Re: Thunderbird blinking browser notice -

2015-06-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/01/15 05:31, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > The only changes I made other than that were to get a high contrast theme, > larger fonts, switch the screen saver to blank and killed the lock function. Your issue is related to changing the theme. If I use the default theme of Fed

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Ronal B Morse
On 06/30/2015 06:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/30/2015 05:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and then

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

2015-06-30 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 30Jun2015 21:02, michael hennebry wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: Personally I tend to use a nontexty character for this kind of placeholder, such as ^G. Less risk of excountering that in the >>>input text, and therefore less risk of accidentally mangling it. Eliminate risk. Re

Re: How do you store a Live Feed from a guitar

2015-06-30 Thread Doug
On 06/30/2015 08:42 PM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Everyone, I finally have enough time to play with my computer and guitar at the same time. Does anyone have a method of storing a live feed from a guitar. I have a guitar with an acoustic pickup that I normally use with a regular amplifier. I

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

2015-06-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: Personally I tend to use a nontexty character for this kind of placeholder, such as ^G. Less risk of excountering that in the input text, and therefore less risk of accidentally mangling it. Eliminate risk. Replace all strings of e's with another string of e

How do you store a Live Feed from a guitar

2015-06-30 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Everyone, I finally have enough time to play with my computer and guitar at the same time. Does anyone have a method of storing a live feed from a guitar. I have a guitar with an acoustic pickup that I normally use with a regular amplifier. I now have a usb audio cable from Alesis LineLink that

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it > can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. > Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and > then make an LV (or two or th

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 05:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and then make an LV (or two or three or whateve

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and then make an LV (or two or three or whatever) to use as backing for the VM, and then those

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 05:42 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/30/2015 05:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: So you could dd 512 bytes of /dev/zero to the drive, or use "wipefs -a /dev/sdX", then use parted

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:43 PM, jd1008 wrote: >> What OS are you booting that won't read GPT? > > It is an OS that existed before GPT I still use it > because it has purchased SW that is too expensive to replace > with versions for more modern OS. > `nough said :) :) > Full circle. N

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 06/30/2015 05:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Gordon Messmer >> wrote: >> >>> So you could dd 512 bytes of /dev/zero to the drive, or use "wipefs -a >>> /dev/sdX", then use parted to "mktable gpt" and set up

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 05:38 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 04:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Since my internal drive is dual boot, I do need to boot an OS that does not recognize GPT :( What OS are you booting that won't read GPT? It is an OS that existed before GPT I still use it because it h

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 04:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: That will not work. Parted replaces the PMBR in such a case. So does gdisk. Today I learned too many things. Thanks, Chris. :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 05:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: So you could dd 512 bytes of /dev/zero to the drive, or use "wipefs -a /dev/sdX", then use parted to "mktable gpt" and set up partitions. That will not work. Parted replaces the PMBR in such a

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 04:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Since my internal drive is dual boot, I do need to boot an OS that does not recognize GPT :( What OS are you booting that won't read GPT? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedor

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: > I wonder if BIOS manufacturer's are reading this list and taking note :) :) They have and they say to upgrade to UEFI. This is a very long thread just to arrive at the conclusion that BIOS behavior isn't ideal for your use case. The expectation i

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 04:10 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: However, also based on testing, it seems that if you used GPT for your >partitions, then BIOS would skip over the drive during the boot process. No because every GPT creator also creates a PMBR which includes the MBR boot signature that you're telling

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > So you could dd 512 bytes of /dev/zero to the drive, or use "wipefs -a > /dev/sdX", then use parted to "mktable gpt" and set up partitions. That will not work. Parted replaces the PMBR in such a case. So does gdisk. wipefs -a after parted

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

2015-06-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/30/2015 03:48 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: The "NL" is not a command. It is simply a piece of text to insert into the line in place of newlines. (I'm not sure why - you can certainly hold multiple lines in the hold space.) My guess is that it's easier to treat every paragraph as one long

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: No it doesn't, it asks the question. Begging the question means something entirely different (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question) and the fact that many people misuse it that way doesn't change the meaning. --

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 04:13 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think i

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 05:13 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 04:01 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, how can I proceed with a brand new drive, dd /dev/zero into the first ... say 4K bytes, partition it with fdisk, do not mark any partition bootable, so that bios will skip over it ? Based on testing, it looks like any use of MBR will cause your BIOS to

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
UEFI spec 2.4.0 suggests the PMBR is optional. 5.2.3 "A Protective MBR may be located at LBA 0 (i.e. the first logical block) of the disk if it is using the GPT disk layout. The Protective MBR precedes the GUID Partition Table Header to maintain compatibility with existing tools that do not unders

Re: "software": how does it really work?

