Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

2012-07-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On 19/07/12 20:06, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/19/2012 11:46 AM, David Boles wrote: My only comment is to*please* don't choose to use really stupid names like Ubuntu uses. You mean like "Beefy Miracle?" Seriously, I always thought that Fedora 18's code name should be a celebration of Life. "Whoo

Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

2012-07-20 Thread DJ Delorie
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Re: Hard drive not mounting

2012-07-20 Thread antonio montagnani
Il 19/07/2012 22:13, Reindl Harald ha scritto: Am 19.07.2012 22:08, schrieb Richard Vickery: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mailto:mellert...@gmail.com>> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2012 11:27 AM, antonio montagnani wrot

Re: remove avahi default services

2012-07-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/21/2012 01:26 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > Why don't you just > > systemctl disable avahi-daemon.service Orif you want to discover...but don't want to announce... edit /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf modify to change to disable-publishing=yes and restart the service -- Neve

Re: gnome 3 extensions install fails silently

2012-07-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/21/2012 01:50 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > #yum install lg This is F17 root@f17 ~]# yum info lg Loaded plugins: downloadonly, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit Error: No matching Packages to list So, may you need to explain more where you got "lg" from and what "lg" is? -- Never

Re: gnome 3 extensions install fails silently

2012-07-20 Thread Richard Vickery
#yum install LG - sorry, Android tablet is not letting me On Jul 20, 2012 1:04 PM, "Patrick Dupre" wrote: > > On 2012-07-20 21:51, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> >> Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >>> >>> Any clues on how to debug this further? >> >> >> Press ALT+F2 and type "lg" into the run prompt. Look a

Re: remove avahi default services

2012-07-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/18/2012 12:28 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > why are "ssh.service" and "udisks.service" randomly > installed after they are deleted because i do NOT > want that my machines braodcasting any services? > > avahi is only running for "avahi-browse --all" to discover network > > [root@srv-rhsoft:/etc/

Re: Hard drive not mounting

2012-07-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.07.2012 22:08, schrieb Richard Vickery: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson > wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/08/2012 11:27 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: > >> > > same usb stick is

Re: Raid 1/10 on Fedora 15 and /var full

2012-07-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.07.2012 12:00, schrieb Aero Maxx: > I have a raid 1/10 setup working great doing what it does, but the /var > partition which I wasn't aware of until now > is where my mysql database are stored and this isn't on the raid 10, thats > not that much of an issue, I would be > gutted if I lost

remove avahi default services

2012-07-20 Thread Reindl Harald
why are "ssh.service" and "udisks.service" randomly installed after they are deleted because i do NOT want that my machines braodcasting any services? avahi is only running for "avahi-browse --all" to discover network [root@srv-rhsoft:/etc/avahi/services]$ ls insgesamt 8,0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root

kernel-3.4.6-2.fc17.x86_64 boots instead resuming from hibernation

2012-07-20 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi all Did somebody try to resume after hibernating with kernel-3.4.6-2.fc17? In my box, the system always reboots and does not resume. No such effect with kernel-3.4.5-2.fc17. Kind regards Joachim Backes https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Chris Tyler
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 11:07 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/20/2012 05:25 AM, Tim wrote: > > Whether that be Java, or Flash, or anything else. It seems far too > > common that a programmer would not care that their program is > > ridiculously inefficient to the point that multitasking becomes nearl

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Veeti Paananen
On 07/20/2012 11:00 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Back to Vuze, that figure is less than 8% of available RAM on a 2GB > system and 16% of RAM on a 1GB RAM system. Also, Vuze is much more > than a simple Bittorrent client, it provides embedded playback, cd > burning, etc. Comparing it with uTorrent i

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/20/2012 01:04 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: As a result you could be using a 8MB RAM DOS machine And remember, folks, in those days 8MB RAM was HUGE! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: SELinux on Fedora 17 - troubles, troubles, troubles, ...

2012-07-20 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/20/2012 03:19 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > On 19.07.2012 15:41, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 07/19/2012 05:24 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: >>> Why is using of SELinux on Fedora (I don't have experience with other >>> distros) so painful f

Re: Gnome 3 Copy Progress Bar

2012-07-20 Thread James Wilkinson
Tim wrote: > Having said all that, I much prefer how another OS I used to work, > worked. Writes to drives were completely completed (file written to the > disc, plus the directory data updated) in one go, and you could pull a > disc out moments later. There was no mounting or unmounting. And >

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > Very few programmers, any more, are taught to be frugal with memory. a good example of tight code was Image Alchemy, a shareware command line app for image conversion, for DOS, Win32, and also OS/2. It analyzed the image then did the conversion i

