On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 10:28 PM, Charles Zeitler wrote:
>>>
>>> That's just not a valid assumption to make.
>>>
>>
>> ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>)
>>
>> cfzeitler
>>
>
> So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a
On 11/01/2012 10:28 PM, Charles Zeitler wrote:
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
That's just not a valid assumption to make.
ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>)
cfzeitler
So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a
member of homo
On 11/01/2012 03:10 PM, Roger wrote:
Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release deadlines
are beneficial.
Maybe instead of Delayed Again headlines could it have a positive spin?
May be for headlines to say "NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO BE IN FEDORA FOR
UPCOMING RELEASE.
Personally, I
Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:04:29 -0700
Alan Evans kirjoitti:
> In KMail (F17), where is the "Trash" folder? If I select a message
> and then click the "Move to Trash" button, where is the message moved
> to? How do I recover accidentally deleted messages?
>
> On the sidebar, there is only "inbox," "outb
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> That's just not a valid assumption to make.
>
ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>)
cfzeitler
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From various ditros have informed, that NM stopped autoconnecting
mobile broadband dingel dongels. Yes it is true. An what is mystery, it
it is still "broken".
Please, some of you NM guys reading this list, fix it. There is lot's of
reports done. So, is it purpose, or Bug? It has worked before 0.9
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 18:08 +0100, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for trying to help Patrick, but just installing
> debuginfo-packages won't tell me where a crash happend.
>
> It would be very helpful if somebody could tell me, how to resolve a
> crash address to a function name - or ev
Hello,
I got proper excited seeing this post on OMG Ubuntu =>
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/live-wallpaper-for-ubuntu and wondering if
it could be done on Fedora or not.
I know it requires compiz but if someone can tell me how to compile this on my
machine , I would be ever obliged :)
> Binary version of http://clipgrab.de/en works just fine in Fedora 17.
> On-line you can use http://keepvid.com/
Erm, but how do I run this clipgrab thing?
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> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:44:22 -0200
> From: sergiocmailbox-userl...@yahoo.com.br
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: Download video from vimeo
>
>
> Binary version of http://clipgrab.de/en works just fine in Fedora 17.
> On-line you can use http://keepvid.com/
Amazing software
On 11/01/2012 07:44 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
> That's actually my point. If they're in the middle of a re-write then
> yes there are going to be bugs and they probably know what they are.
That's just not a valid assumption to make.
Rahul
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Hi,
I have a host with an ethernet interface and an alias that I've
created. I need packets to specifically be routed through the alias
interface because that is the IP address the remote host is expecting.
Should I do this using SNAT or otherwise with iptables? Does someone
have an example they
On 11/01/2012 06:13 PM, Steve wrote:
On 11/01/2012 07:10 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
On 11/01/2012 05:54 PM, Steve wrote:
Is anyone using UPNP on Fedora ? As a server or a client ?
Yes, both
It can be pretty annoying to set up (as far as the firewall goes),
but otherwise works fine
Detai
On 11/01/2012 07:10 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
On 11/01/2012 05:54 PM, Steve wrote:
Is anyone using UPNP on Fedora ? As a server or a client ?
Yes, both
It can be pretty annoying to set up (as far as the firewall goes), but
otherwise works fine
Details, please ! What are you using for
On 11/01/2012 05:54 PM, Steve wrote:
Is anyone using UPNP on Fedora ? As a server or a client ?
Yes, both
It can be pretty annoying to set up (as far as the firewall goes), but
otherwise works fine
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 09:10:39AM +1100, Roger wrote:
> Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release
It's not supposed to be bleeding. It's supposed to be leading. I mean that
very seriously. That's the mission. And it needs to work in order to support
that.
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On 11/1/2012 10:01, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:55:28PM +1100, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
>> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
>> do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt it's
>
> Ubuntu has also shipped a known-broken
On 1 November 2012 22:10, Roger wrote:
>
> Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release deadlines are
> beneficial.
You do need some kind of plan.
> Maybe instead of Delayed Again headlines could it have a positive spin?
> May be for headlines to say "NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO BE IN
On 11/02/2012 07:50 AM, ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
If what you mean though is the 'rigid schedule' bit, then yes that
seems to be part of the problem. And the move to F18 does mean a big
functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is. It
seems that the work on the installer was i
On 01.11.2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Ubuntu has also shipped a known-broken release just to meet the date. We
> don't do that.
Right so!
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Yes, I mean the second. I appreciate the ability to go in and type "yum
update" all the time for all the great bug fixes and such. It's the
have-to-do-a-full-version thing on a rigid schedule I don't think is necessary.
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Ian Malone wrote:
On 1 November 2012 16:31, wro
On 11/01/2012 02:06 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
Hello,
In windows, there's this software called Internet Download Manager (IDM) which
performs all sort of cool grab and stuff, it even shows a tiny download button
on top of videos through which I can download them.
I was wondering if there's s
On 1 November 2012 16:31, wrote:
>
> Personally, I think the problem is the obsession with regular upgrades to
> new versions on a rigid schedule whether an upgrade is warranted or not, not
> the fact that they're failing in that obsession. If I have Fedora 17
> installed and things haven't chan
A thought, as it looks like a permission/access err, might you look in the
application log
for err in log creation/writing?