2015-06-30 Thread bitlord
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 21:23 +0100, andrea wrote: > Hi, > > I'm on Fedora 22 default gnome desktop. > > I've got a few questions about "software" > > 1) how does it integrate with dnf? for instance if I do "dnf history" > I do not see any of the > transactions done with the "software" app. It d

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: > OMG!!! > LVM!!! > The other OS will most certainly NOT be able to make use > of that drive :) :) OK so you have two options. -Change the BIOS boot order. - Use GPT and after making all changes either zero out LBA 0 or otherwise invalidate the MB

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/30/2015 03:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else >> alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that >> points to no where and hangs. > > > One of jd's earlier

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 03:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that points to no where and hangs. One of jd's earlier messages included the boot sector. It was mostly nul bytes. The so

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 05:10 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) Yes. It's an accusation. Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, non

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > >> So, it begs the question: > > > > (that's not what "begs the question" means) > For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation > does indeed lead me to ask that question. > If you think it does not mean that - then please en

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
Yet another possibility is to GPT partition the disk and then zero LBA 0 (the PMBR). Now to any MBR only utility, it will appear to be a blank drive and hence dangerously unprotected. But, being lazy I won't go look for this, I don't think the UEFI spec requires a PMBR on GPT disks, it can just hav

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 05:02 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think it does not me

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: >> >> So, it begs the question: > > > (that's not what "begs the question" means) Yes. It's an accusation. > >> Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, >> none of the partitions marked as b

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, none of the partitions marked as bootable, and have bios quickly skip over it to the next device in the boot sequence? So far it l

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 04:56 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, with this kind of change, it destroys the partition table. So it does. :( Well, that's disappointing. Educational, but disappointing. I missed that in testing because the bootable media I was using wro

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 04:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: I just set Vbox boot order to HD > CD/DVD. And added a new blank VDI for the HD, and a Fedora 22 Live CD ISO for the CD. And it boots from the CD. So the HD is clearly skipped. If I partition the HD with fdisk with a single partition and no boot flag

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 04:48 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 30Jun2015 14:35, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: [snip] Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without resorting to awk: for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 03:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, with this kind of change, it destroys the partition table. So it does. :( Well, that's disappointing. Educational, but disappointing. I missed that in testing because the bootable media I was using wrote both an MBR and GPT labels to the USB drive.

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
I just set Vbox boot order to HD > CD/DVD. And added a new blank VDI for the HD, and a Fedora 22 Live CD ISO for the CD. And it boots from the CD. So the HD is clearly skipped. If I partition the HD with fdisk with a single partition and no boot flag, I get the same result. So clearly this BIOS is

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

2015-06-30 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 30Jun2015 14:35, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: [snip] Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without resorting to awk: for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed '1s/={NL}=//;s/={NL}=/\n/g' > $i.sorted.txt done

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: >> >> The link you refer to >> talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are >> bytes 256 and 257. > > > No, they're the two byte block at the 255th block of two bytes. > > https://en.wikipedia.or

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: > So, it begs the question: > Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, > none of the partitions marked as bootable, and have bios > quickly skip over it to the next device in the boot sequence? If you partition the disk you want skipped w

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, they're the two byte block at the 255th block of two bytes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record Again, bytes 0-446 are boot code. Bytes 256 and

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 04:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: Here is what happened after the 2 bytes at offset 511 and 512 were null'ed: fdisk /dev/sdb Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.24.2). Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. Be

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: > Here is what happened after the 2 bytes at offset 511 and 512 were null'ed: > > fdisk /dev/sdb > > Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.24.2). > Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. > Be careful before using the write comman

Re: Strange booting problem - Off list

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 04:32 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x 000 aa55 If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, can they be "null'ed" safely?? Doing so worked for me, when testing under SeaBIOS.

