On 08.07.2014 08:28, Russell Miller wrote:
I think Greg had the right idea. *plonk*.
Mister plonk-man, this has nothing to do with Greg!
Uber hilarious!
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Poma said:
>OK that's it!
>I sincerely recommend the moderators to close this shameful thread where
certain creatures are capable of spitting on >the systemd and its
developers without any remorse!
I think Greg had the right idea. *plonk*.
To be frank, as I mentioned on another thread on anothe
On 08.07.2014 08:10, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/08/14 13:59, poma wrote:
So you do not care, but you do not hesitate to jump into the thread to provoke
Xfce users out of boredom or just for fun?
Really Ed.
Yes
Shame on you!
You really disappointed me!
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OK that's it!
I sincerely recommend the moderators to close this shameful thread where
certain creatures are capable of spitting on the systemd and its developers
without any remorse!
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On 07/08/14 13:59, poma wrote:
> So you do not care, but you do not hesitate to jump into the thread to
> provoke Xfce users out of boredom or just for fun?
> Really Ed.
Yes
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On 08.07.2014 04:06, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/08/14 09:52, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 07/07/2014 06:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
I leave it up to xfce users to determine the difference between the 2 starting
methods. :-)
If it matters, I can ask about it at the Xfce forum for you.
I thought it was cle
On 08.07.2014 02:43, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 07/07/2014 05:12 PM, poma wrote:
Thank you very much but your interpretation is unnecessary.
And please don't project your frustrations on me, and do not call on
others to do the same.
That is abusive.
If I really believed that it would be in this list's
On 07/08/14 09:52, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 07/07/2014 06:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> I leave it up to xfce users to determine the difference between the 2
>> starting methods. :-)
>
> If it matters, I can ask about it at the Xfce forum for you.
I thought it was clear that it matters not to me. If
On 07/07/2014 06:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
I leave it up to xfce users to determine the difference between the 2 starting
methods. :-)
If it matters, I can ask about it at the Xfce forum for you.
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On 07/07/14 22:44, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent:
>> Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something?
> Because *I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into *my* computer, logged in as
> *myself*...
>
> If I have to be root, or gain root privileges, to do such a basic
> r
lee writes:
Tom Horsley writes:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:27:53 +0200
lee wrote:
Debian and centos use sysvinit; I don't know what others use.
Not for long.
Debian says that wheezy comes with it[1], yet it didn't (other than
perhaps as an option) as I can see from what I have installed.
On 07/07/2014 05:15 PM, lee wrote:
Tim writes:
>Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent:
>>Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something?
>
>Because*I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into*my* computer, logged in as
>*myself*...
That doesn't mean that you should be allowed to mo
On 07/07/2014 05:12 PM, poma wrote:
Thank you very much but your interpretation is unnecessary.
And please don't project your frustrations on me, and do not call on
others to do the same.
That is abusive.
If I really believed that it would be in this list's best interests to
have you moderated
On 07/07/2014 04:47 PM, lee wrote:
Glenn Holmer writes:
>On 07/07/2014 04:34 AM, lee wrote:
>>The authors of systemd don't even understand what "disabled" means.
>
>A pretty bold statement. Disabled means the same thing it does in
>sysvinit: the service won't start at boot time.
But it migh
Tim writes:
> Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent:
>> Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something?
>
> Because *I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into *my* computer, logged in as
> *myself*...
That doesn't mean that you should be allowed to mount it when you're not
root. And yo
Glenn Holmer writes:
> On 07/07/2014 04:34 AM, lee wrote:
>> The authors of systemd don't even understand what "disabled" means.
>
> A pretty bold statement. Disabled means the same thing it does in
> sysvinit: the service won't start at boot time.
But it might start any time later because it's
Tom Horsley writes:
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:27:53 +0200
> lee wrote:
>
>> Debian and centos use sysvinit; I don't know what others use.
>
> Not for long.
Debian says that wheezy comes with it[1], yet it didn't (other than
perhaps as an option) as I can see from what I have installed. It would
Patrick O'Callaghan writes:
> BTW, I am a technical user (i.e. I'm more technically inclined than most
> people and less so than some), but I object to that being used as a
> crutch by people who don't take the trouble to write clearly. Writing
> clear documentation is just as hard as writing goo
On 08.07.2014 01:39, Joe Zeff wrote:
You do understand, don't you, that he's just publicly killfiled you and
that he won't be seeing your response? The only reason, BTW, that I
haven't done the same, yet, is because you sometimes say something
that's both relevant and useful. So far, your sign
On 07/07/2014 04:16 PM, poma wrote:
On 08.07.2014 01:15, Greg KH wrote:
*plonk*
And people tend to say systmed developers are rude. :)
Thanks Greg!
