was Custom Partition Fedora 18 -now Fedora change gripes

And, probably more to the point, their debuggers. No chance of that, methinks. I cannot imagine thousands of cutting edge Fedora uses even being remotely concerned. We learned long ago to live with the newness of Fedora. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or chan

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 2/19/2013 2:34 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/18/2013 09:04 PM, jonc wrote: >> On 02/18/2013 01:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 02/18/2013 03:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: In fact FOSS has no way to tell if the passionate advocates of nonsense like Gnome 3 are actually in the pay of evil

Was: Custom Partition Fedora 18- Now Problems

Not that it matters, and no one is paying me, here's why I'm using Gnome Shell on Fedora 18, after rejecting it previously: 1. It's fast and reliable. 2. I like the way it looks. I'll stop here, because many complaints about how it works, mine too, are a "look" thing (appearance, *and* proc

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 09:04 PM, jonc wrote: On 02/18/2013 01:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 03:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: In fact FOSS has no way to tell if the passionate advocates of nonsense like Gnome 3 are actually in the pay of evil corporate giants who want to see Linux destroyed and are de

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 08:46 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > However, in the 12/12 issue of Linu Journal Reader's Review for > Desktop Environments Gnome 3.4 got 21% of the vote to KDE 25%. KDE was > the top. Hmm, hardly a glowing endorsement, then. With all due disrespect to how politics like to cl

Re: at boot-time echoed kernel is older that started kernel

On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 07:34 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: > whereas in F17 there is only a menu entry for the latest kernel, and > all the other kernels are in submenuentry's under an Advanced Fedora > Menuentry? Not on my Fedora 17 box. I've let it does its updating automatically ("yum update" on

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 16:24 -0500, jonc wrote: > Not that it matters, and no one is paying me, here's why I'm using > Gnome Shell on Fedora 18, after rejecting it previously: > > 1. It's fast and reliable. > 2. I like the way it looks. I'll stop here, because many complaints about how it works,

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

jonc: >> Why is it not fair? What do developers have to lose if they annoy users? Gordan Bobic: > They stand to lose those users. And, probably more to the point, their debuggers. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 13:52 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > For some of the developers, their work is a labor of love and they > don't care that much if anybody else uses it. For others, > having their programs accepted by large numbers of people who like it, > use it and (maybe) depend on it is what ma

Re: UEFI support from command line

On Monday 18 February 2013 07:00 PM, Kevin Wilson wrote: Hi, Is there a way to know without entering BIOS, whether your machine supoports UEFI or not ? I would appreciate if someone with a machine with UEFI support will check whether when running "dmidecode" you see UEFI in the output. Regards,

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 08:06 PM, jonc wrote: The old Anaconda is easy only because we all used it so much. It's little more than a wrapper around parted. So, if you don't already know how to partition a system, it really isn't that easy. No installer that exposes manual partitioning is, or can be. AI

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 10:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 07:32 PM, jonc wrote: Your tone seems to suggest you think developers owe something to users ("very, VERY justified criticism"). I don't think they do, and I don't think developers have any more reason to pay attention to anecdotes from user

Gnome 3 with a splash of Awesome

After having sat on the fence with Fedora 14, fearing the worst in making the switch to Gnome 3, I must say, with Awesome for the WM, I am perfectly fine with Gnome providing the goods under the hood. xcalib is quite nice as well for inverting screen color (i.e. no more glaring white background to

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:49:40 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: > How about when they replace a program that works fine (anaconda) with > a new version that doesn't do as much and/or is much harder for most > people to use. Do you find that type of criticism justified? Well, I'd suggest that it might be mi

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 07:32 PM, jonc wrote: Your tone seems to suggest you think developers owe something to users ("very, VERY justified criticism"). I don't think they do, and I don't think developers have any more reason to pay attention to anecdotes from users than users have a reason to pay attenti

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 09:17 PM, David wrote: Some stayed here. With Fedora. I did, Some changed changed their DE. I moved to Fedora from several months with CentOS as a desktop. Eventually I wanted to do things its ageing core doesn't want to do. I'd tried every version of Gnome 3 since its release a

Re: Removing nVidia

On 02/04/2013 05:40 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:49:11 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: Right now, my desktop computer is getting a brain transplant. Alas, the nVidia graphics card I've been using won't fit, and the new card is neither ATI nor nVidia. Now, I know that once it's up

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 07:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, jonc issued this missive: On 02/18/2013 07:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I don't think you can take comments on lists or forums to represent the opinions and experience of average users. I rather think you can, since that is where

Re: FedUp experiences; moving to an F18 life.

