Re: importance of upgradeability

2013-07-17 Thread lee
Fernando Lozano writes: > Imagine a bunch of desktops (or developer workstations) being upgraded > using fedup. Their software would be very similar. > > And my idea is that fedup would download from the net anything missing > (or newer) than the lan cache, so different configurations would be >

please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

2013-07-17 Thread lee
inode0 writes: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry > wrote: >> This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. > > Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please > don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing > th

Re: Linux RAID

2013-07-17 Thread Mike Dwiggins
Thanks for the help! Those look like what I need! Mike D On 7/17/2013 7:11 AM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: On 07/17/2013 02:33 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Can anyone point me to a good tutorial on Software Raid in Fedora? I Do a google search on: fedora raid mdadm ... and you'll find plenty of them

Re: How 2 view apple movie trailers using F19

2013-07-17 Thread Fred Smith
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:13:28PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 07/17/2013 01:02 PM, Fred Smith issued this missive: > >On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:14:19AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>On 07/17/2013 11:02 AM, Fred Smith issued this missive: > >>>Hi all! > >>> > >>>I'm really stumped here. I've

Re: Scanner not working

2013-07-17 Thread fedora
what about scanimage -L suomi On 2013-07-18 03:47, Frank wrote: My Canon scanner used to work with Fedora 19 Beta and Fedora 18 but it seems my fresh 19 installation is not co-operating. lsussb sees it : Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread jarmo
Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:20:22 +0200 Reindl Harald kirjoitti: > > that i have a lot of knowledge and don't give too > much to always be the nice guy? Quess not that knowledge about those STRONG swear words, what Linus uses every now and then? That is only difference :D :D. You learn those Finnish S

Re: How to setup dhcp server under Fedora 19 ?

2013-07-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/18/13 09:31, Gregory Hosler wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems that dnsmasq is running under Fedora 19, and it manages the dns/dhcp > for the virtual environment. > > So, how does one get either dhcpd or another copy of dnsmasq, or, > /etc/dnsmasq.d/*conf to either play or integrate with the runni

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 06:59:06PM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > What gotchas, out of curiosity? > I've always done this with `usermod -aG group user`. Would that also > be affected? That's fine too. -a didn't aways exist, which made it painful, because you had to get the current list and re

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > system-config-users seems to be still available. It's moderately > user-friendly. From the command line, I think 'gpasswd groupname -a > username' is the easiest. (You can use groupmod, but it's got some gotchas > with behavior where gpasswd

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:07:13AM +0930, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 17 July 2013, Matthew Miller sent: > > Type "groups" without your username to show your _current_ groups -- > > remember that adding yourself to a group doesn't take effect until you > > start a new session. (E.g. by logg

Scanner not working

2013-07-17 Thread Frank
My Canon scanner used to work with Fedora 19 Beta and Fedora 18 but it seems my fresh 19 installation is not co-operating. lsussb sees it : Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:000

laptop runs hot on Fedora 19

2013-07-17 Thread Gregory Hosler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, since installing Fedora 19 (previously running 16), I am noticing that my laptop is running significantly hotter than under, say, Fedora 16. As a confirmation, I rebooted into Fedora 16, and sure enough, it does run quite a bit cooler. Dell

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 17 July 2013, Matthew Miller sent: > Type "groups" without your username to show your _current_ groups -- > remember that adding yourself to a group doesn't take effect until you > start a new session. (E.g. by logging out and in again.) Or opening a new terminal? Darned i

How to setup dhcp server under Fedora 19 ?

2013-07-17 Thread Gregory Hosler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, It seems that dnsmasq is running under Fedora 19, and it manages the dns/dhcp for the virtual environment. So, how does one get either dhcpd or another copy of dnsmasq, or, /etc/dnsmasq.d/*conf to either play or integrate with the running dns

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 16 July 2013, Craig White sent: > multiple threads originated by Reindl Harald on the topic of > etiquette? It's how the perpetrator transforms themselves into the victim. And it appears that they've virtually succeeded. -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread eoconno...@gmail.com
True..and why do you keep insisting you are/were rude?if that is how you express yourself.then so be it. I said it beforeand I'll repeatI come here SEEKING the knowledge YOU possess.not your "manners"LoL!(ooopppsss!sorryforgot about the LoL's!) - Repl

Re: photo viewer & organizer for MATE: gthumb or shotwell or ...

