Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 16:17:43 -0700 Pete Travis wrote: > > The debate on default policy is best left to my betters, but as I said > earlier today, I will write something about the journal and > journalctl in the near future. > > --Pete It would be most appreciated, By someone "man dead" like mys

Re: dnf update -

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:07:24 -0500 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > As I just noted in devel list, my understanding is that the end > result will continue to be called yum. I certainly hope that is the > case > > Rahul I hope you don't mean dnf will obsolete yum, if someone actually needs "yum" until d

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 08:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/03/2014 09:28 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: If it's just going to be the same old thing then why bother? It's new, it's different, it's *shiny!* For some people, that's all that matters. It's built on top of a scalable, fast and smart depsolver (libso

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

Chris Murphy colorremedies.com> writes: > > > On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:42 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" homer.se> wrote: > > > On 01/02/2014 11:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Yes, all critical notifications are supposed to stay persistent. That > >> is the right model to alert desktop users about

Re: gnome 3 vs kde

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:16:00 -0500 William Biggs wrote: > I would like to know witch one would you use and why gnome 3 or kde ? And I would like to know which one would you eat and why --- chocolate or strawberry? :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: NetworkManager

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 01:37:18 +0100 Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > > > The items there reflect what is in the GUI configuration. > > Where is the GUI configuration? Just to help out Ed's explanation --- you seem to be confusing the GUI for the NetworkManager and the GUI for the con

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

> Chris Murphy writes: > Now there will be some additional users talking to upstream > developers to incorporate better means of notification rather > than depending on emails that obviously aren't being seen by most > peopel anyway, Was there actually a poll taken about who is using mail on th

Re: NetworkManager

And, just for some additional info, I have added the "Access Point MAC address" to the list of information to be supplied by highlighting it on the left side list and then clicking on the right arrow to shift it to the right side list. The result is https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H9v1dY

Re: upgrade to F19: now dhcpd works then fails

On 01/02/2014 01:31 PM, Sean Darcy wrote: Just upgraded from 18 > 19. dhcpd works, for a while and then stops recognizing DCHP requests. On restart, it works again. Here I start tailing /var/log/messages: Jan 2 11:57:00 new-gateway systemd-logind[316]: New session 6 of user root. No dhcp log

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/04/14 08:37, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> You are *not* supposed to see anything when you click on the items in that >> large window. The entries *define* what fields are to be *shown* when the >> status is displayed. Look at the very lower right of the screen where the >>

Re: gnome 3 vs kde

On 01/04/2014 03:16 AM, William Biggs wrote: I would like to know witch one would you use and why gnome 3 or kde ? It comes down to personal perference so just download the Fedora 20 GNOME 3 and KDE livecd's you would like to see and boot them on a pc. It will not touch any data on the pc unl

gnome 3 vs kde

I would like to know witch one would you use and why gnome 3 or kde ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelin

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >> What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we >> have these other future notification mechanisms ready? > > *Exactly* Please, SNMP has been around since 1988. Gnome h

Re: dnf update -

Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:50:50 -0500 Rahul Sundaram kirjoitti: > Hi > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > > > > > There is an ongoing discussion on devel@ group about dnf being 100% > > compatible with yum. Some people say that it should behave exactly > > like yum (I think i

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 06:32:43PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Now there will be some additional users talking to upstream developers >> to incorporate better means of notification rather than depending on >> emails that obviously aren't bein

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:30 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/04/2014 02:10 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Exactly, it's about expectations. As an alternative OS, Fedora simply cannot >> depend on some 30 year old archaic user hostile way of unsuccessfully >> "delivering" supposedly important sy

F20 NetworkManager bridged br0 firewalld & dhcp not getting through?

Hi, Best wishes for 2014! I'm using Fedora 20 with a bridged connection br0 which I assume should forward the DHCP requests from the VMs running on this box. Unfortunately firewalld seems to block the DHCP requests from the VMs although in firewall-config I have enabled DHCP in the 'permanent

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we have these other future notification mechanisms ready? *Exactly* Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson http://www.sm6rpz.se/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 06:32:43PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Now there will be some additional users talking to upstream developers > to incorporate better means of notification rather than depending on > emails that obviously aren't being seen by most peopel anyway, but now > with Fedora 20

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:27:05PM +, Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Suvayu Ali >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: Clearly it is. Most users don't know about this behavior.

