Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread Steven Stern
On 10/25/2012 08:46 PM, ven...@billoblog.com wrote: > > Sorry if this is the wrong forum -- if it is, please direct me to the > right one. > > I rent a virtual personal server in another city that runs Fedora 16. I > want to upgrade it to 17. I did the yum-based preupgrade and such, but > am st

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/26/2012 06:04 AM, jdow wrote: yum upgrade? Thanks to Fedora's (IMO: absurd) UsrMove "Feature", this doesn't work smoothly for ->F17 upgrades. IIRC, there's a wiki page somewhere (on Fedoraproject.org?) describing the nasty details - It's pretty tedious and risky ;) Ralf -- users m

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread jdow
yum upgrade? {^_^} On 2012/10/25 19:47, ven...@billoblog.com wrote: I did -- he said that it was my responsibility to upgrade the virtual machine. The service they would provide would only be a reinstall of the image of Fedora 16. The bottom line is that I'm give a virtual box and 5 static ip

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread vendor
I did -- he said that it was my responsibility to upgrade the virtual machine. The service they would provide would only be a reinstall of the image of Fedora 16. The bottom line is that I'm give a virtual box and 5 static ips, and all maintenance is my responsibility. billo On Thu, 25 Oc

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread Doug
On 10/25/2012 09:46 PM, ven...@billoblog.com wrote: Sorry if this is the wrong forum -- if it is, please direct me to the right one. I rent a virtual personal server in another city that runs Fedora 16. I want to upgrade it to 17. I did the yum-based preupgrade and such, but am stuck. Th

Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread vendor
Sorry if this is the wrong forum -- if it is, please direct me to the right one. I rent a virtual personal server in another city that runs Fedora 16. I want to upgrade it to 17. I did the yum-based preupgrade and such, but am stuck. The instructions I read said to reboot and then choose

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Fernando Lozano wrote: > Java could be a really nice platform for games, but Sun/Oracle/etc focused > on the "EE" edition, the SE/ME editions didn't evolved quick enough to make > a real impact on the games and desktop market. :-( Things are moving forward quite

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Alan Evans
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 25.10.2012 01:09, schrieb Alan Evans: >> Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to >> keep things backward-compatible. The Linux kernel devs seem, at least >> to the uninitiated, to have some kind of animosity to

Re: logrotate/logwatch error on fc15

2012-10-25 Thread Alex
>> The script should be written to use 'file' not just parse the extension. > > > Why? Just because in <.001% of the time the extension will be wrong? Not > exactly an efficient use of resources. Are you in that much of a hurry to get your logwatch reports? I'd prefer to have a more accurate pro

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, I don't know any serious games producer who considers Java anything but a comedy item. Oh RLY? I expected that sort of prejudiced comment... that´s why I had the following link up my sleeve... We were talking mobile... For desk accessories like angry birds maybe - but its too slow for thin

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.10.2012 01:09, schrieb Alan Evans: > Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to > keep things backward-compatible. The Linux kernel devs seem, at least > to the uninitiated, to have some kind of animosity to the very idea of > ABI compatibility. > > Witness VMWare

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:14:36 -0300 Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > I don't know any serious games producer who considers Java anything but a > > comedy item. > > > Oh RLY? I expected that sort of prejudiced comment... that´s why I had > the fol

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > I don't know any serious games producer who considers Java anything but a > comedy item. Oh RLY? I expected that sort of prejudiced comment... that´s why I had the following link up my sleeve... We were talking mobile... Web gaming technologi

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 October 2012 13:20, Tim wrote: > Even on the most prolific OS, Windows, sound and graphics are the two > main problems, and it looks like they always will be. Then there's the > issue that only the game players with money will have a computer system > with a good enough graphics cards. Th

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Alan Cox
> In my humble opinion (humble but strong ;)... that´s what Java is for. > :) to isolate app development from the underlying complexities of each > system. With OpenJDK 7 on almost every distro, soon OpenJDK 8, and JavaFX > -soon to be fully open source, see below- things will only get better.

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Alan Evans wrote: > Of course. I was only using that as an example. What I meant to convey > (and I clearly did a poor job) was that this problem runs through the > system, starting at the deepest levels. I don't even bother sending > binaries to a co-worker, who

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 12:37 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: > Oh, and sound, the weird state of sound for years was a problem too. > Games are supposed to be fun, too much end user configuration to get > them working puts people off before you've started. The few brief years that I put up with Windows, a

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 October 2012 08:25, Ian Malone wrote: > On 25 October 2012 04:37, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 16:09:17 -0700, >> Alan Evans wrote: >>> >>> >>> Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to >>> keep things backward-compatible. The Linux kernel

Ubuntu Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/10/12 23:04, Paul Stuffins wrote: "give us some money" page before you get to download the ISO. iirc, they're not breaking any freedom by doing so. They are asking for a donation, as does many projects on Sourceforge. -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- users mailing list users

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Paul Stuffins wrote: > Don't forget that there are hundreds of distros, that may or may not use > different versions of the same libraries. As an example, Ubuntu uses > Gnome3, but not Gnome Shell, Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu uses a > fork of Gnome2, Fedor

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 October 2012 04:37, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 16:09:17 -0700, > Alan Evans wrote: >> >> >> Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to >> keep things backward-compatible. The Linux kernel devs seem, at least >> to the uninitiated, to have so