2013-07-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 00:20 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: > On 18 July 2013 00:03, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > > poma wrote: > >> On 17.07.2013 23:41, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > >> > >>> … Or, maybe > >>> there is/are other programs, better/more suitable for this? > >> > >> http://www.digikam.org/ > >>

Re: photo viewer & organizer for MATE: gthumb or shotwell or ...

2013-07-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 July 2013 00:03, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > poma wrote: >> On 17.07.2013 23:41, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: >> >>> … Or, maybe >>> there is/are other programs, better/more suitable for this? >> >> http://www.digikam.org/ >> >> poma > > You recommend skip over F19+ and jump directly to windows?

Re: photo viewer & organizer for MATE: gthumb or shotwell or ...

2013-07-17 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
poma wrote: > On 17.07.2013 23:41, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > >> … Or, maybe >> there is/are other programs, better/more suitable for this? > > http://www.digikam.org/ > > poma You recommend skip over F19+ and jump directly to windows? IMO it is unacceptable, they are horrible reactionaries and

Re: photo viewer & organizer for MATE: gthumb or shotwell or ...

2013-07-17 Thread poma
On 17.07.2013 23:41, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > … Or, maybe > there is/are other programs, better/more suitable for this? http://www.digikam.org/ poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/l

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette" (LOL-only posts)

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 20:53, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: > I have been "watching" these emails pile up and when I open themthey're > just comments and opinions. If there's > is no "knowledge" being dispensed with this thread can it be closed?...or > taken off-list? just a humble request > asked i

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 21:43, schrieb Carroll Grigsby: > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:53:18 -0400 > "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote: > >>> Big snip > >> I have been "watching" these emails pile up and when I open >> themthey're just comments and opinions. If there's is no >> "knowledge" being dispensed with

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 21:15, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/17/2013 11:18 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> i did: "otherwise my /var/log/maillog on my workstation would not have 644" >> this is "logrotaded" - logrotate keeps the permissions/owner/group if >> not specified like below (which is my own config-piece)

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 20:53, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: > On 07/17/2013 12:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: >> Roger wrote: >>> Thank you Linus and others. >>> As I see it, this discussion has little to do with culture, nations or >>> ideologies and a lot to do with rubbishing another person or their idea

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 21:05, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > Sent to RH directly as well as through list. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 17.07.2013 17:57, schrieb Michael Hennebry: >>> This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. >> >> because i only have li

photo viewer & organizer for MATE: gthumb or shotwell or ...

2013-07-17 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Question for those familiar with photo manipulation: which program use for downloading photos from camera and organize/view them? They (my friends) want use it from Gnome2 at F14 with idea they sometime will update to F19+ and MATE desktop. As far as I know, in Fedora was preferred gThumb, now it s

Re: F19 fresh install, updated, now unavailable for an hour

2013-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/17/2013 02:01 PM, Oliver Ruebenacker issued this missive: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. I always heard "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." Something I'm intimately familiar with. Heheheheheh! -

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 23:04 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: > PS: I guess I'm not thinking straight today. This thread has plenty > of evidence to that. :-/ "Even Homer nods" (no, not *that* Homer :-) poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription option

Re: How 2 view apple movie trailers using F19

2013-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/17/2013 01:02 PM, Fred Smith issued this missive: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:14:19AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: On 07/17/2013 11:02 AM, Fred Smith issued this missive: Hi all! I'm really stumped here. I've got F17 on one netbook and with it am able to view apple movie trailers using Fire

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:59:00PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 16:18 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:59:35PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". > > > > For /var/log/messages you co

Re: F19 fresh install, updated, now unavailable for an hour

2013-07-17 Thread Oliver Ruebenacker
Hello, On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 04:01:44PM -0400, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: > > I just did a fresh install of F19 on my Lenovo Thinkpad T430, followed > by > > applying all 200+ updates and a restart. The restart led to a screen > whe

