So where is this "helpful" cache that has the old > IP stashed? Aargh! It is apparently coming from NIS. I *always* remove the nsswitch.conf entries for nis for everything except user/group (which is the only reliable information the NIS ser

upgrade to f30: how to recover lost Thunderbird data?

2019-10-10 Thread home user
The upgrade to Fedora-30 is done.  This included upgrading Thunderbird to version 68.1.  Unfortunately, this also lost all preferences, calendar data, set-up, filters, etc. Fortunately (I hope!), I did back up my ".thunderbird" directory before doing the upgrade.  I seriously need my e-mail fi

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread home user
ok, it's done.  A couple issues remain.  I'll launch a separate thread for one (Thunderbird issues).  The other... == -bash.3[~]: dnf list extras Last metadata expiration check: 1:44:37 ago on Thu 10 Oct 2019 03:53:44 PM MDT. Extra Packages beignet.x86_64 1.3.2-5.fc29 @fed

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread George N. White III
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 12:53, Tim via users wrote: > On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 07:03 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > SSDs haven't been around long enough, I feel, for their claimed > > longevity to be proven. > I used to work at an oceanographic institute, so many systems got used at sea (in the N

where is the nasty cache?

2019-10-10 Thread Tom Horsley
We shuffled some systems around at work. An NFS server now has a new IP address. On my fedora 30 desktop I see: nslookup shows the new IP address host shows the new IP address ping still pings the OLD address!!! mount /mountpoint apparent still uses the old IP because it times out. I'm not run

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread home user
(sigh)  I was too fast? bash.31[~]: dnf system-upgrade reboot Error: system is not ready for upgrade bash.32[~]: cd bash.33[~]: dnf system-upgrade reboot Error: system is not ready for upgrade bash.34[~]: I see I missed a post from Samuel while off-line. I re-tried the download; here's the end

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread home user
I'm going to try what Samuel suggested and Terry agreed I should try: > But here is what I've done in this situtation. If you have enough space on /home, > then run: > mv /var/lib/dnf/system-upgrade /home > and > ln -s /home/system-upgrade /var/lib/dnf Roger's and Joe's suggestions look like goo

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/10/19 10:53 AM, home user wrote: (replying to both of Samuel's posts) > Your / is pretty full. Is that all from the dnf downloading of f-30, or is there something (prior upgrades?  prior patching?) that I can clear out to make room? it helps here's an overview of '/':

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/10/2019 12:01 PM, Roger Heflin wrote: I have machinesthat / is only 20G and I have been able to upgrade them. So you should probably figure out what is using the space. Another thing that might help is to install Bleachbit and run it as root so that you can clean all of the cruft out o

Re: Slow....And STILL Slow!?....

2019-10-10 Thread Roger Heflin
if you are using firefox I have noticed recently (maybe last 2 months) it has started using excessive memory. And it seems to get quite large and start paging. Mine is doing it on some websites in no more than a few days, it is getting annoying. I have seen a single firefox process >10G, and on

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Roger Heflin
I have machinesthat / is only 20G and I have been able to upgrade them. So you should probably figure out what is using the space. cd / and run this: du -sh * | grep G and ignore anything that is a separate mount. Once you find a largish directory then cd into it and repeat the above command.

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread home user
(replying to both of Samuel's posts) > Your / is pretty full. Is that all from the dnf downloading of f-30, or is there something (prior upgrades?  prior patching?) that I can clear out to make room?  it helps here's an overview of '/': = bash.19[/]: ls -la total 85 dr

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Terry Polzin
Agreed / filesystem is very small. I usually make /usr its own filesystem too sometimes /var as well It was suggested to use a ln -s command to use space in /home to store the rpms, this is your best option On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:38 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 10/10/19 10:33 AM, home user wr

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/10/19 10:33 AM, home user wrote: (Terry asked) > Is home mounted on its own device/filesystem? Provide output of df -hP I don't think so. This a dual-boot workstation (Fedora and windows-7) with one hard drive and no other storage. >Provide output of df -hP bash.12[~]: df -hP Filesyste

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread home user
(Terry asked) > Is home mounted on its own device/filesystem? Provide output of df -hP I don't think so. This a dual-boot workstation (Fedora and windows-7) with one hard drive and no other storage. >Provide output of df -hP bash.12[~]: df -hP Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on de

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/10/19 5:14 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: George N. White III writes: In general, multiple CPU's only make sense if you need more cores than you can get (or afford) on one CPU.   The exception might be cases like compiles where there are lots of independent processes and you benefit from do

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/10/19 4:03 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Samuel Sieb writes: I'm not understanding what you mean here.  What's wrong with several decades? I've got HDDs that are already that old. They still work fine. They'll probably work fine for just as long. SSDs haven't been around long enough, I f

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/10/19 10:13 AM, home user wrote: Error Summary - Disk Requirements:    At least 1274MB more space needed on the / filesystem. bash.6[~]: How do I safely get the needed filespace? Am I correct in assuming that deleting files from /home/[whatever] would not

Re: upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread Terry Polzin
Is home mounted on its own device/filesystem? Provide output of df -hP On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:14 PM home user wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from Fedora-29 to Fedora-30. Everything seems to > have downloaded fine. The transaction check succeeded. But then I get > this: >

upgrade problem: space on '/' filesystem.