On 2-18-13 13:05:50 Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > I am seriously considering waiting for F19 > unless I absolutely need F18. I did the update from F17 to F18 using yum and had no problems at all. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Frequent Gnome lock-ups since fresh F18 install - It's the Samsung 840 Pro SSD, don't know why

I wanted to post a follow-up. I've determined that the 2~3x/day crash was caused by my Samsung 840 Pro SSD. I've posted my findings to the fedora-devel mailing list. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-February/178835.html Maybe this will help save someone the frustrations I've

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 2/18/2013 8:55 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/18/2013 05:48 PM, David wrote: >> And, after all of the negative, nasty, comments in places like >> here/ They switched to some flavor of Ubuntu. > > Or, for that matter, they've kept the same distro but switched to a > different DE. Some stayed her

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 05:48 PM, David wrote: And, after all of the negative, nasty, comments in places like here/ They switched to some flavor of Ubuntu. Or, for that matter, they've kept the same distro but switched to a different DE. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscrib

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 2/18/2013 7:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, jonc issued this missive: >> On 02/18/2013 07:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > >> I don't think you can take comments on lists or forums to represent the >> opinions and experience of average users. > > I rather think you can, since that

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, jonc issued this missive: On 02/18/2013 07:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I don't think you can take comments on lists or forums to represent the opinions and experience of average users. I rather think you can, since that is where the average user is going to go for help. If

Re: fedup ??

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Jim wrote: > I'll give it a try, Thanks for your help. if you have a fast connection fedup --network 18 Itamar Reis Peixoto -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorapr

Re: fedup ??

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jim wrote: Running fedup from F17 to upgrade to F18, Is this the correct procedure ? And I get the below Error message. # fedup-cli --iso /home/jim/Downloads/Fedora-18-i686-Live-KDE.iso --debuglog=fedupdebug.lo

Re: fedup ??

On 02/18/2013 07:31 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Jim wrote: But can I get a KDE desktop out of that image. yes, should work Itamar Reis Peixoto http://www.quebarato.com.br/perfil/itamarjp I'll give it a try, Thanks for your help. -- users m

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 07:19 PM, Tom Horsley wrote But if you read some of the articles where the justifications for things like Gnome 3 have been presented, the developers are constantly talking about how they are doing it all for "typical users". The problem is that these typical users are all totally i

Re: fedup ??

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Jim wrote: > But can I get a KDE desktop out of that image. yes, should work Itamar Reis Peixoto http://www.quebarato.com.br/perfil/itamarjp -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https:/

Re: fedup ??

On 02/18/2013 07:18 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jim wrote: how do I do that from a dvd image . -- try using Fedora-18-x86_64-DVD.iso from -> http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/18/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ But can I get a KDE desktop out of

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, jonc wrote: If developers want to join in and say who they are, I think that's great. If they are *afraid* to tell users they are developers, that says something ugly about those users. I hadn't thought of that, but you're right. My thought was that they might prefer t

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:05:19 -0500 jonc wrote: > Since FOSS developers usually lack a way to find out what users really > do so they can write software to make that easier, they might as well > ignore anecdotal feedback, other than bug reports, and go with their own > assumptions about how and

Re: fedup ??

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jim wrote: > how do I do that from a dvd image . > -- try using Fedora-18-x86_64-DVD.iso from -> http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/18/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ -- Itamar Reis Peixoto http://www.quebarato.com.br/perfil/itamarjp --

Re: fedup ??

On 02/18/2013 07:10 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/18/2013 07:03 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jim wrote: Running fedup from F17 to upgrade to F18, Is this the correct procedure ? And I get the below Error m

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 07:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 03:57 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote: So your argument is that developers should focus on the feedback that is rare to the point of non-existence instead of the feedback that is arguable to be unreliable? Let me ask you two questions: first, shoul

Re: fedup ??

