Re: Expectation of privacy

BTW, one of them asks members not to top-post in replies ... Most other lists to which I belong have given in to modern mailing conventions, which largely have fallen to the dictates of Outlook (and even alpine) defaults. For what it's worth, once I understood the bottom post situation,

Re: Expectation of privacy

On Thu, 2 May 2013, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: BTW, one of them asks members not to top-post in replies ... poc Yeah, sorry. This is the only mailinglist I belong to where folk still obsess about it. It's been interesting, over the years, to watch the top-post fetish move from cutting

Re: Upgrade to 3.8.8-100: now boot loops ! solved: grub2 bug.

On 05/02/2013 03:07 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 13:17 -0400, sean darcy wrote: On 04/30/2013 02:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/30/2013 10:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: * make sure "installonly_limit" in "/etc/yum.conf" is high enough to not remove the 3.7.x If you reall

RE:F18 update left one update uninstalled

> why in the world do you start a new thread with EXACTLY > the same subject/content an dignore the old one from > 3 days ago? > My apology if offended any one, I didn't see any answer for several days I thought there would not be one. Every time I turn on my computer was going through boot and

Re: Expectation of privacy

On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 20:29 +, Bill Oliver wrote: > Sure, but as those of us who spend a lot of time in court come to recognize, > what constitutes "bad manners" and what is "illegal" (and particularly what > is excludable from court), are two very, very different things. I think that's un

Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

Would the moderators please moderate this thread off this list. It is nasty Am 02.05.2013 06:07, schrieb Richard Vickery: On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Reindl Harald mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net>> wrote: keep you NON-FEDORA political bullshit offlist if you have quetstions provid

Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

On 28.04.2013 21:30, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site, > which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops. > > For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so > in getting the image on my laptop. > This occurs on both my Fedora-18/

Re: Two HDs

On 01.05.2013 22:36, Bill Kuns wrote: > Dear Helpers: > > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one of the > two is > recognized by Fedora. […] Define "recognized by Fedora", and it'll set you free. ;) poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubs

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On 02.05.2013 22:41, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 02 May 2013 21:51:53 +0200 > poma wrote: > >> On 02.05.2013 20:20, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >>> This was another issue. ;) >>> >>> Our old lists.fedoraproject.org server was slow and underpowered. >>> This is why there was an outage yesterday as we

Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

Ed Greshko wrote: > In doing some googling on your device, it seems others have encountered > the same issue with some reporting success after altering the MTU. > > I suppose I would try changes there first. Posts suggest trying 1400. I had actually tried changing the MTU, with sudo ifc

Howto configure KDE to always open new windows?

Hello all! My devel machine at work is running F17 and KDE. There are lots of little things about KDE that bug me, but this one is driving me batty. I keep 12 workspaces open. Yes, 12 -- it works for me. At any time, I'll have multiple instances (or at least multiple windows) open, spread around

Re: Two HDs

On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 10:36 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: > Bill - > > > Dear Harish: > > > > They are internal SATA drives. > > I am assuming your system has something like what is shown in > this [0]. And that there is already a cable connecting the drive to > the board. Then there is nothing els

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject. [SOLVED]

On Thu, 2 May 2013 11:50:47 -0700 (PDT) William Mattison wrote: > I checked my settings.  I was mis-understanding what one of them > meant.  Now I know: "Mail delivery" set to "Disabled" also turns off > reception of digests, too.  I fixed it; I've since received a digest. > > By the way, I stil

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 02 May 2013 21:51:53 +0200 poma wrote: > On 02.05.2013 20:20, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > This was another issue. ;) > > > > Our old lists.fedoraproject.org server was slow and underpowered. > > This is why there was an outage yesterday as we moved to a new and > > vastly overpowered ins

Re: Expectation of privacy

On Thu, 2 May 2013 18:48:36 + (UTC) Bill Oliver wrote: > > In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy > regarding email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email > mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions. ...snip... I think it's a completely r

Re: Expectation of privacy

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 03:04:14PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 18:48 +, Bill Oliver wrote: > > In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy > > regarding email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email > > mailing list, since there are

Re: Expectation of privacy

Sure, but as those of us who spend a lot of time in court come to recognize, what constitutes "bad manners" and what is "illegal" (and particularly what is excludable from court), are two very, very different things. And, of course, not all situations are equivalent. I have been in the sit

