Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/04/2016 09:05 PM, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/04/2016 02:47 PM, Tom H wrote: If the ".local" devices that you're connecting to are served by regular dns, it's not a problem. Of course, but in that case you don't need mDNS at all, so just remov

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Michael B Allen wrote: > Disclaimer - this is all wild speculation. But think about it - why > did Apple need mDNS? They needed mDNS so that OSX (and later iPhones > and iPads) could find your home printer over the wireless router even > if the printer IP changed.

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/04/2016 02:47 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> On 11/04/2016 02:12 PM, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > > Of course my local network is a

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > The wireless routers use .local. I know for > a fact the Verizon ones do and have for a long time. Actually I have to retract this. I'm not sure routers use .local. Mine is configure for .local but I may have just changed that so long ago I

Re: gnome-terminal --display-factory

2016-11-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:06:12PM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote: > Hi Matthew, > I can confirm roxterm works with vi as enternal editor in Sylpheed: > roxterm -e vi '%s' > For some reason it opens very small but that is a wart that I can live > with for now. Noticed that too -- probaby worth fil

Re: gnome-terminal --display-factory

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 05:34:32PM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote: >> Does anyone have a recommended work-around? > > AFAIK the only workaround would be in the program itself -- it would > have to know to wait for something _other_ than the pro

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/04/2016 02:40 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: >> >> I don't think this was a MS thing. I recall .local being used a >> lng time ago. It used to be that .local was absolutely the >> recommended method for small private networks. From googlin

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: >> I never understood these logical meta languages. Pam is another >> example. It's basically just an obscure way of writing code so it's >> not obvious to me why this isn't just scripted so that s

Re: gnome-terminal --display-factory

2016-11-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 05:34:32PM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote: > Does anyone have a recommended work-around? AFAIK the only workaround would be in the program itself -- it would have to know to wait for something _other_ than the process termination. > I know gnome-terminal is "special" so per

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/04/2016 02:40 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: I don't think this was a MS thing. I recall .local being used a lng time ago. It used to be that .local was absolutely the recommended method for small private networks. From googling around it seems there is a lot of nonsense about using .local

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > > Of course my l

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/04/2016 02:47 PM, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/04/2016 02:12 PM, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in my case mdns cannot really be used effec

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/04/2016 02:12 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: >>> >>> Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in >>> my case mdns cannot really be used effectively. >> >> That's the p

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in my

gnome-terminal --display-factory

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
I have been using this external editor command for the Sylpheed mailer: gnome-terminal --disable-factory -x vim '%s' This allows launching a terminal with vi so that I can capture shell command output, edit things with vi and insert files and such. This is a very powerful and important feature.

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/04/2016 02:12 PM, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in my case mdns cannot really be used effectively. That's the problem. ".local" is the default mdns domain. You can change it by set

Re: problem with latest Viber

2016-11-04 Thread stan
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:21:04 -0700 stan wrote: > On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 16:03:00 + > Kseniya Blashchuk wrote: > > > Hi all! > > Had to reinstall Viber, and now it fails to connect when I enter my > > number. Logs show the following: > [snip] > > > > I have crated a support case but they just

Re: problem with latest Viber

2016-11-04 Thread stan
On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 16:03:00 + Kseniya Blashchuk wrote: > Hi all! > Had to reinstall Viber, and now it fails to connect when I enter my > number. Logs show the following: [snip] > > I have crated a support case but they just said "we will try to > reproduce... bla bla" and closed my case. Ca

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >> On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: >>> >>> Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in >>> my case mdns cannot really be used effectively. >> >> We

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > > Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in > my case mdns cannot really be used effectively. That's the problem. ".local" is the default mdns domain. You can change it by setting "domain-name=something_else" in

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 11/04/2016 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:03:41 -0400 >> Michael B Allen wrote: >>> >>> Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? >> >> I have no idea what is "supposed" to work, but I know >> I always have to get rid of t

Re: After fedup F23 -> F24 no more left-handed mouse

2016-11-04 Thread stan
On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 17:17:09 +0100 Mark wrote: > Hi > > I just upgraded my desktop from F23 to F24 via fedup and after that > the setting to have the right mouse button as the primary one has no > effect. That is I go to All Settings -> Mouse & Touchpad and select > Right as the primary button.