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Jim wrote: > On 02/18/2013 07:03 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jim wrote: >>> >>> Running fedup from F17 to upgrade to F18, Is this the correct procedure >>> ? >>> And I get the below Error message. >>> >>> # fedup-cli --i

Re: fedup ??

On 02/18/2013 07:03 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jim wrote: Running fedup from F17 to upgrade to F18, Is this the correct procedure ? And I get the below Error message. # fedup-cli --iso /home/jim/Downloads/Fedora-18-i686-Live-KDE.iso --debuglog=fedupdebug.

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:57 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote: So your argument is that developers should focus on the feedback that is rare to the point of non-existence instead of the feedback that is arguable to be unreliable? Let me ask you two questions: first, should developers follow any support mailing

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 06:57 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote: So your argument is that developers should focus on the feedback that is rare to the point of non-existence instead of the feedback that is arguable to be unreliable? My argument is that regular, controlled, standardized user testing should be par

Re: fedup ??

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jim wrote: > Running fedup from F17 to upgrade to F18, Is this the correct procedure ? > And I get the below Error message. > > # fedup-cli --iso /home/jim/Downloads/Fedora-18-i686-Live-KDE.iso > --debuglog=fedupdebug.log > setting up repos... > Error: can't get

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 18/02/2013 23:09, jonc wrote: On 02/18/2013 04:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: fine - but it is not fair to build a large user base over years and then thow all away and explain them "that is how you have to work from now on" Why is it not fair? What do developers have to lose if they annoy u

fedup ??

Running fedup from F17 to upgrade to F18, Is this the correct procedure ? And I get the below Error message. # fedup-cli --iso /home/jim/Downloads/Fedora-18-i686-Live-KDE.iso --debuglog=fedupdebug.log setting up repos... Error: can't get boot images. The 'fedupiso' repo was rejected by yum as

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 18/02/2013 22:57, jonc wrote: On 02/18/2013 04:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: ...the people who really do think that everybody should love Gnome 3 because they do are providing a disproportionate percentage of the comments on it... and that some of the Gnome 3 devs (being human) listen more to what

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: fine - but it is not fair to build a large user base over years and then thow all away and explain them "that is how you have to work from now on" Why is it not fair? What do developers have to lose if they annoy users? We users get a lot of good

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: ...the people who really do think that everybody should love Gnome 3 because they do are providing a disproportionate percentage of the comments on it... and that some of the Gnome 3 devs (being human) listen more to what they want to hear than to anyth

Re: F18 Browser troubles

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:42:25 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 17:16 +, Beartooth wrote: >> For some time, both Firefox and Seamonkey have been popping up >> complaint notices every few seconds; and every few minutes one or both >> will crash. This morning it got s

Re: Network configuration on F18

Not sure, but because of the timeout, after which everythings starts working again. I also have these messages when ever I use yum: # yum install httpd.x86_64 Complementos cargados:langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit Unable to send message to PackageKit Any idea. yum works great after that mes

Re: Network configuration on F18

Am 18.02.2013 23:23, schrieb Martín Marqués: > I just finished reinstalling (fresh install from my old F16) my fedora > server which ended up with a bad disk. > > The problem I'm seeing is related to, AFAICS, NetworkManager collision > with Network. In this server I don't want NM as I have a sta

Network configuration on F18

I just finished reinstalling (fresh install from my old F16) my fedora server which ended up with a bad disk. The problem I'm seeing is related to, AFAICS, NetworkManager collision with Network. In this server I don't want NM as I have a static IP which should come up on interface eth0 (found that

Re: clone

Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to clone with updating a machine. > I get the list of installed package (yum list installed) > Then I can make a minimum installation followed by an upgrade the packages. > How would you recommend me to do this step ? > > Thank for your help. Maybe

Re: clone

Am 18.02.2013 22:53, schrieb Patrick Dupre: > I would like to clone with updating a machine. > I get the list of installed package (yum list installed) > Then I can make a minimum installation followed by an upgrade the packages. > How would you recommend me to do this step? no need for touch an

clone

Hello, I would like to clone with updating a machine. I get the list of installed package (yum list installed) Then I can make a minimum installation followed by an upgrade the packages. How would you recommend me to do this step ? Thank for your help. -- =

