Re: F17- Internal USB hub not working

2012-07-07 Thread antonio montagnani
Mikkel L. Ellertson ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 08/07/2012 01:48: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/2012 12:06 PM, antonio montagnani wrote: I installed a cheap USB hub and multi-card reader. I get it working only as card reader, nothing seems be workin

sendmail

2012-07-07 Thread rb
I'm trying to send email, using sendmail, with authentication port 587 and credentials. I modified sendmail.mc as follows: TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`EXTERNAL DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `EXTERNAL GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl FEATURE(`authinfo',`hash /et

Re: F17- Internal USB hub not working

2012-07-07 Thread antonio montagnani
Il 08/07/2012 01:48, Mikkel L. Ellertson ha scritto: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/2012 12:06 PM, antonio montagnani wrote: I installed a cheap USB hub and multi-card reader. I get it working only as card reader, nothing seems be working when external devices are conn

Re: Please Relax was: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
Sorry!...this made me laugh out LOUD!too funny! EGO II On 07/08/2012 01:25 AM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Robert Myers > wrote: Not to worry. Just as soon as you stop talking about me, I'll disappear. If you want to refer

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI onlist

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/08/2012 01:13 AM, Roger wrote: My opinion. so NO microsoft is not in any position to control the x86 market I have been watching this thread with interest. Conversation to date raises, for me, a number of points. 1. None of this would be necessary if Microsoft produced quality, secure

Re: Please Relax was: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-07 Thread Richard Vickery
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Richard Vickery < richard.vicker...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > >> >> >> Not to worry. Just as soon as you stop talking about me, I'll >> disappear. If you want to refer to someone by their last name, it is >> custom

Re: Please Relax was: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-07 Thread Richard Vickery
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > > > Not to worry. Just as soon as you stop talking about me, I'll > disappear. If you want to refer to someone by their last name, it is > customary to use the appropriate honorific, the last name by itself > being taken as rude. In my case

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI onlist

2012-07-07 Thread Roger
My opinion. so NO microsoft is not in any position to control the x86 market I have been watching this thread with interest. Conversation to date raises, for me, a number of points. 1. None of this would be necessary if Microsoft produced quality, secure operating systems in the first instanc

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI onlist

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 11:37 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: so NO microsoft is not in any position to control the x86 market if they try federal commissions and the european union are the first rember them on their own history (maybe you are not ^(remember) aware of because too young) http://en.w

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 10:17 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 07.07.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: do not buy the cheapest consumer crap and you are on the safe side in the BUSINESS market microsoft has nothing to say, really! Here in Norway, ~99% of all institutions use Windows. Both Windows 7 for their desktop

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 09:21 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.07.2012 15:05, schrieb Fernando Cassia: Thus, for starters, RedHat´s decision to pay for a signing key is the practical approach, so users will be able to boot Fedora without tweaking their BIOS/CMOS settings. But what I think could be challen

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 09:05 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On x86 systems, the ability to disable secure boot is mandated by Microsoft and needed to debug Microsoft drivers and since all the hardware manufacturers want to comply to this specification,

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 08:55 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: We're not. Micr*soft dominates, and they can virtually do anything they like. Not if the US DOJ and the Federal Trade Comission gets involved. Remember the US-DOJ trial with judge Thomas Penfiel

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 04:08 AM, Kevin Wilson wrote: Hi, Than a lot for your quick answer! kevin On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 07/07/12 08:57, Kevin Wilson wrote: see http://lwn.net/Articles/503803 That this means that from F18 on, fedora will cost 99$ for every installatio

Re: Please Relax was: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote: > > On 07/07/2012 12:38 AM, Richard Vickery wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I > wrote: >> >> To place my two cents in this: I'm going to capitalize the most important >> words in my statement so that there

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 08:44 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: Once, long ago--actually, on Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 12:20:02AM +0100--Alan Cox (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: Many Android ARM based devices are already locked down. In shouting at Microsoft on the ARM issue you need to point fingers at a lot of other p

Re: F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/2012 09:23 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/07/2012 05:08 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Under Gnome, if you open Advanced Settings --> Theme --> Cursor >> theme you can select different cursor themes including different >> colors and sizes. The only hard part is that you do not get a previe

Matching message headers in mutt hooks

2012-07-07 Thread suvayu ali
Hi mutt using Fedora users, I am trying to set the from name based on the "Delivered-To:" message header. In my case, the header has values like this: Delivered-To: mygmailid+keyw...@gmail.com This is what I have tried: reply-hook "~h 'Delivered-To: mygmailid+keyword@gmail\.com'" \

