Re: Problem with mounting usb flash drives

2012-07-05 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 06.07.2012 06:07, JD wrote: > > Is this a problem with desktop, the kernel, or the udevd? > What tells you dmesg after inserting that flash card? Mateusz Marzantowicz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraprojec

problem in gnome-fallback :Fedora 15

2012-07-05 Thread magina antimage
Hi, FYI I have ported fedora 15 for my target board (x86 based arch.) when i switch any user to gnome-fallback mode,i cant relogin once i do switch-user.GDM login screen freezes and i have to restart my system. {also,switch user works fine if i use instead of gnom

Re: Problem with mounting usb flash drives

2012-07-05 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 06.07.2012, JD wrote: > Is this a problem with desktop, the kernel, or the udevd? Maybe, it's a problem with none of them. I have one machine with F16/XFCE and one with F17/awesome (which has XFCE as a "backup" DE), and both machines work flawlessly regarding your scenario. I can have as many

Problem with mounting usb flash drives

2012-07-05 Thread JD
Fc16 - latest updates Desktop: XFCE4 When I insert a flash stick in a usb slot, it appears on the desktop - but it does not get auto-mounted as it used to in gnome2. So, I right-click it's icon and wait 10 years for the desktop to respond with what I need to do, and I select to mount it. So far,

Re: gnote data imported to cherrytree

2012-07-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/06/2012 01:51 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Since at least F16 Fedora has included a progrwam for taking notes > called cherrytree seemingly a substitute for gnote or Tomboy. > > Now when you choose the import option one of the sub-options is to > import daqta from tomboy. Now tomboy does not e

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-05 Thread Bill Shirley
"As for the bullies here who think of themselves as the Internet police but who in reality are no better than a street gang, make the world a better place and find a competent therapist Robert Myers." You sir, crave attention. You've had your little flame war and it has died down. Now you're

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > You've got the rolling eyes in the wrong head. D'oh. You're funny, I give you that. Good luck! FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/li

Built-in memory card reader not working

2012-07-05 Thread JD
I have had this issue for a long time, just never bothered with it as I had no flash media to use it for. I just bought a 16GB secure digital Extreme Compact Flash (San Disk). System does not sense it's presence whenit is inserted into the memory card reader's slot. This is the memory card reader

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-05 Thread Robert Myers
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > I mean that the underlying packages are the same, the Flash plug-in is > the same as it is one proprietary piece of software originating from > Adobe. > > The same applies to virtualization, as you can run KVM or Virtualbox > on both. The

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Tim wrote: >> I fail to grasp what would be so fundamentally different between >> Ubuntu and Fedora with regards to virtualization and flash support. > > Ubuntu has Debian origins, Fedora has Red Hat. I mean that the underlying packages are the same, the Flash plug

Re: F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-05 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 17:24 -0400, Beartooth wrote: > My antiquated eyeballs have lots of trouble finding the mouse > cursor, especially when it turns itself into a very thin line, as it > often does in Pan and in gnome-terminal. > > The eyeballs on the panels help some, especially

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-05 Thread Robert Myers
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Edward M wrote: > On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: >> >> , and Fedora >> doesn't even aim at being a replacement for Windows. > > >If seeking a linux windows look-alike then maybe zorin may be it? > ¨Zorin OS is a multi-functional operating system s

Re: Redshift saved my eyes

2012-07-05 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:16:18 +0200 > Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > > > If you, like me, spend long hours at night in front of the screen, please > > do yourself a favor and install the Redshift package immediately. > > I've yet to see any data sa

Re: Redshift saved my eyes

2012-07-05 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:16:18 +0200 Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > If you, like me, spend long hours at night in front of the screen, please > do yourself a favor and install the Redshift package immediately. I've yet to see any data saying it has any medically measurable effect, while taking a br

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

2012-07-05 Thread Edward M
On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: , and Fedora doesn't even aim at being a replacement for Windows. If seeking a linux windows look-alike then maybe zorin may be it? ¨Zorin OS is a multi-functional operating system specifically for Windows users who want to have easy and smooth

Re: F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/05/2012 02:59 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: It is possible. Go to Settings -> Mouse and Touchpad. Under the tab Mouse, select "show position of the cursor when the Control key is pressed". After this, you can get the location of the cursor (with a nice animation) by just pressing CTRL.