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 01:28 PM, jonc wrote: The only thing linking the *perceived* interests of users and FOSS developers is the good will of the developers. Not quite. For some of the developers, their work is a labor of love and they don't care that much if anybody else uses it. For others, havin

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

Am 18.02.2013 22:28, schrieb jonc: > On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> What, exactly, is the connection in FOSS that is supposed to make >>> developers care what users think? >> because if they to not bother what users think they are also >> free to develop THEIR pet and state tha

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 01:24 PM, jonc wrote: It's not that I don't like Gnome 2, and I don't begrudge anyone who wants to use it, or MATE. Or anything else. But, I like using Gnome Shell for legitimate reasons, not because I'm a member of a harping minority ranting about some imaginary "Way of the Futur

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 2/18/2013 4:17 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/18/2013 12:45 PM, David wrote: >> I chose path 1) myself but I avoided the step c). > > I also went with Path 1) but I went on to the last step because I > sometimes get the impression that there are people out there who don't > understand that using F

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: What, exactly, is the connection in FOSS that is supposed to make developers care what users think? because if they to not bother what users think they are also free to develop THEIR pet and state that it is only THEIR pet Seems to me that's pretty

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 12:26 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Nope, I think someone is paying a con-man to sucker the designers into producing the worst imaginable interface (it is the only theory I can come up with to adequately explain the result :-). More of a pied piper

Re: firewalld howto?

I'm in a similar boat to Neal. I want to look into migrating from IPTables to FirewallD before I'm forced too, but the documentation out there seems to be woefully inadequate so far. As far as I can tell the functionality isn't much better for my needs, but that might just be a symptom of the doc

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 12:45 PM, David wrote: I chose path 1) myself but I avoided the step c). I also went with Path 1) but I went on to the last step because I sometimes get the impression that there are people out there who don't understand that using Fedora doesn't mean that they must use Gnome.

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

Am 18.02.2013 22:02, schrieb jonc: > On 02/18/2013 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 18.02.2013 21:45, schrieb David: >>> I see two paths here. >>> >>> 1) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b) You find one of the many other >>> Desktops out there and use that. (c) You publicly state your >>> diss

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 2/18/2013 3:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 18.02.2013 21:45, schrieb David: >> I see two paths here. >> >> 1) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b) You find one of the many other >> Desktops out there and use that. (c) You publicly state your >> dissatisfaction and move on >> >> 2) (a) You don

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.02.2013 21:45, schrieb David: I see two paths here. 1) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b) You find one of the many other Desktops out there and use that. (c) You publicly state your dissatisfaction and move on 2) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b)

Re: at boot-time echoed kernel is older that started kernel

On 02/19/2013 07:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.02.2013 21:34, schrieb Stephen Morris: whereas in F17 there is only a menu entry for the latest kernel, and all the other kernels are in submenuentry's under an Advanced Fedora Menuentry? which is only true for "grub2-mkconfig" and NOT fpr ke

lock screen

Hello, I am 2 machines with fedora 16. On one the screenlocking works fine, on the other one, it does not work. The screen is never lock after 10 min (Lock ON) as required. In addition, when I click on "Lock Screen" nothing happens. But, if I dial xlock, it turns the screen locked. What did I

Re: firewalld howto?

On 02/19/13 02:57, Neal Becker wrote: > OK I'm trying firewalld. > > But I used to have this rule in iptables: > > -A INPUT -i tun+ -j ACCEPT > > How do I add such a rule with firewalld? > > I think what you want it here... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD#Direct_options (5AM) -- Don't

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

Am 18.02.2013 21:45, schrieb David: > I see two paths here. > > 1) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b) You find one of the many other > Desktops out there and use that. (c) You publicly state your > dissatisfaction and move on > > 2) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b) You find one of the many other >

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 12:26 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Nope, I think someone is paying a con-man to sucker the designers into producing the worst imaginable interface (it is the only theory I can come up with to adequately explain the result :-). More of a pied piper effect than astroturf. Now, now, let's

