Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread James Hogarth
> > > It might be a good idea, then, to configure ip6tables to deny everything and enable it just to be sure. > And this is one of the reasons that firewalld has come about... The same rule (unless it specifies a family or has addressees in the rule of that family) gets applied to both protocols.

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread James Hogarth
> > From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's > true, I'm surprised you're using it. > Red Hat does not support upgrades between major versions of enterprise Linux... And the rebuilds thus have the same policy. The point of using it of course is a stable environment

Re: Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread James Hogarth
> > I'd be wondering what 'g=,o=' actually does. You may want > > chmod u+rwx,go-rwx /home/psmith > > and you probably do *not* want to set all files in /home/psmith to be > executable for their owner like you set them with '-R u=x'. Indeed the better option is chmod -R u=rwX,go-rwx /home/psmith

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 07:42 PM, lee wrote: "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: On 07/13/2013 10:07 AM, lee wrote: "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of package A installed at the same time, like version 1

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 07:36 PM, Roger wrote: On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational.

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 06:51 PM, lee wrote: Matthew Miller writes: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/11/2013 09:16 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Isaac Cortés González wrote: I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the Fedora Community has lost a great developer; but also CentOS and RH

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Edward Martinez
On 7/13/2013 4:36 PM, Roger wrote: On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational.

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/13/2013 03:51 PM, lee wrote: Automatic updates? I'd rather not do that since it sometimes seems advisable to reboot after an update. If you want to be sure, run needs-restarting in a terminal, as root. About the only thing it doesn't list that I've seen is the kernel, but for most othe

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/13/2013 05:28 PM, lee wrote: What if the guy was called "Waterfalls"? "Waterfalls' cat"? Either that or, "Waterfalls's cat." Both are currently acceptable, at least in American English. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Where does gnome-abrt report its crashes to?

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/13/2013 06:02 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I recently submitted a crash report using the gnome-abrt application/applet and would like to file a comment to it. Which bugzilla did gnome-abrt submit it to? I had assumed that the gnome-abrt user interface would tell me, or I would get an email

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 10:17, Powell, Michael wrote: > Looks like someone beat me to it :) > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=984121 Yeah, and it seems you can download and test a potential fix at, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-12886/xorg-x11-server-1.14.2-4.fc19 -- The o

RE: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
> On 07/14/13 09:39, Powell, Michael wrote: > >> On 07/14/13 07:30, Powell, Michael wrote: > >>> Greshko, Ed wrote:> > /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied > >>> Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the > >> updates were applied to the machine, but instead,

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Reindl Harald writes: > Am 13.07.2013 22:59, schrieb lee: >> Reindl Harald writes: >> >>> don't get me wrong but if you hvae manually configured services >>> especially a webserver it's your job to look *before* you upgrade >>> if there is a major change and prepare your manual configuration >>

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 09:39, Powell, Michael wrote: >> On 07/14/13 07:30, Powell, Michael wrote: >>> Greshko, Ed wrote:> /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied >>> Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the >> updates were applied to the machine, but instead, I need a ti

RE: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
> On 07/14/13 07:30, Powell, Michael wrote: > > Greshko, Ed wrote:> > >> /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied > > Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the > updates were applied to the machine, but instead, I need a timestamp of > when those updates were posted

Re: Where does gnome-abrt report its crashes to?

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 09:02, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > I recently submitted a crash report using the gnome-abrt > application/applet and would like to file a comment to it. Which > bugzilla did gnome-abrt submit it to? I had assumed that the gnome-abrt > user interface would tell me, or I would get an emai

Re: Where does gnome-abrt report its crashes to?

2013-07-13 Thread Germán A. Racca
On 07/13/2013 10:02 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I recently submitted a crash report using the gnome-abrt application/applet and would like to file a comment to it. Which bugzilla did gnome-abrt submit it to? I had assumed that the gnome-abrt user interface would tell me, or I would get an email

Re: How to remove nouveau driver without using rpmfusion ?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
John Wendel writes: > Can someone please post the incantation necessary to remove the > nouveau driver in Fedora 19. I'd really like to install the driver > directly from Nvidia, instead of from rpmfusion. You can blacklist it in grub.cfg: linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.9.6-200.fc18.x86_64 [...] nouv

Re: Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Paul Smith writes: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM, lee wrote: >>> chmod 755 /home >>> >>> But what about >>> >>> /home/psmith >> >> It depends on what you want. There is some tradition that home >> directories are readable for everyone and writable for their owners >> only. It may be a good

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Matthew Miller writes: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: >> The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes >> like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being >> replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this could be done in Fedora as >

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Ian Malone writes: > On 12 July 2013 21:45, lee wrote: >> And there needs to be something like an option for extended partitioning >> that allows you to do whatever you want. Having the installer do it for >> you is a nice option to have and it's not enough. >> > > On install from live discs at