2019-10-10 Thread home user
I'm trying to upgrade from Fedora-29 to Fedora-30.  Everything seems to have downloaded fine.  The transaction check succeeded.  But then I get this: Running transaction test The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful transaction. You can remove

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 08:14:35AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I understand all of these factors. I'm looking for some links to > vendors that delivered something that Fedora ran on, without issues. > Google is not cooperating. I got a desktop system from Zareason configured with Fedora pre-in

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 07:03 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > SSDs haven't been around long enough, I feel, for their claimed > longevity to be proven. While that is true, it is hard to predict future performance of a new product. > And no matter what it is, SSDs have a ticking clock, counting down

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/10/19 11:53 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I just can't get used to the concept on an expiration date on my storage. I've got rust here that's been spinning for a decade, FWIW, I have several systems using SSD only.  The maker being Crucial.  I was not an early adopter. I looked at the "wo

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:09 PM Sam Varshavchik wrote: > My C++ compiles are getting longer. It's time to get new hardware, but > I'm > having some difficulty finding Fedora-friendly hardware, that's slightly > above average grade, such as dual CPU and spinning rust (I haven't gotten > quite aboar

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Sam Varshavchik
George N. White III writes: In general, multiple CPU's only make sense if you need more cores than you can get (or afford) on one CPU.   The exception might be cases like compiles  where there are lots of independent processes and you benefit from double  the cache, but you can also get CPU mode

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/10/19 6:54 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ed Greshko writes: On 10/10/19 11:53 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: And Nvidia's proprietary driver is another thing I'd rather not deal with. it seems that most vendors ship new Nvidia chipsets that x.org lists as not supported. May I ask where that

Re: strange behavior: it slows down and then recovers

2019-10-10 Thread wwp
Hello Eddie, On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 21:08:47 -0400 "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote: > Been noticing the same thing on my F30 system as wellI don't think its > FedoraI think its Mozilla's Firefox, this behavior also has hit my > OpenSuSE and my CEntOS laptopssomething is eating up the R

Re: Slow....And STILL Slow!?....

2019-10-10 Thread wwp
Hi, On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 23:52:28 -0400 "Eddie O'Connor" wrote: > So, after upgrading the RAM in my Lenovo ThinkPad T-420 I thought I'd get > faster performance. But even with two 8GB sticks?it's running even > SLOWER?! Is there something I've done wrong? It's got a 320GB 7200RPM hard > drive.

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Samuel Sieb writes: On 10/9/19 8:53 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I just can't get used to the concept on an expiration date on my storage. I've got rust here that's been spinning for a decade, and I've been banging away it, constantly. Hard. I'm told that even under constant use modern SSDs

Re: Slow....And STILL Slow!?....

2019-10-10 Thread George N. White III
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 00:53, Eddie O'Connor wrote: > So, after upgrading the RAM in my Lenovo ThinkPad T-420 I thought I'd get > faster performance. But even with two 8GB sticks?it's running even > SLOWER?! Is there something I've done wrong? It's got a 320GB 7200RPM hard > driveand it's

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 23:09, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > My C++ compiles are getting longer. It's time to get new hardware, but > I'm > having some difficulty finding Fedora-friendly hardware, that's slightly > above average grade, such as dual CPU and spinning rust (I haven't gotten > quite aboard

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Ed Greshko writes: On 10/10/19 11:53 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: And Nvidia's proprietary driver is another thing I'd rather not deal with. it seems that most vendors ship new Nvidia chipsets that x.org lists as not supported. May I ask where that list is located? https://nouveau.freedesk

Re: Slow....And STILL Slow!?....

2019-10-10 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2019-10-09 at 23:52 -0400, Eddie O'Connor wrote: > So, after upgrading the RAM in my Lenovo ThinkPad T-420 I thought I'd > get faster performance. But even with two 8GB sticks?it's running > even SLOWER?! Is there something I've done wrong? It's got a 320GB > 7200RPM hard driveand i

Re: Time to refresh my hardware

2019-10-10 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2019-10-09 at 23:53 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I just can't get used to the concept on an expiration date on my > storage. I've got rust here that's been spinning for a decade, and > I've been banging away it, constantly. Hard. I'm told that even under > constant use modern SSDs are r