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Rick Stevens
On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> On 11/04/2016 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:03:41 -0400 >>> Michael B Allen wrote: >>> Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? >>> >>> I have no idea what is "suppose

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/04/2016 01:38 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in my case mdns cannot really be used effectively. Well, that right there is yo

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: >> >> Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in >> my case mdns cannot really be used effectively. >> > Well, that right there is your problem. Don't do that... Why? I

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/04/2016 12:58 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: Of course my local network is a .local domain so it seems at least in my case mdns cannot really be used effectively. Well, that right there is your problem. Don't do that... ___ users mailing list -- us

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 11/04/2016 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:03:41 -0400 >> Michael B Allen wrote: >> >>> Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? >> >> I have no idea what is "supposed" to work, but I know >> I always have to get rid of th

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/04/2016 10:03 AM, Michael B Allen wrote: Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? I have a proper DNS server but if I just try to ping an FQDN it tries mDNS UDP 5353 which fails. OTOH I just installed my printer and I'm guessing mDNS helped with that so maybe mDNS is something I need? I hav

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Rick Stevens
On 11/04/2016 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:03:41 -0400 > Michael B Allen wrote: > >> Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? > > I have no idea what is "supposed" to work, but I know > I always have to get rid of the mdns [notfound=return] > crap that is in my /etc/nsswitch.

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:03:41 -0400 Michael B Allen wrote: > Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? I have no idea what is "supposed" to work, but I know I always have to get rid of the mdns [notfound=return] crap that is in my /etc/nsswitch.conf file by default in order to get "normal" dns lookups

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread fedora
Hi mDNS manages only the .local domain (or its replacement if you configure mDNS differently), nothing else. mDNS is called via a special IP address in 224.0.0.xxx and therefore cannot face out the original DNS. suomi On 11/4/2016 13:03, Michael B Allen wrote: Is mDNS supposed to coexist wi

Re: Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Bryon Adams
On 11/4/2016 13:03, Michael B Allen wrote: Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? I have a proper DNS server but if I just try to ping an FQDN it tries mDNS UDP 5353 which fails. OTOH I just installed my printer and I'm guessing mDNS helped with that so maybe mDNS is something I need? I have no

Does mDNS play well in regular DNS env?

2016-11-04 Thread Michael B Allen
Is mDNS supposed to coexist with DNS? I have a proper DNS server but if I just try to ping an FQDN it tries mDNS UDP 5353 which fails. OTOH I just installed my printer and I'm guessing mDNS helped with that so maybe mDNS is something I need? I have no experience with mDNS but I am assuming that

Re: qt

2016-11-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Yes exactly, rpm -qf /etc/profile.d/qt.sh qt3-3.3.8b-67.fc24.x86_64 why qt4 does not modify this file? It needs to keep qt3 because Removing: PyQt x86_64 3.18.1-32.fc24 @@commandline 10 M arts x86_64

Re: qt

2016-11-04 Thread Jon Ingason
Den 2016-11-04 kl. 16:54, skrev Patrick Dupre: > Thank for the infao. > > dnf install qt-devel > Last metadata expiration check: 0:28:48 ago on Fri Nov 4 16:22:06 2016. > Package qt-devel-1:4.8.7-18.fc24.x86_64 is already installed, skipping. > Dependencies resolved. > Nothing to do. > Complete!

Re: /boot on btrfs

2016-11-04 Thread Rick Stevens
On 11/04/2016 07:01 AM, Saša Janiška wrote: > Hello, > > I plan to put Fedora very soon on my desktop machine to replace Debian, > but noticed that /boot on btrfs is not supported although, iirc, I was > using the same setup under both openSUSE and Debian when using btrfs. > > At the moment I do

After fedup F23 -> F24 no more left-handed mouse

2016-11-04 Thread Mark
Hi I just upgraded my desktop from F23 to F24 via fedup and after that the setting to have the right mouse button as the primary one has no effect. That is I go to All Settings -> Mouse & Touchpad and select Right as the primary button. But it has no effect at all. Even when I go to Test Your Sett

Re: qt

2016-11-04 Thread Jeandet Alexis
Le vendredi 04 novembre 2016 à 16:54 +0100, Patrick Dupre a écrit : > Thank for the infao. > >  dnf install qt-devel > Last metadata expiration check: 0:28:48 ago on Fri Nov  4 16:22:06 > 2016. > Package qt-devel-1:4.8.7-18.fc24.x86_64 is already installed, > skipping. > Dependencies resolved. > N

problem with latest Viber

2016-11-04 Thread Kseniya Blashchuk
Hi all! Had to reinstall Viber, and now it fails to connect when I enter my number. Logs show the following: Nov 04 14:14:09 ksy viber.desktop[12550]: /opt/viber/Viber: /lib64/libcurl.so.4: no version information available (required by /opt/viber/Viber) Nov 04 14:14:10 ksy viber.desktop[12550]: qt

Re: qt

2016-11-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Yes, rpm -q qt-devel qt-devel-4.8.7-18.fc24.x86_64 Even after a dnf reinstall qt-devel, I still have the issue: which qmake /usr/bin/which: no qmake in (/root/bin:/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin) ===