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Fernando Cassia writes: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: >> There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? > (Boot Manager for Humans) I'm not sure if I want to be booted. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Reindl Harald writes: > Am 13.07.2013 17:50, schrieb Matthew Miller: >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: >>> The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes >>> like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being >>> replaced by more recent

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Kevin Fenzi writes: > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:27:52 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> Yes, this situation was the result of an upgrade that didn't finish. >> Are you saying that 'yum list installed' doesn't really tell you what >> is actually installed and you need to use 'rpm -V' instead? >> >> What are

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-13 Thread lee
François Patte writes: > Le 12/07/2013 22:45, lee a écrit : >> "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes: >> > >> You're probably screwed when you need LVM or software raid or >> encryption with the partitioning you need. Is there any way to get >> that? Can you install Fedora on software raid with the par

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Steven Stern writes: > On 07/13/2013 02:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: >>> There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > Will someone who sees the stuff with umlauts and a proper apostrophe > please post their grub boot stanza? Thanks. linux /bo

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Fred Smith writes: >> BTW, why is it "Schrödinger's" and not "Schrödingers"? Schrödinger >> wasn't a cat. > > because "'s" is the possessive form (at least in English), meaning > we're referring to something that belonged to "Schrödinger", while > the second form you show (i.e., sans apostrophe)

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Matthew Miller writes: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 05:57:57PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> what he menat was showing the difference between >> present and new config file before updates and the >> option to merge them - not that the merge is useful >> in many cases but *that* is was Debian offers

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Michael Hennebry writes: > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote: > >> What are the main reasons not to upgrade? > > For me it was the aggravation. > Installing was always a struggle. > I was on F14 when I tried to do a fresh install of F16. > Never got it to work. > I'm running CentOS now, but keep F14

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
"Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: > On 07/13/2013 10:07 AM, lee wrote: >> "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: >> >>> On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of package A installed at the same time, like version 1 from Fedora 17 and

Where does gnome-abrt report its crashes to?

2013-07-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I recently submitted a crash report using the gnome-abrt application/applet and would like to file a comment to it. Which bugzilla did gnome-abrt submit it to? I had assumed that the gnome-abrt user interface would tell me, or I would get an email from the bugzilla; but neither has happened. Tha

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:48:40 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith: > > Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What > > are the main reasons? > > because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL and > get no security updates a

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:16:40 -0700 Richard Vickery wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Isaac Cortés González > wrote: > > I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when > > Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the Fedora Community > > has lost a great develop

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 07:30, Powell, Michael wrote: > Greshko, Ed wrote:> >> /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied > Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the updates were > applied to the machine, but instead, I need a timestamp of when those updates > were posted to th

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/12/2013 09:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: coming up with a "link-local" address inside a network which is*pure ipv4* on a server means *any* random device which does the same may bypass all your firewall rule ssince iptables and ip6tables are two different services It might be a good idea,

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Roger
On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. That's the best answer I've seen in

RE: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
Greshko, Ed wrote:> > /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the updates were applied to the machine, but instead, I need a timestamp of when those updates were posted to the yum server. My thought is that since I know 191

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 06:46, Powell, Michael wrote: > Is there some way I can have yum update based on a timestamp or display a > timestamp on when these updates were posted to help me narrow the field? /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied -- The only thing worse than a poorly asked questi

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Sewill
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 13.07.2013 13:07, schrieb David Beveridge: > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano > wrote: > >> > >> If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point > >> submiting to developers. > >> > > Well I for one

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Sewill
The question, should IPv6, be disabled by default, is asked of people of the user list. At the moment, I am on the fence. Is there a compromise where, during the Fedora install, when the person is asked for some network information and asked for time zone and root password, can the question be po

Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
The machine details: - Dell XPS 17 (L702X) BIOS A19 - Intel Core i7-2720QM (2.2GHZ) - Intel Sandybridge - Nvidia GeForce GT 555M >From a complete fresh install of F19, I’m seeing 214 updates. The updates >break down into 8 security, 80 bugfix, 22 enhanceme

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:59:23PM +0200, lee wrote: > > don't get me wrong but if you hvae manually configured services > > especially a webserver it's your job to look *before* you upgrade > > if there is a major change and prepare your manual configuration > > for it - untouched configuration is

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread David Beveridge
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > this is childish > > there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and > all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured > or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without > knowing it or not configured at all > > coming up with a "link-l

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Digimer
On 13/07/13 09:31, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with sp

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Reindl Harald writes: > Am 12.07.2013 21:57, schrieb lee: >> The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the >> configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the >> devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are >> informed accordingly. >

Re: How to remove nouveau driver without using rpmfusion ?