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 16:18 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:59:35PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". > > For /var/log/messages you could use `dmesg -T | less +G' instead. > > Hope this helps, That's not quite t

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:57:02PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 06:02:47PM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > Note that if you're using the systemd journal (and you are, in recent > > > Fedora, including persistent logging to disk with F19), adding yourself to > > > the 'syste

Re: F19 fresh install, updated, now unavailable for an hour

2013-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 04:01:44PM -0400, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: > I just did a fresh install of F19 on my Lenovo Thinkpad T430, followed by > applying all 200+ updates and a restart. The restart led to a screen where > I have time and date displayed in the center of the screen, with an arrow

Re: How 2 view apple movie trailers using F19

2013-07-17 Thread Fred Smith
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:14:19AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 07/17/2013 11:02 AM, Fred Smith issued this missive: > >Hi all! > > > >I'm really stumped here. I've got F17 on one netbook and with it am able > >to view apple movie trailers using Firefox. > > > >On the OTHER netbook, now with F19

F19 fresh install, updated, now unavailable for an hour

2013-07-17 Thread Oliver Ruebenacker
Hello, I just did a fresh install of F19 on my Lenovo Thinkpad T430, followed by applying all 200+ updates and a restart. The restart led to a screen where I have time and date displayed in the center of the screen, with an arrow animation appearing below it every three seconds or so. There

Re: importance of upgradeability

2013-07-17 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, Imagine if fedup worked using yum "keep cache" and then setup a http or nfs share for other machines to reuse all downloaded content. Then other machines wouldn't need to download / install anything to their local HDs before rebooting (except for the new grub, kernel and a few binaries kil

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:53:18 -0400 "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote: >> Big snip > I have been "watching" these emails pile up and when I open > themthey're just comments and opinions. If there's is no > "knowledge" being dispensed with this thread can it be closed?...or > taken off-list? just

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/17/2013 12:24 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.07.2013 21:15, schrieb Joe Zeff: I'm the only person who ever uses my laptop. If I wanted, then, I could use this to make /var/log/messages world readable for convenience. No, I'm not going to do it because unless I do it to all of my ma

Re: importance of upgradeability

2013-07-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/17/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: My ideas make sense only for repeating the processes on multiple machines. If I could download all packages / and store then in a DVD media or a shared disk beforehand, it would save time for the second machine and so. Like we can do today with the i

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/17/2013 11:18 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i did: "otherwise my /var/log/maillog on my workstation would not have 644" this is "logrotaded" - logrotate keeps the permissions/owner/group if not specified like below (which is my own config-piece) /var/log/scriptlog { missingok notifemp

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Michael Hennebry
Sent to RH directly as well as through list. On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.07.2013 17:57, schrieb Michael Hennebry: This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. because i only have little understanding in moderation that takes days and makes *a lo

Re: importance of upgradeability

2013-07-17 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, It seems to work fine now, and I like to have recent NVIDIA drivers. I don't mind upgrading twice a year when it works, and it might have the advantage that per each upgrade, not as many changes are introduced as when upgrading less frequently. Until Fedora comes with a more radical change (

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Roger K. Wells
On 07/17/2013 10:29 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Timothy Murphy said: Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files? Nope, been doing it for years. so have I. Never been a surprise or problem -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-84

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 20:08, schrieb Rick Stevens: > On 07/17/2013 08:36 AM, Reindl Harald issued this missive: >> *no they are not* >> otherwise my /var/log/maillog on my workstation would not have 644 > > The correct thing to say is "if syslog(whatever) has to CREATE the file, > it will not have world

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/17/2013 12:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Roger wrote: Thank you Linus and others. As I see it, this discussion has little to do with culture, nations or ideologies and a lot to do with rubbishing another person or their ideas for what ever reason. We are all equal, some have more knowledg

Re: How 2 view apple movie trailers using F19

2013-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/17/2013 11:02 AM, Fred Smith issued this missive: Hi all! I'm really stumped here. I've got F17 on one netbook and with it am able to view apple movie trailers using Firefox. On the OTHER netbook, now with F19, I have, AFAIK, all the same browser plugins and underlying packages installed,