Re: F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2012 05:08 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Under Gnome, if you open Advanced Settings --> Theme --> Cursor theme you can select different cursor themes including different colors and sizes. The only hard part is that you do not get a preview. Interesting. Under Xfce, when you go to Set

Re: Please Relax was: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-07 Thread Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I
On 07/07/2012 12:38 AM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I mailto:eoconno...@gmail.com>> wrote: To place my two cents in this: I'm going to capitalize the most important words in my statement so that there's no confusion: In MY PERSONAL OPI

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 12:20:02AM +0100--Alan Cox (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: > Many Android ARM based devices are already locked down. In shouting at > Microsoft on the ARM issue you need to point fingers at a lot of other > people too. Quite true, and I'm happy t

Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 16:36:09 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/07/2012 04:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Since the standalone calendar client (sunbird) went away, thunderbird with the lightning extension seems to be one of the few choices for calendar clients. For the most part, I use GdeskCa

Re: F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/06/2012 08:54 PM, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 20:33 +, Beartooth wrote: >> But even the control key function *and* a pair of eyes on each of >> two panels, together, are still more distracting and less convenient >> than a good big mo

Re: F17- Internal USB hub not working

2012-07-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/2012 12:06 PM, antonio montagnani wrote: > I installed a cheap USB hub and multi-card reader. > I get it working only as card reader, nothing seems be working when external devices are connected. > > Output of lsusb is: > > lsusb > Bus 001 De

Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2012 04:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Since the standalone calendar client (sunbird) went away, thunderbird with the lightning extension seems to be one of the few choices for calendar clients. For the most part, I use GdeskCal for a desktop calendar and for reminders. There are a fe

Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 17:43:30 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:04:07 -0700 As far as I'm concerned almost everything exceeds thunderbird (except evolution - it is even worse). Since the standalone calendar client (sunbird) went away, thunderbird with the lightning extensi

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:27:34 -0500 Dave Ihnat wrote: > Once, long ago--actually, on Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 02:54:11PM +0200--Reindl > Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) said: > > Micorsoft is NOT in teh position to close the x86 market only for > > them because if the would try it history repeats and

Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2012 03:35 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Mozarella foundation "gave up" with the SeaMonkey suite back in *2004* and everyone announced back then that Mozilla was dead. THEN the*COMMUNITY* of users and Mozilla advocates decided to accept the challenge and a small group of developers said "

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Richard Vickery
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 07/07/12 17:03, Richard Vickery wrote: > >> >> One can always go through Dell to get a Linux computer without the >> Micros**t crap. It comes with Ubuntu preinstalled, but one has the >> option of installing Fedora. >> >> > From what I gat

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread suvayu ali
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/07/2012 03:21 AM, suvayu ali wrote: >> >> I am more worried about "free" as in freedom. I don't quite grasp the >> implications as an end user. For example consider the following >> scenarios. > > > Didn't we hash this out less than a month a

Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Edward M
On 07/07/2012 02:43 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: I have used claws-mail for years now, and find it pretty much perfect for me. -- Thanks for recommendation i will give it a look. I want to get a head start if i dont like the plan mozilla has for thunderbird:-) -- users mailing list users@l

Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Edward M wrote: > hello, > > > read mozilla quits thunderbird dev and its future is uncertainly > I am sure thunderbird will go on but i may not like the new model of doing > things > so i need some recommendations on email clients that comes close or exceeds > thun

Re: OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:04:07 -0700 Edward M wrote: > so i need some recommendations on email clients that comes close or > exceeds thunderbird As far as I'm concerned almost everything exceeds thunderbird (except evolution - it is even worse). I have used claws-mail for years now, and find it pr

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 07.07.2012 13:58, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM, suvayu ali > wrote: >> I realise I can turn Secure Boot off, but hardware manufacturers have >> often dropped the ball on complying with standards. What if the next >> generation of motherboards/laptops make it hard

OT: mozilla quits thunderbird need recommendations

2012-07-07 Thread Edward M
hello, read mozilla quits thunderbird dev and its future is uncertainly I am sure thunderbird will go on but i may not like the new model of doing things so i need some recommendations on email clients that comes close or exceeds thunderbird reference: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-5746

Re: Amarok not playing m4a

2012-07-07 Thread Edward M
On 07/07/2012 12:57 PM, andrea wrote: I cant play m4a files with amarok. They do not even appear in the list of files when browsing. It is configured to use gstreamer and I have the following plugins installed PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.7.5-1.fc17.i686 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.