Re: Expectation of privacy

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:13:01PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/02/2013 11:48 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: > >3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent > >from one person to one other person. > > I might add that although there's no legal prohibition about making > private

Re: Expectation of privacy

On 05/02/2013 07:48 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy regarding email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions. Of course, laws and customs vary across the world. In the Unite

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On 02.05.2013 20:20, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > This was another issue. ;) > > Our old lists.fedoraproject.org server was slow and underpowered. > This is why there was an outage yesterday as we moved to a new and > vastly overpowered instance. ;) > > Posts and archives should be pretty much instan

RE: "hackers"

From: st...@stevesearle.com >Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text >portion containing no content. No, they have content on them, he's just not sending them as HTML mail instead of Plain Text. == Josh Johnston fedoraj...@outlookc.om

Re: Expectation of privacy

On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 18:48 +, Bill Oliver wrote: > In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy > regarding email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email > mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions. I do think it's a worthy topic, I'm just not sur

Re: Expectation of privacy

On 05/02/2013 11:48 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: 3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent from one person to one other person. I might add that although there's no legal prohibition about making private emails public, most people consider it bad manners to do so without

Re: "hackers"

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 01:01:13PM +0100, Steve Searle wrote: > Around 10:40pm on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 (UK time), > richard.vicker...@gmail.com scrawled: > > > > Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text > portion containing no content. I appreciate that this may be

Re: Upgrade to 3.8.8-100: now boot loops ! solved: grub2 bug.

On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 13:17 -0400, sean darcy wrote: > On 04/30/2013 02:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 04/30/2013 10:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> * make sure "installonly_limit" in "/etc/yum.conf" is high enough to not > >>remove the 3.7.x > > > > If you really want to be safe: > > > > yum

Re: Expectation of privacy

Am 02.05.2013 20:48, schrieb Bill Oliver: > In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy regarding > email. I think this is a reasonable > topic for an email mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions. > > Any person who expects that their emails to a mailingli

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject. [SOLVED]

I checked my settings.  I was mis-understanding what one of them meant.  Now I know: "Mail delivery" set to "Disabled" also turns off reception of digests, too.  I fixed it; I've since received a digest. By the way, I still receive unwanted messages from "nob...@fedoraproject.org", though a lot

Expectation of privacy

In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy regarding email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions. Of course, laws and customs vary across the world. In the United States, there is a rather complex hie

Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

Am 02.05.2013 20:24, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com: > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > >>> They should have moderated you and your mouth, and pen off of this list >>> a long, long time ago. >> Just stop it! >> >> Sorry, no. If you don't understand political games, that is not my prob

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 2 May 2013 12:20:58 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Posts and archives should be pretty much instant now, if you see an > issue please file a infrastructure ticket and we can look. And this thread actually was pretty much instant. I guess the delay is gone :-). -- users mailing list users@li

Re: Errors on Boot-Up

On 05/01/2013 02:01 PM, Bill Kuns issued this missive: Dear Helpers: When I do manage to boot up my Fedora System, I get these remarks on the screen: [ 11.034216] ata5: COMRESET Failed (errno =-16) [ 21.050448] ata5: COMRESET Failed (errno =-16) [ 68.199577] ata5: COMRESET Failed

Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 2 May 2013 14:04:49 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2013 11:50:20 -0600 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > I would stongly advise you to switch to a better email provider. > > Something besides yahoo is going on. I use gmail, and the past > few days I've seen things show up on the lis

Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

Am 02.05.2013 20:02, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com: > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > *From: *Matthias Runge > *Sent: *Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:38 AM > *To: *de...@lists.fedoraproject.org > *Reply To: *Development discussions related to Fedora > *Subject: *Re: take your bullshit

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 2 May 2013 11:50:20 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I would stongly advise you to switch to a better email provider. Something besides yahoo is going on. I use gmail, and the past few days I've seen things show up on the list archive hours before a copy actually arrives in my mailbox (but I h

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 02 May 2013 17:05:22 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 02.05.2013 16:58, schrieb William Mattison: > > Good morning, > > > > For several days now, I have not received anything from > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org. I sent a message to "owner", but > > received no response. How do

Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:17:45AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 02.05.2013 06:07, schrieb Richard Vickery: > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Reindl Harald > > wrote: > > keep you NON-FEDORA political bullshit offlist > > > > if you have quetstions pro

Re: Upgrade to 3.8.8-100: now boot loops ! solved: grub2 bug.