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/04/2014 02:10 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: Exactly, it's about expectations. As an alternative OS, Fedora simply cannot depend on some 30 year old archaic user hostile way of unsuccessfully "delivering" supposedly important system messages. It's just absurd. And that cannot be fixed by someho

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 12:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_announcement#No_Default_Sendmail.2C_Syslog >> >> Rahul, as long as we have applications th

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> >>> Clearly it is. Most users don't know about this behavior. And it's >>> also not done at all on iOS, Android, Windows, OS X.

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 01:56:33PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: > On Jan 3, 2014 1:16 PM, "Suvayu Ali" wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 09:07:29PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: > > > > > > $ su -c 'crontab -l' > > > * * * * * echo "TEST TEST" > > > $ crontab -l > > > * * * * LARSHAPPY="no"; if [[ "$LA

Re: NetworkManager

Ed Greshko wrote: > You are *not* supposed to see anything when you click on the items in that > large window. The entries *define* what fields are to be *shown* when the > status is displayed. Look at the very lower right of the screen where the > status is being displayed from the systray. No

Re: en.mo.gz not found/invalid magic number - UPDATE

On 1/3/2014 17:12, Don Levey wrote: > In my research I've not yet seen anything for Fedora about this, and > certainly not the combination of two errors. I'll try to be as complete > as possible... I have managed to create a LiveUSB stick for F20. I can see the /boot partition, and can see direc

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 08:32 PM, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: Rahul, as long as we have applications that do send mail, we need an MTA to take care of these mails, or else they are totally lost. Or at least let those applications have a requirement of a MTA so

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 09:56 PM, Pete Travis wrote: > > $ journalctl SYSLOG_IDENTIFIER=CROND -f #filtered for convenience > > How do you know which IDENTIFIER to use? I could guess it should be > CROND if I were to look at the output of journalctl in this case; but is > there any canonical way to f

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014 4:12 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > > On 01/03/2014 06:31 PM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> On Jan 3, 2014 4:08 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" > > wrote: >> > >> > On 01/03/2014 05:07 AM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> >> >> I think there was some misunderstanding here.

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 06:31 PM, Pete Travis wrote: On Jan 3, 2014 4:08 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" mailto:l...@homer.se>> wrote: > > On 01/03/2014 05:07 AM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> I think there was some misunderstanding here. If you can't find your >> cronjob output in the journal, *your* cron is bro

Fedora 20 Live stick install fails

I am trying to run a Fedora 20 Live stick on my system and the graphics is failing, probably due to my NVidia graphics card. I can get it to boot into single user mode but then I don't know what file(s) to modify to get into a "safe" graphics mode. I am hoping for a pointer to more recent docs than

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > Indeed, looking at the source is the only way to get this information. > It is a bit ridiculous I think, all this hoopla about making it easier > for the non-technical user, and then the useful docs happen to be in a > header file owned by g

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On 14-01-03 15:40:11, Suvayu Ali wrote: > Hi Tony, > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:16:07PM -0500, Tony Nelson wrote: ... > > From `man 3 syslog`, , so `locate syslog` and: > > > > /usr/include/sys/syslog.h > > Indeed, looking at the source is the only way to get this information. > It is a bit r

en.mo.gz not found/invalid magic number

In my research I've not yet seen anything for Fedora about this, and certainly not the combination of two errors. I'll try to be as complete as possible: After a power loss, I was unable to reboot my desktop machine (Dell Dimension E521 running F19). Upon first hitting grub, I received large num

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:09:58 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Well we will see how it goes. I will let you know. > Just trying to figure out where the problems are coming for you. > ergo no mail attempted? attempted, but not delivered. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mail

Re: dnf update -

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > > My understanding of drop-in replacement is 100% compatibility but maybe > I am wrong. I think that is a wrong assumption, yes. If no one asked for 100% compat why all that noise about dnf > not handling some cases identically

Re: dnf update -

On 03.01.2014 19:50, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > > > There is an ongoing discussion on devel@ group about dnf being 100% > compatible with yum. Some people say that it should behave exactly like > yum (I think including al