You do understand, don't you, that he's just publicly killfiled you and
that he won't be seeing your response? The only reason, BTW, that
And people tend to say systmed developers are rude. :)
s/systmed/systemd/
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On 08.07.2014 01:15, Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:08:48AM +0200, poma wrote:
On 08.07.2014 00:53, David Benfell wrote:
poma writes:
What is the "sediment" in the thread context?
I suspect the word that was meant here is 'sentiment'.
Yeah it comes to mind, but then what would
On 08.07.2014 01:11, Greg KH wrote:
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 12:50:08AM +0200, poma wrote:
On 08.07.2014 00:00, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote:
It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline
kernel.
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-Ma
On 08.07.2014 00:53, David Benfell wrote:
poma writes:
What is the "sediment" in the thread context?
I suspect the word that was meant here is 'sentiment'.
Yeah it comes to mind, but then what would be the "sentiment" in the thread
context?
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On 08.07.2014 00:57, David Benfell wrote:
poma writes:
For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus.
It's beyond your comprehension.
Fascinating.
Indeed.
Tom tends to call a "fungus" everything he does not like. :)
BTW you sound like Spock. :)
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On 08.07.2014 00:46, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote:
For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus.
It's beyond your comprehension.
We're done here.
poc
We!? :)
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poma writes:
For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus.
It's beyond your comprehension.
Fascinating.
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What is the "sediment" in the thread context?
I suspect the word that was meant here is 'sentiment'.
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On 08.07.2014 00:00, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote:
It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline
kernel.
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html
This thread showcases once more the all-dominating and rude
attitudes of som
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote:
> For you Roquefort will always be just a fungus.
> It's beyond your comprehension.
We're done here.
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On 07/07/14 15:00, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote:
It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline
kernel.
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html
This thread showcases once more the all-dominating and rude
attitudes of some
On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote:
> It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline
> kernel.
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html
This thread showcases once more the all-dominating and rude
attitudes of some of the systemd devs. At least, the k
On 07/06/2014 05:16 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
Currently, I have a project that I build on Fedora systems that uses syslinux
to boot from CD or USB. I've only found stuff that mentions Ubuntu, Arch,
and some other distro on building EFI option, but even then it is talking about
patched versi
On 07.07.2014 19:24, Steven Stern wrote:
I'm getting frequent kernel oops in F20, but my kernel is "tainted" so
abrpt won't report it. /proc/sys/kernel/tainted has a value of "512".
What do I do?
...
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelBugTriage#Bugs_with_TAINTED_modules
https://support.google
On 07.07.2014 20:38, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:17:49 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I see it all now. The people who complain that they don't understand the
terminology are lazy or ignorant or have an agenda. There's no way any
of the responsibility for that lies with the docs
On 07/07/14 13:39, Heinz Diehl wrote:
But keep in mind that there are alternatives. Thus, systemd isn't
unavoidable. I'm permitting myself to mention that I've been
using openrc on my Arch machine quite some time, and it works great..
It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into th
On 06.07.2014, Balint Szigeti wrote:
> The only reason that I wanted to reach, make the system(s) better if we
> don't get rid of it.
But keep in mind that there are alternatives. Thus, systemd isn't
unavoidable. I'm permitting myself to mention that I've been
using openrc on my Arch machine qu
On 07/07/14 22:11, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 07/07/2014 03:51 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 07/07/14 21:13, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I
On 07/07/2014 03:51 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 07/07/14 21:13, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but
everytime I start
yumex, it checks for updates. Then I
On 07/07/14 21:13, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start
yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait
again as
On 07/07/2014 02:59 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but
everytime I start
yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available'
and wait
again as it does its think before I get the list of
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start
yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait
again as it does its think before I get the list of all apps so I can search for
whatever I am look
On 07/07/14 20:28, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I start
yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available' and wait
again as it does its think before I get the list of all apps so I can search for
whatever I am look
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:17:49 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I see it all now. The people who complain that they don't understand the
> terminology are lazy or ignorant or have an agenda. There's no way any
> of the responsibility for that lies with the docs themselves. Why didn't
> I realize t
In preferences I have unchecked 'autocheck for updates', but everytime I
start yumex, it checks for updates. Then I have to click on 'Available'
and wait again as it does its think before I get the list of all apps so
I can search for whatever I am looking for. Quite a rather unpleasant
exper
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:11 +0200, poma wrote:
> >> You do not understand your own terminology!? :)
> >
> > Yeah sure, that's what I meant. Not.