Re: [389-users] Error when starting dirsrv after enabling SSL and installing keys and certificates

2013-07-17 Thread Dan Lavu
So that error usually indicates that something is wrong with the cert. Have you viewed the contents of the certificate to validate the CN, etc? openssl x509 -in $DOMAIN.crt.pem -noout -text Also I've seen instances where certificate db gets corrupted, so if everything pans out with the certific

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/17/2013 08:36 AM, Reindl Harald issued this missive: Am 17.07.2013 16:46, schrieb Suvayu Ali: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:35:46PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/17/13 22:27, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Heck, you could always make your sudo password less and you could always

How 2 view apple movie trailers using F19

2013-07-17 Thread Fred Smith
Hi all! I'm really stumped here. I've got F17 on one netbook and with it am able to view apple movie trailers using Firefox. On the OTHER netbook, now with F19, I have, AFAIK, all the same browser plugins and underlying packages installed, but the videos won't play. when clicking any of the optio

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 17:57, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. because i only have little understanding in moderation that takes days and makes *a lot* of more damage by destroy any communication as 100 rough messages ever could do > On Tu

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 15:59, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". > Is there any non-paranoiac reason for not making /var/log/ files > readable say by wheel? chown/chgrp/chmod exists [harry@rh:~]$ ls /var/log/maillog -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7,1K 2013-

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 16:46, schrieb Suvayu Ali: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:35:46PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/17/13 22:27, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>> Ed Greshko wrote: Heck, you could always make your sudo password less and you could always assign the frequently used commands aliases.

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 05:28, schrieb Craig White: > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 15:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 >> >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> >> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review >> Newsgroups: gmane.linux

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
and now you are feeling cool or smart because quote out of context by knowing that the original post comes after your asnwer by moderation? Am 16.07.2013 23:21, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 16.07.2013 20:47, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > >>> How about

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.07.2013 20:47, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 >> >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> >> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review >> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.s

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.07.2013 20:40, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:22 -0400, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: >>> Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications >>> can be applied to virtually any one else. Especia

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.07.2013 19:10, schrieb Rex Dieter: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 >> >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> > > Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications > can be applied to virtu

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.07.2013 20:03, schrieb Steven Stern: > On 07/15/2013 06:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> well, you better would be suited with a company giving you >> remote access to your VM's console over a VPN > > A quick plug for Linode, which offers this. > > HOWEVER, if it's a server AND it's not jus

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/17/2013 09:57 AM, Matthew Miller issued this missive: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:44:41AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: The reason the files are, by default, NOT world-readable is simply one of security. Many programs (if using verbose logging) may expose security-related items in plaintext in

Re: [389-users] Error when starting dirsrv after enabling SSL and installing keys and certificates

2013-07-17 Thread Kyle Johnson
Pointing -CAfile to the ca public cert returns this: Verify return code: 0 (ok) I have just one CA, with no intermediates. On 2013-07-17 12:45, Dan Lavu wrote: > Set it up and see what the output is, this should give you a clearer idea of > what the problem is with the cert. > > Out o

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:44:41AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > The reason the files are, by default, NOT world-readable is simply one > of security. Many programs (if using verbose logging) may expose > security-related items in plaintext in the log files (usernames, > passwords, GPG keys, etc.).

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 06:02:47PM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > Note that if you're using the systemd journal (and you are, in recent > > Fedora, including persistent logging to disk with F19), adding yourself to > > the 'systemd-journal' group will allow you to see system logs with > > 'journalctl

gnome desktop - enters idle and requires password

2013-07-17 Thread Kevin Wilson
Hello, I have fedora 18 with Gnome on a laptop. After some short time (few minutes) of inactivity it enters the idle state , and when clicking it asks for a password. Is there a way to make that time interval longer ? regards, Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscr

Re: [389-users] Error when starting dirsrv after enabling SSL and installing keys and certificates

2013-07-17 Thread Dan Lavu
Set it up and see what the output is, this should give you a clearer idea of what the problem is with the cert. Out of curiosity do you have just one CA or do you have intermediates as well? On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: > On the other working machines, the openssl command