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
Here is what happened after the 2 bytes at offset 511 and 512 were null'ed: fdisk /dev/sdb Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.24.2). Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. Be careful before using the write command. Device does not contain a recognized partition table.

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > Hi Rick, > Re: my /dev/sdb: > > > dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x > 000 aa55 > 002 > > If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, > can they be "null'ed" safely?? How do you define safely? It means the

Re: Strange booting problem - Off list

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 03:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x 000 aa55 If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, can they be "null'ed" safely?? Doing so worked for me, when testing under SeaBIOS. dd if=/dev/zero bs=2 count=1 seek=255 of=/dev/s

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/30/2015 03:19 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, you set the block size to 2, so you are seeking (2 * 255) or 512 bytes into the disk. Grrr! 2 * 255 = 510 bytes

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, you set the block size to 2, so you are seeking (2 * 255) or 512 bytes into the disk. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... in another usb drive

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
observations: 1. GRUB's boot.img, the 440 bytes of code in the MBR/LBA 0, does not use the partition active bit (the boot flag). So boot flag is irrelevant in a GRUB context. The GRUB boot.img code contains the specific LBA to jump to where core.img is found, which on MBR disks is in the MBR gap.

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... in another usb drive I tested, thus no boot signature - and yet, bios hung forever because that disk was 2nd in boot order after cd/dvd drive, and befo

Re: Strange booting problem - Off list

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
Hi Rick, Re: my /dev/sdb: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x 000 aa55 002 If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, can they be "null'ed" safely?? Thanx. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opt

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/30/2015 02:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. The boot signature is at bytes 511 and 512, and you indicated that it is present: https://lists.fedora

Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
There is also: dnf group list hidden -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

Re: Thunderbird blinking browser notice -

2015-06-30 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 29/06/15 17:33, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/30/15 00:12, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: My systems are always configured to look the same from version to version as much as possible. I pretty much keep making the same "changes" based on my notes and a lot of saved files. I don't rec

Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
On 06/30/2015 03:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 14:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote: During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from the left column, and then select the groups of packages from the right column. Fine. Now that fedora is up and running, how does one

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. You comment "bug" is not a word for "something I don't understand" or "something I don't like." is so totally irrelevant to what I have alrea

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/26/2015 07:35 PM, jd1008 wrote: I have been googling and read wikis. None of them really explain clearly If 1. a drive has no bootable partitions and 2. the boot code in the 1st 446 bytes does not exist (all nulls) then how does bios decide it is not bootable, move on to the nex

Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 14:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from > the left column, and then select the groups of packages from > the right column. > > Fine. > > Now that fedora is up and running, how does one add a group > of packages ala the groupin

After installing Fedora Workstation ...

2015-06-30 Thread jd1008
During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from the left column, and then select the groups of packages from the right column. Fine. Now that fedora is up and running, how does one add a group of packages ala the groupings presented by anaconda? Where is the list of such group names

"software": how does it really work?

2015-06-30 Thread andrea
Hi, I'm on Fedora 22 default gnome desktop. I've got a few questions about "software" 1) how does it integrate with dnf? for instance if I do "dnf history" I do not see any of the transactions done with the "software" app. 2) do "software" and dnf have the same source? there are packages ava

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: > Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even > compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only > loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of > which is it saves a ton of compile tim

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
Just as an FYI for those who may not know this, but the Fedora Project has build servers almost constantly building new kernels. You can go to koji.fedoraproject.org and type in kernel in the package field. Or go to URL http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8 For example today's

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: > Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even > compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only > loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of > which is it saves a ton of compile tim

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Heinz Diehl > wrote: > > On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > > > >> That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all > >> the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there > >> do

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > >> That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the >> irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't >> seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on har

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 11:18 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > pocallag...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > I have both of those running as shown. > > > > To be clear: The dnf lock is detected after the akmod compile, > > during > > the rpm install p