> >
> > poc
> >
>
> You see, you expect systemd to be understandable, however you alone
> weren't understandable here. :)
Seriously? The only person who
I'm getting frequent kernel oops in F20, but my kernel is "tainted" so
abrpt won't report it. /proc/sys/kernel/tainted has a value of "512".
What do I do?
It seems to be a windowing problem related to Chrome, but also occurs if
I'm doing stuff with bluetooth. Here's the latest:
On 07/07/2014 01:10 PM, David Benfell wrote:
> Adrian Sevcenco writes:
>>
>> moreover you can separately configure a service without modifying the
>> .service file (which usually is linked in /etc/systemd) :
>
> Possibly my information is out of date. I thought you were to put such
> service files
Hey all,
Got an issue I want to get thoughts/opinions on.
I currently mirror Fedora releases, updates, rawhide, etc...But on the
releases, that is the problem. Fedora has a few directories to mirror
and not sure which scenario to use.
1 - I currently mirror the *whole kit and kaboodle* direct
Rich,
if you mean 3 months for 1.2.11.30, then i might consider building this for my
test environment - which is somewhat active. If you think this would be
helpful.
/mrg
On Jul 7, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Rich Megginson wrote:
> On 07/03/2014 05:13 PM, Timothy Pollard wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jul 20
Allegedly, on or about 06 July 2014, lee sent:
> Why would anyone but root be allowed to mount something?
Because *I* put a CD, DVD, USB drive, into *my* computer, logged in as
*myself*...
If I have to be root, or gain root privileges, to do such a basic
requirement, these days, then security is
On 07.07.2014 14:21, Joachim Backes wrote:
On 07/07/2014 01:06 PM, poma wrote:
On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote:
Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card
(DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen
during boot after some boot progr
On 07.07.2014 13:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 04:39 +0200, poma wrote:
On 06.07.2014 16:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 15:32 +0200, poma wrote:
I repeat that I am not attacking systemd here, I'm criticizing the
way
it's described. It may seem per
On 07/07/2014 04:34 AM, lee wrote:
> The authors of systemd don't even understand what "disabled" means.
A pretty bold statement. Disabled means the same thing it does in
sysvinit: the service won't start at boot time.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_do_I_start.2Fstop_or_enable.2Fdisab
On 07/07/2014 01:06 PM, poma wrote:
> On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card
>> (DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen
>> during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm logi
On 07/07/2014 01:06 PM, poma wrote:
> On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card
>> (DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen
>> during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm logi
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:27:53 +0200
lee wrote:
> Debian and centos use sysvinit; I don't know what others use.
Not for long.
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:16:52 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Writing
> clear documentation is just as hard as writing good code.
I disagree, it is actually much harder :-).
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On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 04:39 +0200, poma wrote:
> On 06.07.2014 16:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 15:32 +0200, poma wrote:
> >>> I repeat that I am not attacking systemd here, I'm criticizing the
> >> way
> >>> it's described. It may seem perfectly clear to those who alread
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 04:57 +0200, poma wrote:
> On 06.07.2014 22:12, David Benfell wrote:
> > poma writes:
> >>
> >> You can propose your terminology.
> >>
> > You're asking him to do Poettering's technical writing when he isn't even
> > sure he understands Poettering correctly.
> >
> > Not only i
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 11:07 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 10:38:16AM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > Garry T. Williams wrote:
> >
> > > There are a slew of references on the 'Net
> >
> > Then give one ...
>
> Or if you could share your slides from the talk you gave, that wo
Kevin Fenzi writes:
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2014 13:25:42 -0500 (CDT)
> Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, lee wrote:
>>
>> > Joe Zeff writes:
>> >
>> >> On 07/06/2014 12:43 AM, lee wrote:
>> >>> Not even the configuration files are where they belong.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, they're exactl
"Garry T. Williams" writes:
> On 7-6-14 10:39:11 lee wrote:
>> "Garry T. Williams" writes:
>> > The analogy is placing a script in /etc/init.d and then linking
>> > its name in the /etc/rc5.d directory.