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/17/2013 06:59 AM, Timothy Murphy issued this missive: I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". Is there any non-paranoiac reason for not making /var/log/ files readable say by wheel? The consensus seems to be that it's OK to change the permissions and I agree. Makin

Re: importance of upgradeability

2013-07-17 Thread Fred Smith
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:38:49AM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, lee wrote: > > >Michael Hennebry writes: > > >>Having precisely one computer meant that I couldn't > >>look for on-line help while doing an install. > > > >That's one big advantage of the life systems some d

Re: [389-users] Error when starting dirsrv after enabling SSL and installing keys and certificates

2013-07-17 Thread Kyle Johnson
On the other working machines, the openssl command produces the same output. You're correct, I didn't not configure my CA cert to be used with openssl in openssl.cnf (on either box). On 2013-07-17 12:23, Dan Lavu wrote: > Sounds like your certificates are not setup correctly for that syste

Re: F19: CUPS: HowTo enable printer discovery

2013-07-17 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 18:21 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: > Into f18 I do that with this command: > # sudo cupsctl _remote_printers=1 > (Or via http://localhost:631 administration) > > Now this command do not work anymore, and if I do: > # sudo cupsctl |grep _remote_printers > I discover that this op

Re: [389-users] Error when starting dirsrv after enabling SSL and installing keys and certificates

2013-07-17 Thread Dan Lavu
Sounds like your certificates are not setup correctly for that system, what are the results on the other 'working' machines? I might have made a bad assumption, did you configure your CA cert to be used with openssl? (openssl.conf) That must be set otherwise you will have trust errors when usi

F19: CUPS: HowTo enable printer discovery

2013-07-17 Thread Dario Lesca
Into f18 I do that with this command: # sudo cupsctl _remote_printers=1 (Or via http://localhost:631 administration) Now this command do not work anymore, and if I do: # sudo cupsctl |grep _remote_printers I discover that this options there is no more. (also from web panel this option there is no

Re: [389-users] Error when starting dirsrv after enabling SSL and installing keys and certificates

2013-07-17 Thread Kyle Johnson
Hi Dan, Yes, dirsrv does indeed start. Here is what I receive from the openssl command (the important bits): verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain verify return:0 ... Verify return code: 19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain) Kyle On 2013-07-17 12:

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread inode0
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing the effect it has. I'm about to

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:21:20AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Note that if you're using the systemd journal (and you are, in recent > Fedora, including persistent logging to disk with F19), adding yourself to > the 'systemd-journal' group will allow you to see system logs with > 'journalctl'

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Michael Hennebry
This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: and now you are feeling cool or smart because quote out of context by knowing that the original post comes after your asnwer by moderation? What context should I have added that I

Re: emulate mouse middle-button on Dell XPS 13?

2013-07-17 Thread lee
Ranjan Maitra writes: > Does anyone know how to emulate a middle-button on the > touchpad-integrated mouse (my terminology) on this machine? I have > tried hitting the two mouse-clicks (want of a better term) at the same > time to no avail. Any other possibilities? There used to be an option you

Re: importance of upgradeability

2013-07-17 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Michael Hennebry writes: Having precisely one computer meant that I couldn't look for on-line help while doing an install. That's one big advantage of the life systems some distributions have: You can always boot that and look for help even while installing.

Re: [389-users] 389 directory server crash

2013-07-17 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/17/2013 01:52 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote: On 07/16/2013 04:49 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 07/16/2013 01:23 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote: On 07/15/2013 05:28 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 07/15/2013 02:57 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote: On 07/12/2013 05:55 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 07/12/2013 08:22

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/17/2013 09:47 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:29:04AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, Timothy Murphy said: >>> Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files? >> >> Nope, been doing it for years. > > I thought changing the permission

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bryn M. Reeves said: > I'm trying to help Suvayu understand what he's getting confused over. > Conflicts between logrotate and manual changes are certainly more likely > than "something bad happened to syslog". There are only a few logrotate.d config files that set permissions a

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:59:35PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". > Is there any non-paranoiac reason for not making /var/log/ files > readable say by wheel? I think it's reasonable for /var/log/secure to require an extra level of aut

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:01:59AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Bryn M. Reeves said: > > On 07/17/2013 03:47 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > I thought changing the permission on /var/log/messages will cause > > > problems with syslog, no? > > > > Maybe you are thinking of logrotate?