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:41 PM, John Wendel wrote: > Can someone please post the incantation necessary to remove the nouveau > driver in Fedora 19. I'd really like to install the driver directly from > Nvidia, instead of from rpmfusion. > > Thanks > > John Wendel > -- You might want to go to the

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > On 07/12/2013 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> On 07/11/2013 11:38 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >>> >>> Only speaking for myself: I always try to upgrade first, having a >>> complete backup, of course. If it doesn't work, I reinstall. There'

Re: Fedup 17->18 won't boot, all partitions are GPT

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Hi, > > I did a fedup from F17 to F18 on my work desktop. Now I get an infinite > boot loop. Fdisk can't look at the partition table of /dev/sda because > it has been coverted to GPT format (who did that?). > > As near as I can tell, the bo

Re: Fedup 17->18 won't boot, all partitions are GPT

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Hi Ian, > >> > I did a fedup from F17 to F18 on my work desktop. Now I get an >> > infinite boot loop. Fdisk can't look at the partition table of >> > /dev/sda because it has been coverted to GPT format (who did that?). > > Ian Chapman wri

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Isaac Cortés González wrote: > I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when > Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the Fedora Community > has lost a great developer; but also CentOS and RHEL. > > -Isaac C. > > > 2013/7/11 Ra

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 15:47, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 13:43:37 +, > Beartooth wrote: >> >> I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot >> messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to >> hiding those messages. > > You can modify t

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, > like in /etc/fedora-release: > Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with special chars signature.asc Descripti

Re: Yum dependency problem

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 13:55, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > I'm getting a yum dependency problem when running "yum update" > and I'm not sure how to solve it. > I'd be very grateful for advice. > > Some exerpts from the error messages are: > --- > Error: Package: perl-core-5.10.1-

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 13:07, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano > wrote: >> >> If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point >> submiting to developers. >> > Well I for one certainly don't agree with you. > If you disable it everywhere it's t

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 21:57, schrieb lee: > The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the > configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the > devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are > informed accordingly. don't get me wrong but if you

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 01:18, schrieb poma: >> Unfortunately those module options are currently not being honored (bug >> already opened). Changing those defaults (specifically, disabled=1 being >> the new default) would be a way to implement what I propose. But I guess >> it would not be easy for Network

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 00:45, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> Can you give a practical example, please. I've no reason to disbelieve you, >> but I've also never run across such a case and would like to see one. >> > This kind of depends on what iptables o

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 02:34, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> and the answer comes back to exactly this port >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateful_firewall >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDP_hole_punching > "On some routers where port randomizati

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 00:01, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/12/2013 02:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> so please read this and if possible please tell me the >> magic where NM writes whatever in a unknown config file >> to get rid of the ipv6-link-local address >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 22:17, schrieb d...@davenjudy.org: >> >> >> Am 12.07.2013 20:24, schrieb David G.Miller: >>> Fernando Lozano lozano.eti.br> writes: > [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the >>> kernel. Just the network interfaces configs >>> >>> >>> Perhaps Fedora

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 23:33, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/12/2013 02:17 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: >> 1. Users should be able to disable IPv6. Today they can't and this is a >> bug that hopefully will be solved soon. I think no one ever intended >> IPv6 to be mandatory. ;-) > > Actually, they can, but they

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 22:00, schrieb Paul Smith: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> I am experiencing the following problem while booting Fedora 19: >>> >>> smpboot: CPU2: Not responding. >>> >>> The computer seems to be blocked. Is there some way of rebooting it >>> without hav

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 20:24, schrieb David G.Miller: > Fernando Lozano lozano.eti.br> writes: >>> [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the > kernel. Just the network interfaces configs > > > Perhaps Fedora is the wrong distribution for you. > > The whole idea behind Fedor

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 19:49, schrieb Paul Smith: > I am experiencing the following problem while booting Fedora 19: > > smpboot: CPU2: Not responding. > > The computer seems to be blocked. Is there some way of rebooting it > without having to power off the computer? https://www.kernel.org/doc/Document

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 19:41, schrieb Fernando Lozano: >> hence it would be enough if "ifup" would respect the configuration >> i can not see "just having IPv6 enabled means there is an IPv6 address" >> below - where is there ipv6 enabled? there is even a "IPV6INIT=no" > I have overlooked that. I'm not a

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith: > Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What > are the main reasons? because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL and get no security updates and no support and the same for F19 after F20 is released if you do not wa

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 18:44, schrieb Fernando Lozano: >> [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. >> Just the network interfaces configs >> that should come with IPv6 disabled by default, if the user wants it should >> be easy to enable] >> exactly *that* is my point

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 17:49, schrieb Fernando Lozano: > [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. > Just the network interfaces configs > that should come with IPv6 disabled by default, if the user wants it should > be easy to enable] exactly *that* is my point it is