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 2/18/2013 3:26 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:04:23 -0500 > jonc wrote: > >> Are people actually paranoid enough to think someone is paying people to >> praise Gnome 3? > > Nope, I think someone is paying a con-man to sucker the designers > into producing the worst imaginable

Re: at boot-time echoed kernel is older that started kernel

Am 18.02.2013 21:34, schrieb Stephen Morris: > whereas in F17 there is only a menu entry for the latest kernel, > and all the other kernels are in submenuentry's under an Advanced > Fedora Menuentry? which is only true for "grub2-mkconfig" and NOT fpr kernels installed with yum at updates, he

Re: at boot-time echoed kernel is older that started kernel

On 02/17/2013 09:02 PM, antonio montagnani wrote: Joachim Backes ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 17/02/2013 10:33: On 02/17/2013 09:23 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: It is not really important, but I realized that when I start the machine with a kernel, the echoed line on the scr

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 12:04 PM, jonc wrote: On 02/18/2013 01:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 03:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: In fact FOSS has no way to tell if the passionate advocates of nonsense like Gnome 3 are actually in the pay of evil corporate giants who want to see Linux destroyed and are de

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:04:23 -0500 jonc wrote: > Are people actually paranoid enough to think someone is paying people to > praise Gnome 3? Nope, I think someone is paying a con-man to sucker the designers into producing the worst imaginable interface (it is the only theory I can come up with to

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

Am 18.02.2013 21:04, schrieb jonc: > On 02/18/2013 01:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 02/18/2013 03:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >>> In fact FOSS has no way to tell if the passionate advocates of >>> nonsense like Gnome 3 are actually in the pay of evil corporate >>> giants who want to see Linux destro

Re: F18 Browser troubles

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 17:16 +, Beartooth wrote: > For some time, both Firefox and Seamonkey have been popping up > complaint notices every few seconds; and every few minutes one or both > will crash. This morning it got so bad that I closed both of them, > opening Arora and Midori inst

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 01:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 03:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: In fact FOSS has no way to tell if the passionate advocates of nonsense like Gnome 3 are actually in the pay of evil corporate giants who want to see Linux destroyed and are deliberately inventing the worst possib

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: In fact FOSS has no way to tell if the passionate advocates of nonsense like Gnome 3 are actually in the pay of evil corporate giants who want to see Linux destroyed and are deliberately inventing the worst possible systems (as long as we are mentioning

firewalld howto?

OK I'm trying firewalld. But I used to have this rule in iptables: -A INPUT -i tun+ -j ACCEPT How do I add such a rule with firewalld? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guid

Re: Google Earth runs for all users except me

El jue, 14-02-2013 a las 21:49 -0500, Mark LaPierre escribió: > On 02/14/2013 08:03 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > I have just installed the proprietary nvidia drivers on an x86_64 > > system, and have found that google-earth runs correctly when invoked by > > any user except me (root, guest, et

Re: Google Earth runs for all users except me

On 02/16/13 16:28, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 21:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 16.02.2013 21:26, schrieb Mark LaPierre: >>> On 02/14/2013 08:03 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have just installed the proprietary nvidia drivers on an x86_64 system, and have fou

F18 Browser troubles

For some time, both Firefox and Seamonkey have been popping up complaint notices every few seconds; and every few minutes one or both will crash. This morning it got so bad that I closed both of them, opening Arora and Midori instead, planning to ask if it's Mozilla or me, or xfce, or

Failure to draw popup windows or applications after minimization

Why is it, that after two hours of operation, suddenly popup windows appear all black? Even Kickstart does this, which means I have a tough time even shutting it down. And if I have minimized an application and want to come back to it, forget it. Total, unrelieved black. The functions are still

Re: UEFI support from command line

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Kevin Wilson wrote: > Hi, > Is there a way to know without entering BIOS, whether your machine supoports > UEFI or not ? I would appreciate if someone with a machine with UEFI > support will check whether when running "dmidecode" you see UEFI in the > output. I h

Re: Samsung laser drivers for Linux - thinking aloud

On 2/18/2013 7:32 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Just thinking aloud, have to check what the license is. The Samsung web site displays a disclaimer/license notice that I quickly dismissed without actually reading what it says (don´t we all), previous to letting you download the file. My point is

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 10:22 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: And what is the problem with not improving things that don't need improving? There needs to be a distinct line between maintaining a good, stable familiar product and going off on a tangent with experimental interfaces. The way most people see it, G

Re: Fedora 18 with ATI Mach64?