Re: F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-05 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/05/2012 02:24 PM, Beartooth wrote: > >> Would somebody who knows how please make this available in >> Fedora, or write a pons asinorum for it? When you get seriously old, >> you'll be glad you did. >> > > Gnome 2 had something built

Re: [389-users] Syncing AD groups and multiple (samba) domains

2012-07-05 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/05/2012 03:52 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 07/03/2012 10:49 AM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 07/03/2012 10:45 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: We are looking to sync our groups between our ldap server and an AD server. Our LDAP server also serves a samba domain for one of our offices. As a resu

Re: searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/12 21:30, Aaron Konstam wrote: unrar is available in rpmfusion-nonfree-updates. But no rar. Seems either unfair or unsymmetrical. unrar has source available: http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm rar does not, it is commercial trial only: http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm It is devel

Re: F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/05/2012 02:24 PM, Beartooth wrote: Would somebody who knows how please make this available in Fedora, or write a pons asinorum for it? When you get seriously old, you'll be glad you did. Gnome 2 had something built in that would show you where the cursor was when you tapped the c

Re: searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, It's unusual because rar and its file format are closed (maybe patented). The vendor provides an open source unrar utility, and that's it. There are MUCH BETTER options, like 7-zip.org (p7zip is part of Fedora and is part of RHEL or can be added through EPEL, and is supported by File-Rol

Re: Redshift saved my eyes

2012-07-05 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
Redshift is simply a background service which adjusts the warmth of your screen color depending on the time of day. As the hours drag away into the night, they will move deeper and deeper into a warm, reddish shade (hard to describe, try it out), which is very easy on your eyes. I find it much more

Re: searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread Max Pyziur
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:15 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: Greetings, I'm searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar. I know that they can be found at Repoforge (http://repoforge.org/). However, they are for CentOS and RHEL. Are there any repos

Re: Redshift saved my eyes

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Wulf
Would be nice if you'd elaborated.  Who is responsible for it, where does it come from, what does it do specifically, etc... > > From: Christopher Svanefalk >To: Community support for Fedora users >Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:16 PM >Subject: Redshift saved

F17 cursor problem : request

2012-07-05 Thread Beartooth
My antiquated eyeballs have lots of trouble finding the mouse cursor, especially when it turns itself into a very thin line, as it often does in Pan and in gnome-terminal. The eyeballs on the panels help some, especially if I manage to center them. But CentOS 6 has a better way

Redshift saved my eyes

2012-07-05 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
If you, like me, spend long hours at night in front of the screen, please do yourself a favor and install the Redshift package immediately. You will not regret it. -- Best, Christopher Svanefalk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.07.2012 22:30, schrieb Aaron Konstam: > On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:15 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I'm searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar. I know that >> they can be found at Repoforge (http://repoforge.org/). However, they are >> for CentOS and RHEL.

Re: searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:15 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar. I know that > they can be found at Repoforge (http://repoforge.org/). However, they are > for CentOS and RHEL. > > Are there any repos where rpm packages of rar/u

gnote data imported to cherrytree

2012-07-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
Since at least F16 Fedora has included a progrwam for taking notes called cherrytree seemingly a substitute for gnote or Tomboy. Now when you choose the import option one of the sub-options is to import daqta from tomboy. Now tomboy does not exist since it was succeeded by gnote. My impression is

Re: [389-users] Replication field doubt

2012-07-05 Thread Alberto Viana
Rich, I found a problem, seems to be a bug: When I delete the user from my AD the plugin did not update the group (did not test deleting first in 389 DS). So the user does not exist, but in 389 DS group shows me the entry. When I create the user again, the 389 (replication plugin or whatever) de

Re: Support for HUAWEI E1820 HSDPA 3G / 4G USB Modem

2012-07-05 Thread JD
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Antonio M wrote: > >> >> >> 2012/7/5 Bill Davidsen mailto:david...@tmr.com>> >> >> JD wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I was planning to purchase one of these. >> Is it supported in Fedora? >> >> Got a spec telling what

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Mark C. Allman
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:43 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > Follow allmanpc on Twitter View Mark Allman, PMP, CSM's profile on > LinkedIn > > > > On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:30 -0400, Jim wrote: > > On 07/05/2012 02:13 PM, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 13:47 -0400, Jim wrot

