Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 12:06 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > Sent in error from my tablet courtesy of Mei-Mei.a cat. Better check it hasn't sneakily ordered tons of cat food to be delivered... ;-) -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me,

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 05:16 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Windows also only tries update itself, but doesn't take care about > updating packages from other sources. In most cases, users will have > to resort to using package proprietary updaters which may or may not > work, but always will requir

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 11:44 -0400, Tom H wrote: > Why don't you install Fedora and put up with having to use an external > repo for non-free stuff (if necessary) and upgrading every 6 months or > so? For some people, or lots of people, upgrading every 6 months is a headache best avoided. Quite ap

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Digvijay Patankar
On Oct 23, 2014 6:42 AM, "jd1008" wrote: > > Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, > in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her > windows 7, it was plagued by viruses that rendered it unusable. > > So, since she is not technically savvy, I was thinki

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Doug
On 10/28/2014 01:13 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:07:08 PM jd1008 wrote: Thank you Sudhir. I will be first installing PCLinuxOS, with bfs-PAE kernel (kde desktop) and let her play with that for a while. If she feels it is easy to "step up to" from Windows, then that's

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:07:08 PM jd1008 wrote: > Thank you Sudhir. > I will be first installing PCLinuxOS, with bfs-PAE kernel > (kde desktop) and let her play with that for a while. > If she feels it is easy to "step up to" from Windows, then > that's what she will get on her desktop. > If

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/28/2014 03:41 AM, jd1008 wrote: The lady I am trying to help does not even want to have to do any updates. She wants it all so atutomatic, that once I configure her network, and her desktop icons, she wants the installation to maintain itself. In a lot of ways, windoze does this for their

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread jd1008
On 10/27/2014 09:46 PM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Monday, October 27, 2014 08:41:03 PM jd1008 wrote: The lady I am trying to help does not even want to have to do any updates. She wants it all so atutomatic, that once I configure her network, and her desktop icons, she wants the installation to

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/28/14 11:37, jd1008 wrote: > Oooops! > I do not have your public key :) :) > So, it all looks like greek to me Sent in error from my tablet courtesy of Mei-Mei.a cat. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To u

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Monday, October 27, 2014 08:41:03 PM jd1008 wrote: > The lady I am trying to help does not even want to have to do > any updates. She wants it all so atutomatic, that once I configure > her network, and her desktop icons, she wants the installation to > maintain itself. Ubuntu is your best choi

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread jd1008
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Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
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Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Doug
On 10/27/2014 10:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 10/27/2014 11:17 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap,

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 28.10.2014 03:41, jd1008 wrote: > > On 10/27/2014 11:17 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: >> Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and >> that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year >> and a half. >> >> I don't know if this is something on the Fedo

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 28.10.2014 03:08, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:11:01 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 10/28/14 08:00, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> You have an old Gateway TB120 Tablet PC and this spin is for "Intel Bay >>> Trail-based tablet devices with 32-bit firmwares". And you're going to >>>

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread jd1008
On 10/27/2014 11:17 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap, but a graphical version of Fedup would

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:11:01 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 10/28/14 08:00, Ed Greshko wrote: > > You have an old Gateway TB120 Tablet PC and this spin is for "Intel Bay > > Trail-based tablet devices with 32-bit firmwares". And you're going to > > try it first? > > > > Is your old Gateway a "B

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/28/14 08:00, Ed Greshko wrote: > You have an old Gateway TB120 Tablet PC and this spin is for "Intel Bay > Trail-based tablet devices with 32-bit firmwares". And you're going to try > it first? > > Is your old Gateway a "Bay Trail-based tablet device"? > And, this is based on F21 Alpha w

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/28/14 07:43, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:22:43 +0100 poma wrote: > >> On 27.10.2014 23:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to install (and use) Fedora 20/21 on an old Gateway TB120 >>> tablet PC (2Gb memory, 300GB disk, Core2 Duo processor, etc) that has