On 04/30/2013 02:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/30/2013 10:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: * make sure "installonly_limit" in "/etc/yum.conf" is high enough to not remove the 3.7.x If you really want to be safe: yum remove kernel will remove all installed kernels *except* for the one you're cur

Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

Am 02.05.2013 16:58, schrieb William Mattison: > Good morning, > > For several days now, I have not received anything from > users@lists.fedoraproject.org. I sent a message to "owner", but received no > response. How do I get this fixed? > > Please reply to me as well as the list. I will a

not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

Good morning, For several days now, I have not received anything from users@lists.fedoraproject.org.  I sent a message to "owner", but received no response.  How do I get this fixed? Please reply to me as well as the list.  I will also check the archives later today for answers. thanks, Bill

Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

On 05/02/13 21:25, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Thanks again for your response. > I've been using wireshark as you suggested, > and it seems that the same packet is being repeated endlessly. > It is described as "TCP segment of a reassembled PDU". > > So I wonder if it is just a problem with the protoco

Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

Ed Greshko wrote: I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site, which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops. For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so in getting the image on my laptop. >>> Does it matter where your laptop is? If

Re: Two HDs

Bill Kuns wrote: > > Yes, fdisk seems to see both 1 TB drives: > > [root@FedC15 bkuns]# fdisk -l > > Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physi

Re: yum --downloadonly

On Thu, 2 May 2013 07:14:07 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2013 09:59:36 +0100 > Frank Murphy wrote: > > > if # yum --downloadonly > > is invoked without --downloadir > > are the packages just kept in the yum cache? > > Yep, they hang around till you actually run yum > without --downl

Re: "hackers"

Around 10:40pm on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 (UK time), richard.vicker...@gmail.com scrawled: > Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text portion containing no content. I appreciate that this may be done to please those who are fed up with what you do write, but perhaps y

Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

On 05/02/13 18:00, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 04/29/13 03:30, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>> I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site, >>> which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops. >>> >>> For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so >

Re: Wondrous X bug for your amusement

I can't remember not having this sort of thing happen occasionally on Fedora. Also, the X11 session bouncing between virtual terminal 1 and 7, since at latest the switch from Fedora Core to Fedora. I've just tended to blow it off as apparently not worth the devs time. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:0

Re: yum --downloadonly

On Thu, 2 May 2013 09:59:36 +0100 Frank Murphy wrote: > if # yum --downloadonly > is invoked without --downloadir > are the packages just kept in the yum cache? Yep, they hang around till you actually run yum without --downloadonly, the automatic cache flushing doesn't happen till the packages ar

Re: "hackers"

Am 01.05.2013 23:41, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com: > *From: *Reindl Harald > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:15 AM > *To: *users@lists.fedoraproject.org > *Reply To: *Community support for Fedora users > *Subject: *Re: "hackers" > > Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery: >> On Tue,

Re: Monitor turns off on normal boot

Anthony Papillion papillion.me> writes: > > On 05/01/2013 09:57 AM, David G. Miller wrote: > > Anthony Papillion papillion.me> writes: > > > >> > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> I'm having trouble getting Fedora (or Ubuntu or Windows) to do a > >> normal boot. > >> > >> When I try to boot Windows

Errors on Boot-Up

Dear Helpers: When I do manage to boot up my Fedora System, I get these remarks on the screen: [ 11.034216] ata5: COMRESET Failed (errno =-16) [ 21.050448] ata5: COMRESET Failed (errno =-16) [ 68.199577] ata5: COMRESET Failed (errno =-16) [ 78.235808] ata5: COMRESET Failed (er

Re: Two HDs

Dear Marvin: Yes, I've done that and each drive is recognized by itself. Thank you. -- Bill Kuns On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 15:51 -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Hi > > > > How about starting with checking to see if the drives work.. > > > > Hook up ONE at a time and see if it shows up.. > >

Re: Two HDs

On Wed, 01 May 2013 14:36:02 -0600 Bill Kuns wrote: > Dear Helpers: > > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one > of the two is > recognized by Fedora. > I have often both identical drives, recognised no problems. *But*, what has happened is where a dodgy bios, has re

Re: "hackers"

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is there a way to play swf files (version > 9) in Fedora?