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/17/2013 04:01 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Again, nope, at least for common log files. logrotate copies the > current ownership/permissions to the new files, unless otherwise > configured (and only a few files have that set in the default config; > they probably shouldn't either). *if the conf

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:27:43AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > When I'm asked by debian (dpkg) what I want to do in the face of a > config file change, I'm not in a great position to deal with it (my > system is in a halfway state and out of production). The tools they > give for dealing wi

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bryn M. Reeves said: > On 07/17/2013 03:47 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > I thought changing the permission on /var/log/messages will cause > > problems with syslog, no? > > Maybe you are thinking of logrotate? If you make changes by hand these > will be undone when the logs are rota

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Suvayu Ali said: > Your permission changes will be overwritten the moment a daemon sends a > message to syslog. No, they won't. Where did you get that idea? The syslog/rsyslog daemon runs as root and can write to the file, no matter the permissions. It doesn't ever change per

[389-users] Error when starting dirsrv after enabling SSL and installing keys and certificates

2013-07-17 Thread Kyle Johnson
Hello everyone, I have been receiving help from richm in the #389 channel for the last few days, but haven't made much progress, so I'd like to move the conversation somewhere a little more persistent. My issue is that after manually enabling SSL by following the instructions at

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 07/17/2013 03:47 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:29:04AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, Timothy Murphy said: >>> Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files? >> >> Nope, been doing it for years. > > I thought changing the permission

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Suvayu Ali said: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:29:04AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Timothy Murphy said: > > > Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files? > > > > Nope, been doing it for years. > > I thought changing the permission

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Timothy, On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:35:46PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/17/13 22:27, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> Heck, you could always make your sudo password less and you could always > >> assign the frequently used commands aliases. > > I guess my question shoul

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:29:04AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Timothy Murphy said: > > Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files? > > Nope, been doing it for years. I thought changing the permission on /var/log/messages will cause problems with sysl

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/17/13 22:27, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Heck, you could always make your sudo password less and you could always >> assign the frequently used commands aliases. > I guess my question should have been: > Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files?

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Timothy Murphy said: > Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files? Nope, been doing it for years. -- Chris Adams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailm

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ed Greshko wrote: > Heck, you could always make your sudo password less and you could always > assign the frequently used commands aliases. I guess my question should have been: Will it cause any problems if I change the permissions on these files? Is there any program that won't work if you do t

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:59:35PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". For /var/log/messages you could use `dmesg -T | less +G' instead. Hope this helps, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list user

Re: Linux RAID

2013-07-17 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On 07/17/2013 02:33 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: > Can anyone point me to a good tutorial on Software Raid in Fedora? I Do a google search on: fedora raid mdadm ... and you'll find plenty of them. HTH, Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: Linux RAID

2013-07-17 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 07/17/2013 01:33 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: > Can anyone point me to a good tutorial on Software Raid in Fedora? I > want to use larger drive sizes than the hardware RAID will support! Do you want your root file system on RAID? The Fedora installer (anaconda) has complete support for doing this.

Re: Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/17/13 21:59, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". > Is there any non-paranoiac reason for not making /var/log/ files > readable say by wheel? > > Heck, you could always make your sudo password less and you could always assign the frequently

Permissions on /var/log/ files

2013-07-17 Thread Timothy Murphy
I'm tired of saying "sudo less /var/log/maillog" or "messages". Is there any non-paranoiac reason for not making /var/log/ files readable say by wheel? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Irel

Re: hibernate not reliable on Dell XPS 13 (addl info)

2013-07-17 Thread Ranjan Maitra
I took out rhgb quiet from the boot and also added nomodeset for good measure and got an error message (before freezing) use no_console_suspend to debug. I add this to the grub2.cfg, I guess? Anyone else had similar problems? Thanks, Ranjan On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 07:53:09 -0500 Ranjan Maitra wrot

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