>> >
>> > I find this much simpler than the sysvinit schemes.
>>
>> You have taken well over
Michael Hennebry writes:
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>>
>> What systemd config files are under /var?
>
> I don't know. I thought lee did.
It has some files in /var, too, whatever those are. It's all over the
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Ahmad Samir writes:
> On 06/07/14 18:44, lee wrote:
>> Kevin Fenzi writes:
> [...]
>>>
>>> yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
>>>
>>> used to do it. It would still be installed, but not loaded/used.
>>
>> Hm, yes, I could actually remove it without removing anything else,
>> thank you! Finally!
Bill Oliver writes:
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, David Benfell wrote:
>
>>
>> So in your view, I have no right to object to his behavior but you have a
>> right to object to my objection?
>>
>> Something ain't right there.
>
> Some things are above criticism. It's important that you know your place.
Sam Varshavchik writes:
> David Benfell writes:
>
>> Systemd needs to be a vast improvement to justify this. And it seems
>> that not everyone even agrees that it's an improvement at all.
>
> Here's something that I can't figure out: with this entire thread in
> mind, why is all of this is being
Ed Greshko writes:
> On 07/07/14 08:38, David Benfell wrote:
>> Ed Greshko writes:
>>>
>>> Usually, 99% of the time?, objections to a person's behavior is a direct
>>> result of exchanges on this list. I can't recall another instance where
>>> someone has taken issue with another who isn't on
Kevin Fenzi writes:
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 18:18:46 +0200
> lee wrote:
>
>> Kevin Fenzi writes:
>>
>> > On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 09:52:24 +0200
>> > lee wrote:
>> >
>> >> Kevin Fenzi writes:
>> >>
>> >> > output. With systemd/journald, ALL output is saved and easy to
>> >> > query.
>> >>
>> >>
Russell Miller writes:
> On Jul 6, 2014, at 5:33 PM, David Benfell wrote:
>
>> Rolf Turner writes:
>>>
>>> The difference is that Olav is polite and you are abusive.
>>
>> If you regard what I say as abusive, then you should, perhaps, be
>> challenging this entire thread, which impugns the mo
Glenn Holmer writes:
> But when someone replies to that by saying that systemd is broken
> because "a shepherd is not a sheep", well... that's just splitting
> grammatical hairs to try and prove that the documentation is obtuse.
Then you haven't thought far enough. The documentation is poorly
w
Patrick O'Callaghan writes:
> On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 13:01 -0700, David Benfell wrote:
>> *What*, for example, is "the usual meaning" of "file system objects?"
>> A
>> file? Why not just say "file?" And if the documentation really means
>> files
>> or pipes or devices, then why not say "files
On 07.07.2014 12:11, Joachim Backes wrote:
Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card
(DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen
during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm login
screen.
The primary F20 system was install
Problem description: replacing my ati video card (DVI) by a nvidia card
(DVI too) generates problems: almost unreadable (flickering) screen
during boot after some boot progress (even without rhgb), no gdm login
screen.
The primary F20 system was installed with the ati card.
Running "dracut --forc
Adrian Sevcenco writes:
moreover you can separately configure a service without modifying the
.service file (which usually is linked in /etc/systemd) :
Possibly my information is out of date. I thought you were to put such
service files in /etc/systemd/system and systemctl looks here first w
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 10:38:16AM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Garry T. Williams wrote:
>
> > There are a slew of references on the 'Net
>
> Then give one ...
Or if you could share your slides from the talk you gave, that would be
nice. I sincerely would like to understand systemd, and so fa
On 07/06/2014 07:45 PM, lee wrote:
> Joe Zeff writes:
>
>> On 07/06/2014 12:43 AM, lee wrote:
>>> Not even the configuration files are where they belong.
>>
>> Actually, they're exactly where they belong. They just aren't where
>> you expect them to be.
>
> They belong under /etc, not hidden so
Garry T. Williams wrote:
> There are a slew of references on the 'Net
Then give one ...
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On 7 July 2014 00:33, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> I am looking for a simple amplifer program.
>>
>> I have looked at audacity, but I would have to be 'recording' to get
>> 'playthrough'. There is supposedly a .vst plugin, but I have not
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