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:22:43 +0100 poma wrote: > On 27.10.2014 23:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to install (and use) Fedora 20/21 on an old Gateway TB120 > > tablet PC (2Gb memory, 300GB disk, Core2 Duo processor, etc) that has been > > lying around at work. I was wonde

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 27.10.2014 23:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to install (and use) Fedora 20/21 on an old Gateway TB120 tablet > PC (2Gb memory, 300GB disk, Core2 Duo processor, etc) that has been lying > around at work. I was wondering if anything special is needed wrt > installation and ho

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/28/14 07:08, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Thanks! > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:57:01 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 10/28/14 06:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >>> I would like to install (and use) Fedora 20/21 on an old Gateway TB120 >>> tablet PC (2Gb memory, 300GB disk, Core2 Duo processor, etc) that

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Thanks! On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:57:01 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 10/28/14 06:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > I would like to install (and use) Fedora 20/21 on an old Gateway TB120 > > tablet PC (2Gb memory, 300GB disk, Core2 Duo processor, etc) that has been > > lying around at work. I was wonde

Re: Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/28/14 06:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I would like to install (and use) Fedora 20/21 on an old Gateway TB120 tablet > PC (2Gb memory, 300GB disk, Core2 Duo processor, etc) that has been lying > around at work. I was wondering if anything special is needed wrt > installation and how to get th

Fedora 20 on an old tablet PC

2014-10-27 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hi, I would like to install (and use) Fedora 20/21 on an old Gateway TB120 tablet PC (2Gb memory, 300GB disk, Core2 Duo processor, etc) that has been lying around at work. I was wondering if anything special is needed wrt installation and how to get the stylus, etc going. According to the shell

Re: Broadcom BCM4312 wireless

2014-10-27 Thread Mickey
On 10/27/2014 05:41 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 22:02, Mickey wrote: On 10/27/2014 04:38 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 21:10, Mickey wrote: On 10/27/2014 03:55 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 20:43, Mickey wrote: Fedora 20/ KDE Can't get a broadcom BCM4312 to work in F20. worked in previou

Re: Broadcom BCM4312 wireless

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 27.10.2014 22:02, Mickey wrote: > > On 10/27/2014 04:38 PM, poma wrote: >> On 27.10.2014 21:10, Mickey wrote: >>> On 10/27/2014 03:55 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 20:43, Mickey wrote: > Fedora 20/ KDE > > Can't get a broadcom BCM4312 to work in F20. worked in previous fedora's

Re: Broadcom BCM4312 wireless

2014-10-27 Thread Mickey
On 10/27/2014 04:38 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 21:10, Mickey wrote: On 10/27/2014 03:55 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 20:43, Mickey wrote: Fedora 20/ KDE Can't get a broadcom BCM4312 to work in F20. worked in previous fedora's on a Dell Mini 1012. lspci -v says it uses the driver b43-pci

Re: Broadcom BCM4312 wireless

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 27.10.2014 21:10, Mickey wrote: > > On 10/27/2014 03:55 PM, poma wrote: >> On 27.10.2014 20:43, Mickey wrote: >>> Fedora 20/ KDE >>> >>> Can't get a broadcom BCM4312 to work in F20. worked in previous fedora's >>> on a Dell Mini 1012. >>> >>> lspci -v says it uses the driver b43-pci-wireless, b

Re: Broadcom BCM4312 wireless

2014-10-27 Thread Mickey
On 10/27/2014 03:55 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 20:43, Mickey wrote: Fedora 20/ KDE Can't get a broadcom BCM4312 to work in F20. worked in previous fedora's on a Dell Mini 1012. lspci -v says it uses the driver b43-pci-wireless, but that is not so. please help Paste here 'lspci -knn | gr

Re: Where is a Camera Mount Point?