Re: gnome 3 extensions install fails silently

2012-07-20 Thread Patrick Dupre
On 2012-07-20 21:51, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Any clues on how to debug this further? Press ALT+F2 and type "lg" into the run prompt. Look at the "Errors" tab for more clues. lg, I do not have such a command! -- =

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Veeti Paananen wrote: > Vuze gobbled up 160 megabytes instantly which is completely > unacceptable for a torrent client. I haven't tested myself but I'll take your figure at face value. So what? There's bloated apps in c,c++, java, you name it. I run a Java based

Re: gnome 3 extensions install fails silently

2012-07-20 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > Any clues on how to debug this further? Press ALT+F2 and type "lg" into the run prompt. Look at the "Errors" tab for more clues. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/list

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/20/2012 05:25 AM, Tim wrote: Whether that be Java, or Flash, or anything else. It seems far too common that a programmer would not care that their program is ridiculously inefficient to the point that multitasking becomes nearly impossible. Very few programmers, any more, are taught to b

Re: Gnome 3 Copy Progress Bar

2012-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/20/2012 02:28 AM, Ian Malone wrote: This might be something that needs improved, if you don't notice or your device doesn't have a transfer light (some USB sticks might not and on other devices it's less obvious) then you could end up taking it out while data is still writing. It's not unco

Re: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse

2012-07-20 Thread John Aldrich
Quoting Tom Horsley : Jesus! I could see producing an ubuntu package to utterly eradicate Unity from your ubuntu box, but deliberately help to advance and perpetuate Unity? These people are the spawn of Satan! I agree. That's why I switched from straight Ubuntu to KUbuntu on my laptop. On my

Re: Strange application lockups

2012-07-20 Thread Don Levey
On 7/20/2012 12:14, Emmett Culley wrote: > Mine is a 64bit system and virtually all KDE packages are installed. > It has been happening since soon after installing (fresh) Fedora 17. > > Like Don noted, when this is happening I have no problem switching > between desktops, so plasma isn't the cul

Re: Strange application lockups

2012-07-20 Thread Emmett Culley
Mine is a 64bit system and virtually all KDE packages are installed. It has been happening since soon after installing (fresh) Fedora 17. Like Don noted, when this is happening I have no problem switching between desktops, so plasma isn't the culprit, it seems. Because I always see abrt-apple

Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

2012-07-20 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/20/2012 02:54 AM, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 01:00 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: >> I think this beefy miracle, and the spherical cow - made an radical >> step that grabs attention, and everybody wants to know our system. > > There's a difference between piquing interest, and setting y

gnome 3 extensions install fails silently

2012-07-20 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
Attempting to install the "put windows" extension for gnome3: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/39/put-windows/ I get the "Download and install 'Put Window' from extensions.gnome.org?" dialog and OK it and the extension apparently fails to install somewhere. Couldn't find anything obvious (

Re: Strange application lockups

2012-07-20 Thread Mark C. Allman
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 08:42 -0400, Don Levey wrote: > On 7/20/2012 01:12, Emmett Culley wrote: > ... > > > > My system is running KDE and is fully updated (30 minutes ago) via the > > default repositories. > > > > Is any body else seeing this? > > > I have a similar, but perhaps more drastic, pr

Re: Gnome 3 Copy Progress Bar

2012-07-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 July 2012 13:52, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > On 20.07.2012 11:28, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 20 July 2012 08:45, Shibi wrote: >>> File has been transferred to the disc caching, but the cache hasn't transferred to the media? >>> the copy dialog is destroyed as soon as transfer

Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

2012-07-20 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/20/2012 02:05 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Not sure what this has to do with naming Fedora releases, > but I very much hope that hibernate is not removed, > as I use it all the time without problem, > and find it extremely useful. Absolutely. It is extremely useful, and removing it makes us

Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

2012-07-20 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I hear that hibernate is >> no longer supported in latest releases/updates because it has become too >> complicated to support.I do not know if this is true, but if so, I >> hope very much that F does not go that route. > > It probably will and has been suggested.

Re: Gnome 3 Copy Progress Bar

2012-07-20 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 20.07.2012 11:28, Ian Malone wrote: > On 20 July 2012 08:45, Shibi wrote: >> >>> File has been transferred to the disc caching, but the cache hasn't >>> transferred to the media? >>> >> the copy dialog is destroyed as soon as transfer to cache is being >> completed, but file transfer from cache

Re: Strange application lockups

2012-07-20 Thread Don Levey
On 7/20/2012 01:12, Emmett Culley wrote: ... > > My system is running KDE and is fully updated (30 minutes ago) via the > default repositories. > > Is any body else seeing this? > I have a similar, but perhaps more drastic, problem. When I run KDE, *everything* will lock up after some undetermi

Re: SELinux on Fedora 17 - troubles, troubles, troubles, ...