Amarok not playing m4a

2012-07-07 Thread andrea
I cant play m4a files with amarok. They do not even appear in the list of files when browsing. It is configured to use gstreamer and I have the following plugins installed PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.7.5-1.fc17.i686 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.23-7.fc17.i686 phonon-backend-gstreamer-

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/07/2012 03:21 AM, suvayu ali wrote: I am more worried about "free" as in freedom. I don't quite grasp the implications as an end user. For example consider the following scenarios. Didn't we hash this out less than a month ago? I know you've been on the list long enough to have seen it

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:14:19 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/07/2012 03:51 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > > > > > I am more worried about "free" as in freedom. I don't quite grasp > > the implications as an end user. For example consider the following > > scenarios. > > > > Can I freely choose to

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 10:57 +0300, Kevin Wilson wrote: > I have a question about UEFI in fedora 18: I see in lwn.net article: Wrong list. Ask on the Test list, not here. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorapr

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:34:21 -0500 Dave Ihnat wrote: > Once, long ago--actually, on Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 03:21:09PM > +0200--Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) said: > > the whole "secure boot" idea is crap > > Hmm...no, it's not. It's crap *as implemented*. > > Want a not-crap implementati

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/503803 > >   That this means that from F18 on, > fedora will cost 99$ for every installation? > > > > Discussion on fedora-devel is still ongoing: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/167732.html > > But from what I gather, > the fedoraproject a

Re: Please Relax was: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-07 Thread David
On 7/7/2012 1:26 AM, Alan Evans wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Robert Myers wrote: I've been using the Internet since when it was Arpanet, I've seen hackers at work when hacking meant standing at a telephone with a tone generator and reading the Bell System Technical Journal, and I know

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Rahul, On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Can I freely choose to use proprietary (or for that matter alternative >> free) drivers for my hardware from whatever source I prefer? > > On x86 systems, the ability to disable secure boot is mandated by > Microsoft and needed to

F17- Internal USB hub not working

2012-07-07 Thread antonio montagnani
I installed a cheap USB hub and multi-card reader. I get it working only as card reader, nothing seems be working when external devices are connected. Output of lsusb is: lsusb Bus 001 Device 009: ID 045e:0728 Microsoft Corp. Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1a40:0101 TERMINUS TECHNOLOGY INC. USB-2.0 4

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On 07/07/12 17:03, Richard Vickery wrote: One can always go through Dell to get a Linux computer without the Micros**t crap. It comes with Ubuntu preinstalled, but one has the option of installing Fedora. From what I gather before Dell stopped pushing the Dell\Ubuntu desktops, they were even

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Richard Vickery
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:58:31 -0300 > Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM, suvayu ali > > wrote: > > > > > > I realise I can turn Secure Boot off, but hardware manufacturers > > > have often dropped the ball on c

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI onlist

2012-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
> so NO microsoft is not in any position to control the x86 > market > if they try federal commissions and the european union are > the > first rember them on their own history (maybe you are not ^(remember) > aware of > because too young) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v.

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI onlist

2012-07-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On 07/07/12 14:14, Reindl Harald wrote: The tread is about _Fedora_ you refuse to understand what i am saying Fedora is NOT relevant because the point is how to run ANY FREE operating system (Linux, BSD, OpenSolaris, Whatever) To you maybe: The OP asked as per Subject:Fedora 18 and UEF

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 03:21:09PM +0200--Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) said: > the whole "secure boot" idea is crap Hmm...no, it's not. It's crap *as implemented*. Want a not-crap implementation? o Firmware ships with a non-MS form of UEFI. o You instal

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 02:54:11PM +0200--Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) said: > Micorsoft is NOT in teh position to close the x86 market only for > them because if the would try it history repeats and these days the > EU would be the next killing their business i

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.07.2012 15:05, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > Thus, for starters, RedHat´s decision to pay for a signing key is the > practical approach, so users will be able to boot Fedora without > tweaking their BIOS/CMOS settings. > > But what I think could be challenged with antitrust regulators is > Mi

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI onlist

2012-07-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.07.2012 14:51, schrieb Frank Murphy: > On 07/07/12 13:48, Reindl Harald wrote: there is a big enough market with customers which will make the pressure to the manufacturers to produce recent hardware where you can urn off secure boot >>> >>> Verified Statistics please? >> >>

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.07.2012 14:46, schrieb Carroll Grigsby: > On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:58:31 -0300 > Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: >> I think we are bigger enough to say no and buy only hardware >> compatible. > > Good luck with that! I've been thinking about replacing this computer > with something newer, so whe

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 07.07.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > do not buy the cheapest consumer crap and you are on the safe side > in the BUSINESS market microsoft has nothing to say, really! Here in Norway, ~99% of all institutions use Windows. Both Windows 7 for their desktop environment, and Windows server for their