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 27.10.2014 20:40, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 10/27/2014 12:13 PM, poma wrote: >> On 27.10.2014 00:53, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 10/27/14 07:48, poma wrote: You might try to contact the author http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ >>> The first few sentences on that site would seem to

Re: Broadcom BCM4312 wireless

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 27.10.2014 20:43, Mickey wrote: > Fedora 20/ KDE > > Can't get a broadcom BCM4312 to work in F20. worked in previous fedora's > on a Dell Mini 1012. > > lspci -v says it uses the driver b43-pci-wireless, but that is not so. > > please help > Paste here 'lspci -knn | grep -A10 BCM4312' outp

Broadcom BCM4312 wireless

2014-10-27 Thread Mickey
Fedora 20/ KDE Can't get a broadcom BCM4312 to work in F20. worked in previous fedora's on a Dell Mini 1012. lspci -v says it uses the driver b43-pci-wireless, but that is not so. please help -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: ht

Re: Where is a Camera Mount Point?

2014-10-27 Thread Stephen Morris
On 10/27/2014 12:13 PM, poma wrote: On 27.10.2014 00:53, Ed Greshko wrote: On 10/27/14 07:48, poma wrote: You might try to contact the author http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ The first few sentences on that site would seem to answer all the questions "My software is for process

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Steven Rosenberg
Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap, but a graphical version of Fedup would go a long way toward making many users more comfort

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Bill Oliver
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 10/23/2014 12:46 AM, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Along with other suggestions, consider the support aspect. If they can't do i

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, jd1008 wrote: > On 10/23/2014 12:46 AM, Tim wrote: >> On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: >>> >>> Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? >> >> Along with other suggestions, consider the support aspect. If they >> can't do it themselves, it's go

Re: list of all updates

2014-10-27 Thread inode0
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Ger van Dijck wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a question : Is it possible to display a list of ALL updates ? > > I mean from the very beginning : So after install F20 , then the first > installed update till the last installed update. yum updateinfo list installed (o

Re: Making rc.local work on F20.

2014-10-27 Thread R. G. Newbury
On Sat, 2014-10-25 at 21:25 -0400, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote: : cd /etc echo '#!/bin/bash' > rc.d/rc.local ln -s rc.d/rc.local rc.local chmod 755 rc.d/rc.local As noted, previously you should use 'vi /etc/rc.d/rc.local' to add the '#!/bin/bash' line and any testing lines (like 'touch /var/tmp/

Re: Wrong sorting order in file managers of Fedora 20

2014-10-27 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 October 2014 13:48, M. Fioretti wrote: > On 2014-10-27 07:41, Suvayu Ali wrote: > >> I have a workaround that should let you finish your task for now, and >> let you handle the issue with dolphin later. I would suggest install >> one of the light weight filemanagers where the sorting is lik

Re: Wrong sorting order in file managers of Fedora 20

2014-10-27 Thread M. Fioretti
On 2014-10-27 07:41, Suvayu Ali wrote: I have a workaround that should let you finish your task for now, and let you handle the issue with dolphin later. I would suggest install one of the light weight filemanagers where the sorting is like ls; my recommendation: Thunar (from XFCE), or pcmanfm

Re: list of all updates

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/27/14 21:02, Ger van Dijck wrote: > > > I have a question : Is it possible to display a list of ALL updates ? > > I mean from the very beginning : So after install F20 , then the first > installed update till the last installed update. > > Yum extender displays only a part of ALL uodates. >

Re: list of all updates

2014-10-27 Thread g
On 10/27/2014 08:02 AM, Ger van Dijck wrote: Hello, I have a question : Is it possible to display a list of ALL updates? I mean from the very beginning : So after install F20 , then the first installed update till the last installed update. Yum extender displays only a part of ALL uodates.

list of all updates

2014-10-27 Thread Ger van Dijck
Hello, I have a question : Is it possible to display a list of ALL updates ? I mean from the very beginning : So after install F20 , then the first installed update till the last installed update. Yum extender displays only a part of ALL uodates. Be so kind to inform me. Ger van Dijck.