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/04/14 00:51, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >>> The window I get after right clicking on the KDE NM-applet >>> and then on Network Management Settings - >>> the window whose contents I do not understand - >>> has a Help tab, but this brings up the Plasma manual, >>> which does no

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/04/14 00:53, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> I think this illustrates what I think you're seeing. >> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H9v1dYNcvpX2FuQ3F5OEhjeTA/edit?usp=sharing > > Indeed. > Do you consider this display self-explanatory? > Yes. It was intuitively ob

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014 1:16 PM, "Suvayu Ali" wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > You seem to be well-versed with journalctl. I hope you don't mind my > asking a few questions. > Sure. I rearranged some things when composing, and as I review, I see I did so poorly... > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 09:07:29PM -0700, Pete

Re: NetworkManager

On 03.01.2014 18:35, Rick Stevens wrote: > I can guess. The windows are labeled "Available Details" and "Details to > Show". If you select an item in the left window and then click on the > arrow pointing to the right, then that detail moves into the "Details to > Show" window. Conversely, select

Re: Fedora 20 install - can I revert to the old installer?

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 12:49:46PM -0700, CS DBA wrote: > Is there a way to install Fedora 20 and force it to use the old > installer, which gave me more control per installing multiple GUI's, > etc? No -- Fedora installers are tightly linked to the version being installed. I suggest one of two th

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

Hi Tony, On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 10:16:07PM -0500, Tony Nelson wrote: > On 14-01-02 20:12:28, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:52:01PM +, Tom H wrote: > ... > > > That SYSLOG_FACILITY has to be a number is from > > > systemd.jounal-fields(7). > > > > No, I mean which number c

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:27:05PM +, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> Clearly it is. Most users don't know about this behavior. And it's > >> also not done at all on iOS, Android, Wi

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On 01/03/2014 12:00 PM, Powell, Michael wrote: The system boot screen did indicate it was initiating / building akmods, but I may not have let it sit long enough. When I manually build the akmod it doesn't take longer than 2m and I'm almost certain I've let it sit longer at boot. If it happens

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

Hi Pete, You seem to be well-versed with journalctl. I hope you don't mind my asking a few questions. On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 09:07:29PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: > > $ su -c 'crontab -l' > * * * * * echo "TEST TEST" > $ crontab -l > * * * * LARSHAPPY="no"; if [[ "$LARSHAPPY" == "no" ]]; then

RE: akmod isn't reliable

> I think it is reliable, you just need to wait it out. The rebuilding of > akmod is being done for a given kernel while that kernel is running, so > when you update the kernel, the akmod doesn't get built until you boot > into it. And when you boot into it, systemd will at some point try to > acti

Fedora 20 install - can I revert to the old installer?

Hi All; Is there a way to install Fedora 20 and force it to use the old installer, which gave me more control per installing multiple GUI's, etc? Thanks in advance -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:01:26AM +, Tom H wrote: >> >> Via google: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Rsyslog > > Thank you Tom. As ever, Gentoo & Arch has the best documentation again! You're welcome. They do have excellent documentation! But

Re: dnf update -

On 1/3/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/03/2014 09:28 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: >> If it's just going to be the same old thing then why bother? > > It's new, it's different, it's *shiny!* For some people, that's all > that matters. You missed - I'm so afraid!! :-) -- David -- users

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 12:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_announcement#No_Default_Sendmail.2C_Syslog > > Rahul, as long as we have applications that do send mail, we need an MTA to > take care of thes

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Clearly it is. Most users don't know about this behavior. And it's >> also not done at all on iOS, Android, Windows, OS X. And it's highly >> questionable on desktop linux whethe

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: > On 01/02/2014 12:54 PM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: >>> A question, I found the following on >>> >>> >>> "dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel >>> >>> In Yum, the running kernel is

Re: dnf update -

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > Then why are they replacing yum with dnf instead of folding the > improvements into yum? > As I just noted in devel list, my understanding is that the end result will continue to be called yum. I certainly hope that is the case Rahul -- u

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 10:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: They are making yum faster. dnf is a experimental fork of yum so that the invasive changes needed to make yum more faster is done as a separate program to allow users to test and send their feedback Then why are they replacing yum with dnf instead