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On x86 systems, the ability to disable secure boot is mandated by > Microsoft and needed to debug Microsoft drivers and since all the > hardware manufacturers want to comply to this specification, you can be > rest assured they will provide t

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > We're not. Micr*soft dominates, and they can virtually do anything > they like. Not if the US DOJ and the Federal Trade Comission gets involved. Remember the US-DOJ trial with judge Thomas Penfield Jackson found MSFT GUILTY. The fact that late

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI onlist

2012-07-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On 07/07/12 13:48, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.07.2012 14:45, schrieb Frank Murphy: On 07/07/12 13:34, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.07.2012 14:19, schrieb Frank Murphy: On 07/07/12 12:58, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: I think we are bigger enough to say no and buy only hardware compatible. Not

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.07.2012 14:34, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 07.07.2012, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > >> I think we are bigger enough to say no and buy only hardware compatible. > > We're not. Micr*soft dominates, and they can virtually do anything > they like. we are! do not buy the cheapest consumer cr

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.07.2012 14:19, schrieb Frank Murphy: > On 07/07/12 12:58, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: >> >> I think we are bigger enough to say no and buy only hardware compatible. >> > Not my first choice. > Been left with Old hardware as only option no thanks. who said that? there is a big enough market w

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:58:31 -0300 Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM, suvayu ali > wrote: > > > > I realise I can turn Secure Boot off, but hardware manufacturers > > have often dropped the ball on complying with standards. What if > > the next generation of motherboards

Re: [WWOT] Please Relax was: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.07.2012 02:35, schrieb Richard Vickery: > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Ed Greshko > wrote: > > You forgot to add [WWOT] to the subject line. > > -- > I don't know if Google lets me change a subject line when replying. If so, I > have yet to find

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/07/2012 03:51 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > > I am more worried about "free" as in freedom. I don't quite grasp the > implications as an end user. For example consider the following > scenarios. > > Can I freely choose to use proprietary (or for that matter alternative > free) drivers for my har

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 07.07.2012, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > I think we are bigger enough to say no and buy only hardware compatible. We're not. Micr*soft dominates, and they can virtually do anything they like. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 07.07.2012, suvayu ali wrote: > Can I freely choose to use proprietary (or for that matter alternative > free) drivers for my hardware from whatever source I prefer? As long as you use UEFI/secure boot, your driver has to be signed. So you have to build and deploy your own keypair/signatures

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On 07/07/12 12:58, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: I think we are bigger enough to say no and buy only hardware compatible. Not my first choice. Been left with Old hardware as only option no thanks. I think Linux is pragmatic, rather than dogmatic. -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- us

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > > I realise I can turn Secure Boot off, but hardware manufacturers have > often dropped the ball on complying with standards. What if the next > generation of motherboards/laptops make it harder to turn off secure > boot? Just to make it clear, t

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Rahul, On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Certificate authority is Verisign and this is purely between Red Hat and > the vendor. There is no money charged for users. Users will never be > asked to pay money to install or use Fedora. I am more worried about "free" as in

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/07/2012 02:00 PM, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > Kevin, > On 7 July 2012 08:57, Kevin Wilson wrote: >> http://lwn.net/Articles/503803 >> That this means that from F18 on, fedora will cost 99$ for every >> installation? > As I understand it, it's a one-off $99 payment for the dev portal > access f

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Hakan Koseoglu
Kevin, On 7 July 2012 08:57, Kevin Wilson wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/503803 > That this means that from F18 on, fedora will cost 99$ for every > installation? As I understand it, it's a one-off $99 payment for the dev portal access for the signing service, in the end actual money goes to t

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Kevin Wilson
Hi, Than a lot for your quick answer! kevin On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 07/07/12 08:57, Kevin Wilson wrote: >> >> see >> http://lwn.net/Articles/503803 >> That this means that from F18 on, fedora will cost 99$ for every >> installation? >> > > Discussion on fedora-d

Re: Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On 07/07/12 08:57, Kevin Wilson wrote: see http://lwn.net/Articles/503803 That this means that from F18 on, fedora will cost 99$ for every installation? Discussion on fedora-devel is still ongoing: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/167732.html But from what I gather,

Fedora 18 and UEFI

2012-07-07 Thread Kevin Wilson
Hi, everyone, I have a question about UEFI in fedora 18: I see in lwn.net article: "Fedora's strategy is to enroll in Microsoft's developer program, which allows the project to purchase an approved $99 key through Verisign, a key which will be recognized by UEFI secure boot. The key will be used t