Re: qt

2016-11-04 Thread Jon Ingason
Den 2016-11-04 kl. 16:42, skrev Patrick Dupre: > Hello, > which qmake > provides > /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin/qmake > while I need a version 4 > /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin/qmake is part of qt3-devel > > > How can I install qt4 ? > dnf install qt4 > provides > Package qt-1:4.8.7-18.fc24.x86_64 is already in

Re: qt

2016-11-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Thank for the infao. dnf install qt-devel Last metadata expiration check: 0:28:48 ago on Fri Nov 4 16:22:06 2016. Package qt-devel-1:4.8.7-18.fc24.x86_64 is already installed, skipping. Dependencies resolved. Nothing to do. Complete! qt-devel provides /usr/bin/qmake-qt4 /usr/lib64/qt4/bin/qmake

Re: qt

2016-11-04 Thread Jeandet Alexis
Hello Patrick, For qt4 you need qt-devel and for qt5 qt5-qtbase-devel. You will get qmake-qt4 and qmake-qt5. Then you may also need others qt4/5 devel packages. Regards, Alexis Le vendredi 04 novembre 2016 à 16:42 +0100, Patrick Dupre a écrit : > Hello, > which qmake > provides > /usr/lib64/qt-3.

qt

2016-11-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, which qmake provides /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin/qmake while I need a version 4 /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin/qmake is part of qt3-devel How can I install qt4 ? dnf install qt4 provides Package qt-1:4.8.7-18.fc24.x86_64 is already installed, skipping. If I remove qt3-devel I do not have any qmake avail

/boot on btrfs

2016-11-04 Thread Saša Janiška
Hello, I plan to put Fedora very soon on my desktop machine to replace Debian, but noticed that /boot on btrfs is not supported although, iirc, I was using the same setup under both openSUSE and Debian when using btrfs. At the moment I do use xfs/raid1, but considering to switch (back) to btrfs s

Problem with keyboard shortcuts and layouts

2016-11-04 Thread Jeandet Alexis
Hi all, I have a laptop with a French (azerty) layout and an USB Dvorak(US) keyboard(a TypeMatrix 2030).  So I added my dvorak keyboard in the gnome -settings input sources menu.  I can easily switch between keyboards with Super+Space but shortcuts doesn't work with my dvorak keyboard.  It looks l

Re: libvdpau_nouveau

2016-11-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 11/04/2016 06:00 AM, François Patte wrote: vlc complains that it cannot find the libvdpau_nouveau.so file. Where can I find this file for fedora 24? dnf whatprovides \*/libvdpau_nouveau.so\* Last metadata expiration check: 23:37:32 ago on Thu Nov 3 08:42:33 2016. mesa-vdpau-drivers-11.2.1

Re: Botched fedup F23 -> F24 with nvidia

2016-11-04 Thread Mark
On Thu, 2016-11-03 at 12:28 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Mark > wrote: > > > > > All I got was a grey page with the text "Oh no! Something has > > gone wrong. > > > > When using the Nvidia proprietary driver, when I have this happen, > the only > way I have succe

libvdpau_nouveau

2016-11-04 Thread François Patte
Bonjour, vlc complains that it cannot find the libvdpau_nouveau.so file. Where can I find this file for fedora 24? Thank you. -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +

Re: fedpkg: build error No build ID

2016-11-04 Thread James Hogarth
On 4 November 2016 at 08:34, arnaud gaboury wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:19 AM arnaud gaboury > wrote: >> >> I am writing a spec file to build an app. >> The build failed with this error: >> >> *** ERROR: No build ID note found in >> /home/makerpm/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/mattermost-3.4-1.fc24

Re: /usr/lib & /usr/lib64 & %{_libdir} in .spec files

2016-11-04 Thread James Hogarth
On 3 November 2016 at 16:49, arnaud gaboury wrote: > > > Where do these macro come from ? Any doc link ? > > Thank you > Read the section about macros here: https://www.hogarthuk.com/?q=node/11 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: fedpkg: build error No build ID

2016-11-04 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:19 AM arnaud gaboury wrote: > I am writing a spec file to build an app. > The build failed with this error: > > *** ERROR: No build ID note found in > /home/makerpm/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/mattermost-3.4-1.fc24.x86_64/usr/share/webapps/mattermost/bin/platform > > Googling it,

fedpkg: build error No build ID

2016-11-04 Thread arnaud gaboury
I am writing a spec file to build an app. The build failed with this error: *** ERROR: No build ID note found in /home/makerpm/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/mattermost-3.4-1.fc24.x86_64/usr/share/webapps/mattermost/bin/platform Googling it, I found a few "tricks" which I tried but don't work: - Adding "LDFL