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Mark C. Allman
Follow allmanpc on Twitter View Mark Allman, PMP, CSM's profile on LinkedIn On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:30 -0400, Jim wrote: > On 07/05/2012 02:13 PM, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 13:47 -0400, Jim wrote: > >> On 07/05/2012 01:23 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > >>> On 05.07.2

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Wulf
Another option for you, is to check out 'runtime.org'.  Disclaimer... I do own some of their products and have had great success with them. They have a "Disk Explorer for Linux v4.26".. don't know for certain if it will examine the drive you are having problems with, but it is worth a shot.  They

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Jim
On 07/05/2012 02:13 PM, Mark C. Allman wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 13:47 -0400, Jim wrote: On 07/05/2012 01:23 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: On 05.07.2012 19:15, Jim wrote: Fedora 17 the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN and it won't let me change the label

Re: searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread Jayson Rowe
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Max Pyziur wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar. I know that > they can be found at Repoforge (http://repoforge.org/). However, they are > for CentOS and RHEL. > > Are there any repos where rpm packages of rar/unrar

Re: searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread suvayu ali
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Max Pyziur wrote: > Are there any repos where rpm packages of rar/unrar that can be found and > useable on Fedora 17? Try rpmfusion nonfree. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Jim
On 07/05/2012 01:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.07.2012 19:15, schrieb Jim: Fedora 17 the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN and it won't let me change the label back to /home what does "mount /dev/sda /home" say in "dmesg"` I have tried to use fedora and

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Mark C. Allman
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 13:47 -0400, Jim wrote: > On 07/05/2012 01:23 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > > On 05.07.2012 19:15, Jim wrote: > >> Fedora 17 > >> > >> the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN > >> and it won't let me change the label back to /home > >> > >> I

searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar

2012-07-05 Thread Max Pyziur
Greetings, I'm searching for Fedora-compliant packages of rar and unrar. I know that they can be found at Repoforge (http://repoforge.org/). However, they are for CentOS and RHEL. Are there any repos where rpm packages of rar/unrar that can be found and useable on Fedora 17? Much thanks. M

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 05.07.2012, Jim wrote: > There are some important data files I must save off of sda2 Before you start any rescueing, take a full snapshot of the partition, e.g. "dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/on_an_external_disk" or something like that. Otherwise, your efforts to rescue the data can actually ruin

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Joe Wulf
One tool that I find helpful is 'cfg2html', which documents a whole bunch of stuff, including partition configuration and a few details that contribute to partition recovery.  Doesn't help after the fact, but take it as food for thought to assist with future problems. >__

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Jim
On 07/05/2012 01:23 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: On 05.07.2012 19:15, Jim wrote: Fedora 17 the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN and it won't let me change the label back to /home I have tried to use fedora and Gparted with no luck. There are some important

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.07.2012 19:15, schrieb Jim: > Fedora 17 > > the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN > and it won't let me change the label back to /home what does "mount /dev/sda /home" say in "dmesg"` > I have tried to use fedora and Gparted with no luck you should not

Yumex cannot Authicate

2012-07-05 Thread Jim
network interface p128p1 (r8169) is connected 13:20:28 : Connected to an network 13:20:28 : network interface p128p1 (r8169) is connected 13:20:28 : Starting yum child process 13:20:28 : YUM:  AUTHENTICATING FOR org.yum-extender.backend.pkexec.run === 13:20:28 : YUM: Authentication

Re: sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 05.07.2012 19:15, Jim wrote: > Fedora 17 > > the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN > and it won't let me change the label back to /home > > I have tried to use fedora and Gparted with no luck. > > There are some important data files I must save off of sda2 > >

sda2 is corrupted

2012-07-05 Thread Jim
Fedora 17 the sda2 /home is corruoted and it changed /home partitiion to UNKNOWN and it won't let me change the label back to /home I have tried to use fedora and Gparted with no luck. There are some important data files I must save off of sda2 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Tim wrote: > Anyway, getting back to the subject of Java, the often vaunted claim > that it's platform independent doesn't hold up. Frequently Java > programs will only work as expected on a certain interpreter, on a > certain underlying OS. I can run Vuze and muC

Re: F17 gnome-terminal crashes

2012-07-05 Thread Frode Petersen
Den 05. juli 2012 16:54, skrev Michael Schwendt: On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:35:55 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 04:03:08PM +0200, Frode Petersen wrote: I was about to report a bug towards terminal, as several other people have, but after trying to start terminal as a fresh test