*Failed to create temp file provider*
also, what did google say about how to increasing log level for this
service?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Christopher Svanefa
On 10/31/2012 02:58 AM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 30 October 2012, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) sent:
I have just installed Fedora 17 from the DVD. I used text
mode installation and later converted to GUI mode using
yum groupinstall "X Window System" Desktop
and configuring systemd.
Ple
On 11/01/2012 11:59 AM, Alan Evans wrote:
My workstations are still Fedora, and I'm awkwardly trying to learn KDE
because I can't stomach GNOME 3. But Fuduntu seems to be designed with a
mind toward the netbook.
If KDE doesn't turn out to be what you like, try Xfce; I've been very
happy with
FWIW, my netbook switched to Fuduntu (fuduntu.org) some time ago and it
seems like a really good fit, especially if you prefer GNOME 2.
My workstations are still Fedora, and I'm awkwardly trying to learn KDE
because I can't stomach GNOME 3. But Fuduntu seems to be designed with a
mind toward the n
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 12:42 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6580/bodysnatcherstroll.jpg
I was trying to figure out what a body snatcher stroll would look like
(a zombie shuffle?), before I clicked on the link and saw what it
was. ;-)
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On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 13:20 +, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> Also what do you think does more damage shipping broken
> code or shipping late ?
Damage to the users, or the product?
Microsoft's been shipping damaged goods for as long as they've been
around, hasn't stopped them from doing it, but has mad
On Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:46:30 AM Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 09:39 AM, Lester M. Petrie Jr. issued this missive:
> > On Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:29:12 AM Rick Stevens wrote:
> > > On 11/01/2012 06:10 AM, Lester M. Petrie Jr. issued this missive:
> > > > The default stacksiz
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 04:19:23PM +, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > > WTF - systemd was introduced in F15
> > Not true. It was on by default, but introduced in F14 -- or possibly even
> > F13. It was proposed as a default for F14 but it wasn't mature enough.
> Could someone please tell me what I ne
>
> Also what do you think does more damage shipping broken
> code or shipping late ?
>
The jokes almost write themselves: "And with Fedora, we get both!" *ducks*
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Hi,
Thanks for trying to help Patrick, but just installing
debuginfo-packages won't tell me where a crash happend.
It would be very helpful if somebody could tell me, how to resolve a
crash address to a function name - or even better a line number, so
that I can file a bug-report.
Thanks, Cleme
In KMail (F17), where is the "Trash" folder? If I select a message and then
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On 11/01/2012 09:39 AM, Lester M. Petrie Jr. issued this missive:
On Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:29:12 AM Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 06:10 AM, Lester M. Petrie Jr. issued this missive:
> > The default stacksize on my machine (Fedora 17, KDE) is apparently 8Mb.
> > I think that ri
On Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:29:12 AM Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 06:10 AM, Lester M. Petrie Jr. issued this missive:
> > The default stacksize on my machine (Fedora 17, KDE) is apparently 8Mb.
> > I think that ridiculous. A long time ago I knew how to change it, but I
> > have forgott
Thanks Jack but on F14 it was another rewrite, based on how it was handling
tty's, and it's gone into /etc/init.
It's worked and now I'm receiving faxes on the 1st modem on the production
server. Unfortunately, the PCI serial card isn't supported by the 2.6 kernel
so I'm going to have to build
Personally, I think the problem is the obsession with regular upgrades to
new versions on a rigid schedule whether an upgrade is warranted or not,
not the fact that they're failing in that obsession. If I have Fedora 17
installed and things haven't changed so much, then just upgrade the
exis
service start
man service for details, see also chkconfig --list
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Gary Stainburn <
gary.stainb...@ringways.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thursday 01 November 2012 16:04:01 Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 04:45:45PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > > WTF - s
On 11/01/2012 06:10 AM, Lester M. Petrie Jr. issued this missive:
The default stacksize on my machine (Fedora 17, KDE) is apparently 8Mb.
I think that ridiculous. A long time ago I knew how to change it, but I
have forgotten what I knew, and it probably wouldn't work now anyway. So
how do I set t
On Thursday 01 November 2012 16:19:23 Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Could someone please tell me what I need to do to get the equivelent
> working on a F14 system.
>
> Ta
>
> Gary
Sorry,just found that although the /etc/systemd structure is in there, it is
still using the old /etc/init.d/rc.d/ structur
On Thursday 01 November 2012 16:04:01 Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 04:45:45PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > WTF - systemd was introduced in F15
>
> Not true. It was on by default, but introduced in F14 -- or possibly even
> F13. It was proposed as a default for F14 but it wasn'
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:55:28 -0400
Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:37:56PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > > Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
> > > Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
> > It may be written so but in that case then the current Fedora project is
> >
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 04:45:45PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> WTF - systemd was introduced in F15
Not true. It was on by default, but introduced in F14 -- or possibly even
F13. It was proposed as a default for F14 but it wasn't mature enough.