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

2015-06-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/30/2015 05:48 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 17:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in th

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I have both of those running as shown. > > To be clear: The dnf lock is detected after the akmod compile, during > the rpm install phase. I don't see how that is related to system > shutdown or startup. It's not directly. Basically

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 09:30 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Ed Greshko > wrote: > > > On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > > pocallag...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > >

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:56 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > pocallag...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Not sure whether to report this a

Re: rngd read error

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:14:09 -0700 stan wrote: > They all seem pretty pricey, except for > http://kidekin.nimp.co.uk/trng/kidekin_trng_user_manual.html > These can be purchased on Ebay for less than $10. They don't seem as > robust to me. Has anyone used this as an RNG solution? Messed up. T

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:24:56 +0200 Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > > > That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all > > the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there > > doesn't seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turn

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

2015-06-30 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 30 June 2015 at 17:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: >> >> On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. >>> >>> It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gn

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

2015-06-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. In F22? Yes

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > If that solves the problem then it's likely related to gdm on Wayland > and you can search for a bug to me too, or file a new one. Actually best to file a new one because these problems all seem to be GPU specific. So include all the info on

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi all F22 users, > > having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: > > If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until > the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

2015-06-30 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 06/30/2015 11:05 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: > > If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until > the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have to > restart my box because the

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

2015-06-30 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. > > It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is > pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. > > In F22? IIUC (I don't use xfce myself) the xfce t

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/30/15 22:30, Richard Shaw wrote: > Sorry, I should have been more specific, the services are called "akmods" and > "akmods-shutdown". Enabling either one should help... The shutdown one if dnf > releases the lock before you shutdown or the bootup one in case that one > fails. > > $ systemc

gnome3 and gdm in f22

2015-06-30 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi all F22 users, having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have to restart my box because the screen remains dark after logging ou

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

2015-06-30 Thread Bill Oliver
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: [snip] Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without resorting to awk: for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed '1s/={NL}=//;s/={NL}=/\n/g' > $i.sorted.txt done I bow before a Master. So, I'm try

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

2015-06-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/27/2015 02:01 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ralf Corsepius writes: On 06/26/2015 07:22 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: I don't know about a workaround, but it's probably worth noting that (unless I'm confused) Firefox in F22 has been ported to GTK3, and Thunderbird has not. Does this also expla

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > pocallag...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > My only "fix" (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, >

Re: need grub experts

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:29:40 +0200 François Patte wrote: > I cannot get a correct resolution for grub. Here is > my /etc/defaul/grub: > > < > GRUB_TIMEOUT="10" > GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)" > GRUB_DEFAULT="0" > #GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT="true" > G

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > My only "fix" (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, > when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind > with the

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the > irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't > seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on hardware > modules for the system scanned. "make localmodcon

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > My only "fix" (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, > when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind > with the normal installation process. What's interesting here is that the shutdown service o

Re: rngd read error

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:11:27 +0200 Timothy Murphy wrote: > Thanks very much. > This gave me the info > Error reading from TPM, no entropy gathered > It seems that my Thinkpad T510 has a TPM chip, > which I probably could turn on in some way. > > However, for the moment I've just run > sudo s

Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

2015-06-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/30/2015 01:36 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: In fact, if you do the second, the first one should not be required. I suggested this in my earlier post. Did you try? I started out by saying that I'd added alias ls=ls to .bashrc, which is the same thing as what you're suggesting. -- users mailing

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread stan
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:33:01 -0600 Isaac Cortés González wrote: > So, as I'm not a hardcore developer or coder, I was wondering: Is the > new support that it's dropped in the kernel for the Toshiba laptops > build by default or I'd have to compile by myself from "scratch"? I don't use a toshiba,

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:37:59 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself > > > out. > > > > That's probably w

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. > > > > Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the >

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley > wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking > > > itself > > > out. > > > > That's

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. > > Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the > question be between dnf and akmods? Isn't akmod produced by Nvidia?

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself > > out. > > That's probably why yum runs the akmod compile in the background > rather than waiting on i

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

2015-06-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the question be between dnf and akmods? -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZA

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