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
this is childish there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without knowing it or not configured at all coming up with a "link-local" address inside a network which is *pure ipv4* on a server means

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 16:04, schrieb Chris Adams: > Once upon a time, Tim said: >> How is your firewall set up? When you allow something for IPv4, does it >> make a corresponding rule for IPv6, at the same time. Likewise, for if >> you block something. And I mean that in two ways, dealing with ports,

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 17:50, schrieb Matthew Miller: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: >> The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes >> like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being >> replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this could

application launcher

2013-07-13 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, I tried to create an application launcher but I cannot find the clue in fedora 19! Right click does not offer such an option. alacarte either. firppery (add panel favorite), in theory yes, but not in pratice. Seceral frippery applications do not work like SystemMonitor Thank for any help.

Long time to report a crash

2013-07-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I have just reported a crash in Libre Office. The system took about an hour for it. Is this normal. I don't remember submitting crash reports taking so long. The bulk of the time was spent in "Generating backtrace", though "Initializing virtual root" also took a fair while. Here's the log:

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Edward Martinez
On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. -- An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. -Benjamin Franklin -- u

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/13/2013 02:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: >> There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? > (Boot Manager for Humans) > > FC > I added this to the kernel line in grub.conf and it made t

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorap

Re: Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM, lee wrote: >> chmod 755 /home >> >> But what about >> >> /home/psmith > > It depends on what you want. There is some tradition that home > directories are readable for everyone and writable for their owners > only. It may be a good idea to make them readable for

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 11:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after skipping s

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 10:07 AM, lee wrote: "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of package A installed at the same time, like version 1 from Fedora 17 and version 2 from Fedora 18. Imagine this package A p

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 09:44 AM, lee wrote: "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: ALL!).And now for.."fedup-cli --network 19"...and I'll keep my fingers crossedbut what's the time frame?like an hour?2?...2+1/2? About an hour or two --- it depends on how fast you can download packages

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern wrote: > On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: > > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in > > the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > > > Thanks > > I also find this annonying. Appare

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 07/13/2013 02:13 PM, Doug wrote: On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.c

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:27:52 +0200 lee wrote: > Assuming that package A doesn't work with the more recent version of > package C? Right, that was my assumption. If it does, then it would just update them all. ...snip... > Yes, this situation was the result of an upgrade that didn't finish. >

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Doug
On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: > Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > >> Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the >> menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) > > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > /snip/ Schröding

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Digimer
On 13/07/13 09:43, Beartooth wrote: I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. Hi, you should be able to set the default to show the boot messages with; sudo plymouth-set-d

gnome-shell issue when ThinkPad T60 connected to dock with extra monitor

2013-07-13 Thread Dave Johansen
I posted about this issue on the devel list and it was recommended that I try here. That conversation can be found at: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/185305.html Here's a description of the issue: I have a ThinkPad T60 that I recently upgraded to Fedora 19 from CentOS 6

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 05:57:57PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > what he menat was showing the difference between > present and new config file before updates and the > option to merge them - not that the merge is useful > in many cases but *that* is was Debian offers Oh, I see. There used to be

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after skipping some releases. What are the main reasons not to u

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: > The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes > like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being > replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this could be done in Fedora as > well? You could try using yu

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread jmaclean
On 10/07/13 07:05, Dick Roark wrote: R ​ est in peace, Seth. ​ May he Rest In Peace and condolences for his family. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fe

Re: F19 nouveau corrupted graphics

2013-07-13 Thread Jon Dufresne
> > You could install the NVIDIA drivers instead of using nouveau. They're > are at least ten times faster, so it makes sense anyway. > I think I'll give this a try. Originally I wanted to use the free drivers, but if they will not work this seems like the most practical solution. -- users maili

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern wrote: > I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, > but the OS name is coded that way. Just show how successful unicode support has been after all these decades :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Thanks I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, but the OS name is coded that way.

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Fred Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 04:39:32PM +0200, lee wrote: > Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > > > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) > > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg:

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Kevin Fenzi writes: > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 03:11:20 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> imagine you have the following: >> >> >> package A, depends on C, installed >> package B, depends on C, not installed >> package C, installed >> >> >> All the packages are version 1. After a while, you ins

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Paul Smith writes: > Dear All, > > Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What > are the main reasons? Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be havin

Re: Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Paul Smith writes: > chmod 755 /home > > But what about > > /home/psmith It depends on what you want. There is some tradition that home directories are readable for everyone and writable for their owners only. It may be a good idea to make them readable for their owners only --- or a bad idea

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Matthew Miller writes: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 09:57:04PM +0200, lee wrote: >> The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the >> configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the >> devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are >> inf

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: , | [...] | if [ x$feature_default_font_path = xy ] ; then |

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