2012-07-20 Thread Zdenek Pytela
Mateusz Marzantowicz (mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl) writes: > I have one more question: is there a method to reset selinux attributes > on file system objects to factory defaults, meaning the state after > fresh installation? restorecon(8) restorecon filename restorecon -R /path -- --Zdenek Pytela,

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Yes, programmers seem to forget that just because you have X amount of >> RAM and y CPU speed, that you don't want one program to use all of it by >> itself. You want to be able to do several things simultaneously. Ian Malone > Programmers generally write the programme to do what it's mea

Re: Gnome 3 Copy Progress Bar

2012-07-20 Thread Tim
Shibi: >> the copy dialog is destroyed as soon as transfer to cache is being >> completed, but file transfer from cache to media is still going on while >> there is no indication of it on screen. Ian Malone: > This might be something that needs improved, if you don't notice or > your device doesn

Re: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse

2012-07-20 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote: > > I only WISH I knew how to build my own version of Linux! I'd > (of course!) test the heck out of it until I knew that every piece of > hardware or software worked with it, or else I'd build my own > "alternative" Here you go: http://www.linuxfromscratch.o

Re: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse

2012-07-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 July 2012 11:14, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:09:06 -0700 > Edward M wrote: > >> Interesting seeing opensuse producing Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for >> fedora 17? > > Jesus! I could see producing an ubuntu package to utterly > eradicate Unity from your ubuntu box, but delibe

Re: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse

2012-07-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:09:06 -0700 Edward M wrote: > Interesting seeing opensuse producing Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for > fedora 17? Jesus! I could see producing an ubuntu package to utterly eradicate Unity from your ubuntu box, but deliberately help to advance and perpetuate Unity? These peop

Re: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse

2012-07-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 July 2012 02:32, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote: > > On 07/19/2012 09:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> IMO, it is kind of like the nVidia binary blob Go ahead and >> installjust >> don't expect anyone here to fix it if it breaks. :-) :-) >> >> > Which is the worst thing anyone can do!

Re: Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for fedora by opensuse

2012-07-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 July 2012 02:09, Edward M wrote: > hello, > > Interesting seeing opensuse producing Ubuntu's Unity desktop repo for > fedora 17? > > > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Ayatana/Fedora_17/ See this thread http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-July/169992.html on

Re: Gnome 3 Copy Progress Bar

2012-07-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 July 2012 08:45, Shibi wrote: > > >> File has been transferred to the disc caching, but the cache hasn't >> transferred to the media? >> > the copy dialog is destroyed as soon as transfer to cache is being > completed, but file transfer from cache to media is still going on while > there is

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 July 2012 08:52, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 02:36 +0300, Veeti Paananen wrote: >> Out of curiosity, I tried installing one of the examples you mentioned >> and Vuze gobbled up 160 megabytes instantly which is completely >> unacceptable for a torrent client. >> >> That might not sound

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/20/2012 12:36 AM, Veeti Paananen wrote: > Speaking of RAM, I try to avoid Java-based desktop applications like the > plague because almost every single one of them seems to hog up a minimum > of 100MB (and usually more) of RAM immediately. Are you sure that really is RSS? Java maps a big bl

Re: Proposal request for ideas on naming Fedora releases.

2012-07-20 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 01:00 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > I think this beefy miracle, and the spherical cow - made an radical > step that grabs attention, and everybody wants to know our system. There's a difference between piquing interest, and setting yourself up for ridicule. Spherical cow sou

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-20 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 02:36 +0300, Veeti Paananen wrote: > Out of curiosity, I tried installing one of the examples you mentioned > and Vuze gobbled up 160 megabytes instantly which is completely > unacceptable for a torrent client. > > That might not sound like a lot nowadays, but it adds up sur

Re: Gnome 3 Copy Progress Bar

2012-07-20 Thread Shibi
File has been transferred to the disc caching, but the cache hasn't > transferred to the media? > > the copy dialog is destroyed as soon as transfer to cache is being completed, but file transfer from cache to media is still going on while there is no indication of it on screen. -- Shahab Shahs

Re: SELinux on Fedora 17 - troubles, troubles, troubles, ...

2012-07-20 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 19.07.2012 15:41, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 07/19/2012 05:24 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > > Why is using of SELinux on Fedora (I don't have experience with other > > distros) so painful from a regular user perspective? > > > I'm talking about situation in which after installing stock packa

F17: minor issue on screen brightness

2012-07-20 Thread Antonio M
I am using a bunch of laptops (none of them is fresh) : on my work Acer 5720 with Intel graphics I note that screen brightness is not kept, i.e. at start up I have to increase it a little bit by using keyboard. Maybe it has already been discussed...where shall I have to look?? Tnx -- Antonio Mo