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > But hey, paranoid speculation is fun. "Only the paranoid survive" - Andy Grove. ;) Also, given that MSFT made dead people write letters supporting the firm in its antitrust struggle with the DOJ... Microsoft's 'grassroots' campaign backfires:

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.07.2012 17:29, schrieb Christopher Svanefalk: > > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Fernando Cassia > wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > mailto:mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl>> wrote: > > I was referring to weight of JRE >

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think that OpenJDK uses more or less > exactly the same VM (HotSpot) as the proprietary distribution does. Yes, OpenJDK is the reference implementation of JDK7. My point was that if there was

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > wrote: > > I was referring to weight of JRE > > and browser plugins and it's imperfections. I don't care about language > > itself. If people like it's syntax it's theirs decision. Bu

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 07/04/2012 08:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > > > Java lovers answer me why am I having problems running Java applets > > like internet banking in my Firefox on Fedora if it's so superior > > and very well supported environment? > > Pr

Re: F17 gnome-terminal crashes

2012-07-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:35:55 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 04:03:08PM +0200, Frode Petersen wrote: > > I was about to report a bug towards terminal, as several other > > people have, but after trying to start terminal as a fresh test user > > without problems, I'm uncertain a

gnome-terminal size incorrect in fc17

2012-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
I modified the properties in the terminal launcher, such that it opens a 100x32 terminal.However, the actual size is somewhat less than that, such that I have to use: --geometry 101x32 to get the full 100 printing characters. This does not seem to be the case with GNOME2 systems, and it happe

Re: Support for HUAWEI E1820 HSDPA 3G / 4G USB Modem

2012-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Antonio M wrote: 2012/7/5 Bill Davidsen mailto:david...@tmr.com>> JD wrote: Hi All, I was planning to purchase one of these. Is it supported in Fedora? Got a spec telling what chipset it uses? I admit that some of the stuff I use does require a vendor driv

Re: F17 gnome-terminal crashes

2012-07-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 04:03:08PM +0200, Frode Petersen wrote: > I was about to report a bug towards terminal, as several other > people have, but after trying to start terminal as a fresh test user > without problems, I'm uncertain about this being a bug in terminal > or not. [..] > $ gnome-termi

F17 gnome-terminal crashes

2012-07-05 Thread Frode Petersen
I was about to report a bug towards terminal, as several other people have, but after trying to start terminal as a fresh test user without problems, I'm uncertain about this being a bug in terminal or not. Problem: gnome terminal crashes every time I try to start it, with abrt reporting it ki

Re: F16 - Password requirements

2012-07-05 Thread Jeffrey Ross
On 07/03/2012 01:36 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Rick Stevens > wrote: On 07/03/2012 08:56 AM, Jeffrey Ross issued this missive:: How do I relax the password requirements in Fedora? I though adjusting /etc/pam.d

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:28:47AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM Phoronix? Though, Phoronix doesn't even suggest what you read into it. > I'd rather see more Gnome projects using OpenJDK and > http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ rather

Re: OpenAFS and SELinux

2012-07-05 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/04/2012 02:56 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:36 PM, David Quigley > wrote: >> On 07/04/2012 11:28, suvayu ali wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Every time I start openafs with "systemctl start openafs.service", I >>> g

Re: Support for HUAWEI E1820 HSDPA 3G / 4G USB Modem

2012-07-05 Thread Antonio M
2012/7/5 Bill Davidsen > JD wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I was planning to purchase one of these. >> Is it supported in Fedora? >> >> Got a spec telling what chipset it uses? I admit that some of the stuff > I use does require a vendor driver, although the kernel stuff is getting > better. > > > -- >

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/05/2012 12:39 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > What I´m saying is that if someone is pushing for Gnome to become > infected with Mono, it´s a way better choice to make it depend on the > GPL´ed OpenJDK rather than .Net which is a Microsoft controlled > platform. Absolutely. Andrew. -- users ma

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/04/2012 08:29 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > Java lovers answer me why am I having problems running Java applets > like internet banking in my Firefox on Fedora if it's so superior > and very well supported environment? Probably because you haven't told us about them. Banking applets ar

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Ian Malone
On 5 July 2012 00:39, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > wrote: >> OK, to be more topic related: I don't condemn Java nor it's JREs etc. I >> only think it's not most optimal choice for GNOME as well as .NET or >> Mono. > > I´m not saying "hey, let´s r