On 02/18/13 07:19, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: > Trying to install Fedora 18 on an older motherboard that has video > built-in using an ATI Mach64. > dmidecode --type baseboard lspci -nn Cheers, poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: how add other language support?

poma wrote: > On 02/16/13 19:32, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > […] >> >> Comps doesn't contains language support. It has been moved into a separate >> plugin which should have installed by default IIRC. In any case, >> >> yum install yum-langpack > > plural ;) Hah, in reply I was using singular too ;

Re: how add other language support?

Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Frantisek Hanzlik > wrote: > > As malformed f18 installer not allow select several languages support, > how to add these after installation? > > If this is really the case, a bug report would

Re: DVDs won't play [SOLVED]

On 02/18/2013 09:50 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 19:41 -0500, Temlakos wrote: Four days ago I ran the fedora-update script to move from F17 to F18. Everything seems to work, except one thing: applications like vlc and Dragon, that I used to play DVD movies, won't open the disk

Re: Samsung laser drivers for Linux - thinking aloud

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > If Samsung wants to build bash scripts to install their proprietary drivers > I say more power to them. If you want to repackage their stuff in an RPM > then I say more power to you. That's the great thing about Linux If it´s a non-opensou

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 01:49 PM, jonc wrote: On 02/18/2013 06:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:50:22 +1030 Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 15:22 -0500, jonc wrote: Still, FOSS has no reliable way to measure who likes what, or who uses what... Or who despises something, but still carr

Re: DVDs won't play

On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 19:41 -0500, Temlakos wrote: > Four days ago I ran the fedora-update script to move from F17 to F18. > > Everything seems to work, except one thing: applications like vlc and > Dragon, that I used to play DVD movies, won't open the disks. > > Whether they are commercial disk

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

> > it seems that almost everyone except RH employees have abandoned the > Gnome 3 ship, However, in the 12/12 issue of Linu Journal Reader's Review for Desktop Environments Gnome 3.4 got 21% of the vote to KDE 25%. KDE was the top. -- =

Re: Samsung laser drivers for Linux - thinking aloud

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/15/2013 03:21 PM, Jim wrote: > On 02/15/2013 09:56 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Fernando Cassia wrote: >> >>> So the $1M question is: can´t Samsung design drivers which can be >>> installed via a package manager (rpm), or via a cups install rou

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 06:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:50:22 +1030 Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 15:22 -0500, jonc wrote: Still, FOSS has no reliable way to measure who likes what, or who uses what... Or who despises something, but still carries on using it, anyway. Nor can you

Re: DVDs won't play

On 02/18/2013 06:31 AM, Tim wrote: Tim: Or, add a /dev/dvd that points to /dev/sr0, then all DVD supporting software works in the way that you expect it to. Ed Greshko: Of course, since the /dev directory is not permanent and gets created at boot time you'll need to do it in such a way that it

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:34 AM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 18:05 -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Am going to look into thisas I want to "build" a server at home, and see what I can do with it.maybe some form of central information repository?..I'll think of something! Having a cen

Re: Best way to run a KDE application as another user?

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 10:53 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for the best/safest way (if it exists) to set up Fedora > to make it possible for users B, C, etc..., when logged in with their > userid and password, to run one and one only KDE application as if > they were user A. That

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 11:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:50:22 +1030 Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 15:22 -0500, jonc wrote: Still, FOSS has no reliable way to measure who likes what, or who uses what... Or who despises something, but still carries on using it, anyway. Nor can yo

Re: FedUp experiences; moving to an F18 life.

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Max Pyziur wrote: > > Greetings, > > Currently, I'm on my third F18 experience: > > Experience #1 - off-lease Dell D630 dual-core laptop w/ no pre-installed > OS, installed from DVD. The installation went smoothly; the issues that > remain are getting co-ordinated

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