> F14/F15 are EOL and NOT suitable for production
finally free software DOES not need the same bullshit as marketing
driven comanies do "release for the sake of a release and let
us fix broken things sometimes in the future"
>
I totally agree.
2012/11/1 Reindl Harald
>
>
> Am 01.11.2012 04:55, schrieb Junayeed Ahnaf:
> > I'm seeing that Fedor
WTF - systemd was introduced in F15
F14/F15 are EOL and NOT suitable for production
Am 01.11.2012 16:43, schrieb Gary Stainburn:
> The following file is the one I created for my F 17 test bed system which
> worked fine.
>
> I've not put it onto my production F 14 system but it won't start.
> En
Am 01.11.2012 04:55, schrieb Junayeed Ahnaf:
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
> from Michael isn't looking too good
> either: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
so what
often i would love there would not be any announced releas
i thought systemd didnt kick in until f15 ?
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Gary Stainburn <
gary.stainb...@ringways.co.uk> wrote:
> The following file is the one I created for my F 17 test bed system which
> worked fine.
>
> I've not put it onto my production F 14 system but it won't start.
>
The following file is the one I created for my F 17 test bed system which
worked fine.
I've not put it onto my production F 14 system but it won't start.
Enable worked but the service didn't run on restart
I have no knowledge of systemd so I'm struggling here.
[root@lou system]# systemctl sta
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
> do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6580/bodysnatcherstroll.jpg
> Doesn't it hurt it's adoption rate to end users?
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this
> post from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
I still sleep at night.
> Distro like Ub
Now that I've got it working on my testbed server which was F17 I've tried to
install it on one of my production servers, running Fedora 14.
Unfortunately, although the ports are detected on startup and look very
similar to they did on F17 but when I try to access either of the ports I
get err
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:37:56PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
> > Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
> It may be written so but in that case then the current Fedora project is
> lousy at aiming in the direction it intends 8)
Let's just say ther
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:55 +1100, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date,
> what do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt
> it's adoption rate to end users?
It's irrelevant. New end users will use the current release. Up
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:03:42 -0400
Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 01:20:07PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
>
> Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
It may be written so but in that case then the current Fedora project is
lousy at ai
On 1 November 2012 12:59, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 05:56 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm not about to start hacking on Anaconda for all sorts of
>> reasons. If everyone on this list started contributing patches I doubt
>> that would actually get us closer to a 'solution'. Writing
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 01:20:07PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:55:28PM +1100, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
> do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt it's
Ubuntu has also shipped a known-broken release just to meet the date. We
don't do that.
Yes, but Fedora isn't loaded with bugs like Ubuntu. 12.04 has been a complete
mess with the latest "LTS" compared to 10.04
I would rather have quality and wait rather than a subpar distro that still
does not have kickseed capability with encryption.
Fr
It seems that F18 will be the first version where the recomended way of
installation will be installation of the previous version and distribution
upgrade ... :-).
Vaclav M.
On Nov 1, 2012 3:55 AM, "Junayeed Ahnaf" wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already,
I just bought a fast Intel series 520 SSD (240 GB, 550 MBytes/sec) to
replace my slower series 320 SSD (120 GB, 250MBytes/sec). I was
expecting the speed when reading the ssd to jump from my current read
speeds of around 250 MBytes/sec to (hopefully) something at least twice
that speed. The spec
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
> from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
>
>
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almos
The default stacksize on my machine (Fedora 17, KDE) is apparently 8Mb. I
think that ridiculous. A long time ago I knew how to change it, but I have
forgotten what I knew, and it probably wouldn't work now anyway. So how do I
set the default stacksize (what a user gets if they don't specify a
On 11/01/2012 05:56 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
> Well, I'm not about to start hacking on Anaconda for all sorts of
> reasons. If everyone on this list started contributing patches I doubt
> that would actually get us closer to a 'solution'. Writing code for
> the component in question isn't a prerequis
On 1 November 2012 11:56, Lawrence Graves wrote:
>
> On 11/01/2012 05:06 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
>>
>> On 1 November 2012 03:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
>>>
>>> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
>>> do
>>> you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it
On 11/01/2012 05:06 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 1 November 2012 03:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
Hello,
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
from Michael isn't looking too good either:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
Distro like Ubu
On 1 November 2012 03:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
> from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
>
>
>
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails
Why bother 18? There's stupid naming going on for 19.
Where hell you guys are rushing?
Belive me, there's end of a rope.
Jarmo
Seems to me that releases herald yet another way of designing and
managing a new Linux system with emerging technologies.
It does not matter if releases are delayed, n
On 11/01/2012 03:56 PM, jarmo wrote:
Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf kirjoitti:
Hello,
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this
post from Michael isn't looking too good either:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
Distro like
On Wednesday 31 October 2012 15:42:04 Alan Cox wrote:
>
> Explain what actually happened when you tried it. Also check the cables
> and the like are right (I'm guessing you've tried the same modem/cable on
> ttyS0 ?).
Basically, nothing happened. The ports were detected during startup but when I
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> You guys know anything?
https://github.com/johnteslade/vimeo-downloader
https://github.com/bf4/vimeo_downloader
Gabriel
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