Re: dnf update -

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > Still, if all they end up with after all that work is a program that does > what yum does but faster, it looks like an awful lot of work for little > gain. Why not just put the time into making yum faster? > They are making yum faster. dnf

Re: dnf update -

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > > There is an ongoing discussion on devel@ group about dnf being 100% > compatible with yum. Some people say that it should behave exactly like > yum (I think including all current "bugs".) > Not a single person has ever asked for 100%

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 09:51 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: There is an ongoing discussion on devel@ group about dnf being 100% compatible with yum. Some people say that it should behave exactly like yum (I think including all current "bugs".) I don't know if you should expect any improvements in dnf oth

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 09:28 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: If it's just going to be the same old thing then why bother? It's new, it's different, it's *shiny!* For some people, that's all that matters. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https:

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 07:28 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 01/03/2014 10:58 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only o

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 12:34 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:19:16 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/bin/mailx -t" mailer = /usr/bin/mailx -s Logwatch user # where user is you. Why subject? Do you mean that I should not include -t Do

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 01/03/2014 12:43 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Tim > wrote: Allegedly, on or about 01 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent: > I might find "hibernate" on my own: why would a user use this command > rather tha

Re: dnf update -

On 03.01.2014 18:28, Kevin Martin wrote: > On 01/03/2014 10:58 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >>> On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE syst

Re: suspend or hibernate

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 01 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent: > > I might find "hibernate" on my own: why would a user use this command > > rather than saving and booting up? and How does it know that to > > look for the memory? > > In my case, it was

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/03/2014 08:43 AM, Timothy Murphy issued this missive: poma wrote: On 03.01.2014 14:10, Timothy Murphy wrote: Is there a Fedora pastebin that will take a short-term PNG file? http://goo.gl/OlWp1U Thank you very much. The window I get when I right-click on my KDE NM-applet, and the cl

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:19:16 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >> so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf > >> mailer = "/usr/bin/mailx -t" > > mailer = /usr/bin/mailx -s Logwatch user # where user is you. > > Why subject? >Do you mean that I should not include -t Don't include -t >which seem

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 01:27 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Somewhere I encountered that .forward was deprecated even back in f17, > and I had to stop using it and rely on editing /etc/aliases and running > newaliases. My /root/.forward works perfectly fine here in F20. I forward all root mail to my regu

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014 4:08 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > > On 01/03/2014 05:07 AM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> I think there was some misunderstanding here. If you can't find your >> cronjob output in the journal, *your* cron is broken. > > > Default installation: > > [root@tux ~]# rpm -V cronie > [root

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 12:27 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/03/2014 12:06 PM, Steven Stern wrote: Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. /home/sdstern/.forward contains \r...@sterndata.co

Dual boot Windows 8.1 Pro and Fedora 20

Hello everybody , I have a problem : Laptop Dell 17 R model 3721 ,disk 1Tb , mem 8 Gb , vga : Radeon 8730 m and Intel 4000 hd. I did fresh install Windows 8.1. Pro : No problems everyting runs fine. Therafter I did fresh install Fedora 20 (Mate , all groups) : Runs perfectly fine , but when

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 10:58 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: >>> On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only once has this produced an up

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 12:06 PM, Steven Stern wrote: Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. /home/sdstern/.forward contains \r...@sterndata.com which is a valid, external email account but mai

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 12:03 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/03/2014 11:34 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/03/2014 11:21 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: And the mai

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 11:49 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:29:20 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 11:06 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into > space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. > > /home/sdstern/.forward contains > > \r...@sterndata.com > > which is a valid, external email acc

sendmail ignoring .forward?

Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. /home/sdstern/.forward contains \r...@sterndata.com which is a valid, external email account but mail sent to "sdstern" goes to "sdst...@sterndata.