Hi list! Not that I'm a fan of gaming, but I discovered the web site y8.com by chance and I liked the games, and they even offer a download option. The games are in swf format, and even having gnash installed, not all of the games I downloaded are working. Reading the info for gnash I can see

Re: Two HDs

Dear Harish: They are internal SATA drives. Thank you. -- Bill Kuns On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 07:31 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: > Bill - > > > Dear Helpers: > > > > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one of the > > two is recognized by Fedora. > > Are these internal

Re: Runlevel 3 after fedup

To add to this, I've recently found out the problem also happens when I come up in runlevel 5 and then later switch to 3. -- http://yosemitenews.info/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinf

Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > keep you NON-FEDORA political bullshit offlist > > if you have quetstions provide informations about your environemnt > if you are not able to provide this informations read the fucking > manuals to learn the basiscs to express you and your pr

Re: F18 update left one update uninstalled

greets again, joez. On 05/01/2013 03:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/01/2013 09:00 AM, g wrote: steps 1 -> 3 = read man pages. step 4 = run command; ie, ]$ yum-complete-transaction D'oh! I completely failed to notice that all except the last were RTFM. so as not to happen, i present

semi-offtopic: AMD catalyst + Phillips TV 46PFL7007 VGA + LongView Cat5 KVM Extender

This is the modeline which works: Section "Monitor" Identifier "0-CRT1" ModeLine "1920x1080" 148.5 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1088 1125 +hsync +vsync Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver" Option "ModelName" "Phillips 46PFL7007 VGA"

Re: Two HDs

On 05/01/2013 01:36 PM, Bill Kuns wrote: They reported this difficulty was the result of a "Signature Collision". Then,. they gave me instructions on how to clear the error in Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8. None of those is going to work under Fedora. Does anyone have any

RE: Re: Two HDs

Dear Mr. Craig: Yes, fdisk seems to see both 1 TB drives: [root@FedC15 bkuns]# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 byt

yum --downloadonly

# yum --downloadonly if # yum --downloadonly is invoked without --downloadir are the packages just kept in the yum cache? so /etc/yum.conf needs keepcache=1 or does it? I normally keep the cache, so without removing lots of stuff cannot test. -- Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailin

Re: Two HDs

Bill - > Dear Helpers: > > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one of the > two is recognized by Fedora. Are these internal SATA or externally connected USB drives? -- Harish Pillay h.pil...@ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: "hackers"

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Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

Ed Greshko wrote: > On 04/29/13 03:30, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site, >> which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops. >> >> For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so >> in getting the image on my laptop. > Does it m

Re: Two HDs

On 5/1/2013 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns wrote: I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one of the two is recognized by Fedora. Is the second harddrive being detected in the BIOS? maybe issuing "dmesg | grep sd" may show something. -- You wanted to know who I am,

Re: "hackers"

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Re: "hackers"

Please help us maintain the sanity of the list, so we don't have to moderate. "So Let It Be Written...So Let It Be Done!"(Sorry..I couldn't resist!...LoL!) This useless, derogatory thread engages my [Delete] Button -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe o

Re: Two HDs

Hi How about starting with checking to see if the drives work.. Hook up ONE at a time and see if it shows up.. HTH Marvin On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns wrote: > ** > Dear Helpers: > > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one of the > two is > recognized

Wondrous X bug for your amusement

I'm not sure I think anyone will figure out what this is or how to fix it, but it seems strange enough to send to the list for the amusement value alone :-). https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958326 At first, it looks like my system rebooted, but it is actually still running fine and a

Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

Am 02.05.2013 06:07, schrieb Richard Vickery: > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > keep you NON-FEDORA political bullshit offlist > > if you have quetstions provide informations about your environemnt > if you are not able to pro

Re: Two HDs

Bill - > Dear Harish: > > They are internal SATA drives. I am assuming your system has something like what is shown in this [0]. And that there is already a cable connecting the drive to the board. Then there is nothing else to do except to check within your BIOS to see if the drive is enabled as

Re: Two HDs

On 05/01/13 15:36, Bill Kuns wrote: > Dear Helpers: > > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one of the two > is > recognized by Fedora. > > They are WD1002FAEX drives. When I asked Western Digital for assistance, > their > "help" wasn't much help. > > They reported t

Re: Two HDs

does fdisk see it? On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns wrote: > ** > Dear Helpers: > > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system. Only one of the > two is > recognized by Fedora. > > They are WD1002FAEX drives. When I asked Western Digital for assistance, > their > "help" w