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/03/2014 11:34 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On 01/03/2014 11:21 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> And the mail is failing. Here is what I have

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only once has this produced an update for me: [root@box10 bobg]# dnf update Resolving dependencies

Re: NetworkManager

Ed Greshko wrote: > I think this illustrates what I think you're seeing. > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H9v1dYNcvpX2FuQ3F5OEhjeTA/edit?usp=sharing Indeed. Do you consider this display self-explanatory? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trini

Re: NetworkManager

Ed Greshko wrote: >> The window I get after right clicking on the KDE NM-applet >> and then on Network Management Settings - >> the window whose contents I do not understand - >> has a Help tab, but this brings up the Plasma manual, >> which does not appear to contain anything relevant. > I don'

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:29:20 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: > > I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf > mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf > mailer = "/usr/bin/mailx -t"

Re: NetworkManager

poma wrote: > On 03.01.2014 14:10, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> Is there a Fedora pastebin that will take a short-term PNG file? > > http://goo.gl/OlWp1U Thank you very much. The window I get when I right-click on my KDE NM-applet, and the click on Network Management Settings, can be found at

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 11:21 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 10:21 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:43:21AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 09:37 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> >>> What does the following tell you? >>> >>> # journalctl -ru sendmail >>> >> >> They tell me sendmail is running. The problem is with cron,

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:13 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > With F19, I got email from cron on all jobs that produced output. I no > longer get those mails after upgrading to F20. I have verified that the > jobs are run. There are no entries in /var/log/maillog for them. Other > system tasks, not run through

Password to shutdown as user -

Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Requires a password to shut down as bobg. I've never had that problem before and not certain I had it on the initial install. It is a real annoyance ... and then it waits for "stop job is running for cups printing service," obviously I have something messed up but

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:43:21AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: > On 01/03/2014 09:37 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > > What does the following tell you? > > > > # journalctl -ru sendmail > > > > They tell me sendmail is running. The problem is with cron, not sendmail I asked that to see whether s

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: > > I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf mailer > = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.c

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:50 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 04:39 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> $ crontab -l > > I had only root do cron stuff, but set up a small cronjob for my own > user. That mail went through without a hitch. So it is probably not > related to who is running cron, root or a

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On 03/01/14 09:53, Ales Kozumplik wrote: Hey Bob, that's expected: http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/01/02/dnf-update-and-yum-update-produce-different-output/ Ales Ok, at least I'm not causing the problem, will continue doing yum updates then. Thanks, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Bo

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:13:37 -0600 Steven Stern wrote: > With F19, I got email from cron on all jobs that produced output. I > no longer get those mails after upgrading to F20. I have verified > that the jobs are run. There are no entries in /var/log/maillog for > them. Other system tasks, not

after upgrade to fedora 20 error with grub file missing

Hi, after upgrading fedora 19 with fedora 20, i got the following error message with grub is loading: Welcome to GRUB! error: file '/grub2/locale/en.mo.gz' not found how is it possible after using fedup --network 20 to upgrade (in VMWare worstation) ? thx -- users mailing list users@list

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 04:39 PM, Steven Stern wrote: $ crontab -l I had only root do cron stuff, but set up a small cronjob for my own user. That mail went through without a hitch. So it is probably not related to who is running cron, root or an ordinary user. Could there, for some reason, be that y

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 04:22 PM, Steven Stern wrote: It's an upgrade. Sendmail is installed, enabled, and working. Ah, OK. I also have an upgraded system, and I also have the same lines in the crontab file, so I think it should just work. Strange. What is the output of 'systemctl -l status crond.servi

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:01:26AM +, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:52:01PM +, Tom H wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Suvayu Ali > >> wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 03:20:38AM +, Tom H wrote: > >>>

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:37 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:22:17AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 09:16 AM, Steve Searle wrote: >>> Around 03:13pm on Friday, January 03, 2014 (UK time), Steven Stern wrote: >>> Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? >

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:30 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 04:22 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> It's an upgrade. Sendmail is installed, enabled, and working. > > Ah, OK. I also have an upgraded system, and I also have the same lines > in the crontab file, so I think it should just work. Strange

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:22:17AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: > On 01/03/2014 09:16 AM, Steve Searle wrote: > > Around 03:13pm on Friday, January 03, 2014 (UK time), Steven Stern wrote: > > > >> Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? > > > > Check if you have sendmail installed

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:19 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 04:13 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? > > Is it an upgraded system or a new install? If it is a new install > sendmail is no longer installed, so you have to install it yourself.

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Hi! I have a strange problem with yumex in fedora 20 : the user interaction window (like when i am asked for confirmation for installation of packages) does not display any text .. i can blind click the yes button and works but it is annoying ... Has anyone noticed this? f20 up to date the yumex i

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