Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread William Brown
On 1/06/12 13:04, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Edward M writes: > >> On 05/31/2012 07:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >>> positive and confident that this entire kit-and-kaboodle has no >>> choice but require a closed, hood-welded-shut OS, booted up with a >>> signed chain, in order for it to work. >

abrtd & remote retrace server

2012-05-31 Thread Maciek Borzecki
I've got a fresh, F17 install, running Gnome desktop. Unsurprisingly gnome-shell crashed at some point. What is surprising though, is that remote retrace server is no longer available for choosing in abrtd applet. Has anything changed recently, or am I just missing some package that is not in the d

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 31.05.2012, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > At this point I have to power down the > old Irish way by holding the power button. I don't know if the Fedora kernels are compiled with m-sysrq support, but you could try to set "kernel.sysctl = 1" in /etc/sysctl.conf, followed by a "sysctl -p". Next tim

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Tommy Pham
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Edward M writes: > >> On 05/31/2012 07:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >>> positive and confident that this entire kit-and-kaboodle has no choice >>> but require a closed, hood-welded-shut OS, booted up with a signed chain, in >>> order fo

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread JD
FWIW, perhaps - just perhaps - this is an attempt by MS and redhat (and perhaps others like Oracle), to try an convince government customers that a system with a signed bootloader and kernel and modules, provides for such greater security, that the gov should spend the money to revamp all their in

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread JD
On 05/31/2012 07:49 PM, Edward M wrote: On 05/31/2012 07:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: positive and confident that this entire kit-and-kaboodle has no choice but require a closed, hood-welded-shut OS, booted up with a signed chain, in order for it to work. Oracle Solaris?// Quick, do

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Edward M writes: On 05/31/2012 07:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: positive and confident that this entire kit-and-kaboodle has no choice but require a closed, hood-welded-shut OS, booted up with a signed chain, in order for it to work. Oracle Solaris? Yes, I think that would qualify.

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Edward M
On 05/31/2012 07:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: positive and confident that this entire kit-and-kaboodle has no choice but require a closed, hood-welded-shut OS, booted up with a signed chain, in order for it to work. Oracle Solaris?// -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/31/2012 04:56 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Darryl L. Pierce wrote: I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it switches to text

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Chris Adams writes: Once upon a time, jdow said: > What does this do to those who must recompile the kernel to include say > special unusual file systems? If this is disallowed it can render access to > historical data on obscure filesystems inaccessible. You can turn off Secure Boot. The Fed

nouveau gets monitor size wrong

2012-05-31 Thread Neal Becker
I have an hp dv9000 laptop. With proprietary nvidia driver, it works correctly. xdpyinfo says monitor is 371x232mm, which is correct. using nouveau, xdpyinfo says it's 447x277mm. Where do I report this bug? Here is what I tried to workaround: I made xorg.conf that contains only this: -

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, jdow said: > What does this do to those who must recompile the kernel to include say > special unusual file systems? If this is disallowed it can render access to > historical data on obscure filesystems inaccessible. You can turn off Secure Boot. The Fedora boot loader getting

Re: VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2012 08:19 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Ed Greshko > wrote: > > Yes. It seems to be a common problem for many distros. > > > Should I file a bug report?. > > Yes, you should. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yoursel

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2012 08:15 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Depends on whether I have time or will to do such research. I don't have fixed > rules. It varies with regards to every problem and circumstance. Well, since I can't divine which will be happening at any point in time, I'll default to assuming you

Re: Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
I did a fresh install and am now going through the painful restore backup process. My worst upgrade experience. William On May 31, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/31/2012 02:16 PM, William Henry wrote: >> I actually think that I am still running the F16 kernel post upgrade! > >

Re: VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > Yes. It seems to be a common problem for many distros. Should I file a bug report?. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/user

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread jdow
On 2012/05/31 16:13, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/31/2012 03:09 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: So, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just can't believe that it's as simply a matter of paying $99 once, no matter what your submitted bootloader does, or doesn't do. AIUI, that fee isn't to get your

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > Well, all I can say is that announcing on this list that you're not going > to do any > research on your own and are just going to rely on all the folks here to > find and fix > your problems very well may result in some folks ignoring your req

Re: VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2012 06:46 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > /// > No Textures Loaded from /usr/share/projectM/textures > Segmentation fault > /// > > Can someone else please confirm that this segfaults? Yes. It seems to be a common problem for many distros. The searching of google suggests the only solut

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2012 07:58 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Not if I can simply complain here. Lowers my blood pressure in the process, > and it > might educate someone else about the inner workings of yum. Plus, it forcers > everyone "who knows" to update their knowledge. Brain cell synapses and > alll

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.06.2012 01:58, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > sometimes it is a good idea to read manuals! > > Not if I can simply complain here. > Lowers my blood pressure in the process, and it might educa

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > sometimes it is a good idea to read manuals! Not if I can simply complain here. Lowers my blood pressure in the process, and it might educate someone else about the inner workings of yum. Plus, it forcers everyone "who knows" to update thei

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread JD
On 05/31/2012 04:06 PM, sergiocmailbox-fedoraus...@yahoo.com.br wrote: I think it's configurable somewhere and the default is every 90 min. I have my system installed from the minima

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Edward M
On 05/31/2012 01:15 PM, Javier Perez wrote: I hope Slashdot has it wrong, although the presented documents seem to agree Yup, they are wrong. They left forgot to mention the Brief disclaimer on top: - while I work for Red Hat, I'm only going to be talking about Fedora here.

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2012 07:13 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > However, I looked at /etc/yum.conf and found nothing that resembles that. Look closely at the comments. It is there -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Eve

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.06.2012 01:13, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > That sounds like the right way to do things. > However, I looked at /etc/yum.conf and found nothing that resembles that. > > [main] > cachedir=/var/cache/yum/$basearch/$releasever > keepcache=0 > debuglevel=2 > logfile=/var/log/yum.log > exactarch=1

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2012 03:09 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: So, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just can't believe that it's as simply a matter of paying $99 once, no matter what your submitted bootloader does, or doesn't do. AIUI, that fee isn't to get your arbitrary boot loader signed, it's to

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > Do you mean that if you issue "yum whatprovides vlc and then a few minutes > later > issue "yum whatprovides gimp" the download occurs again? > Not sure if 'a few minutes' but I do remember yum installing something else in the morning, and whe

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread sergiocmailbox-fedorausers
I think it's configurable somewhere and the default is every 90 min. I have my system installed from the minimal iso and I noticed yum doesn't seem to have this behaviour so maybe it's one of its plugins the culprit? --- Em qui, 31/5/12, Fernando Cassia escreveu: De: Fernando Cassia Assunto:

Re: yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2012 06:38 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Isn' t there a way to config yum to only download its repo indexes only once > a dar > and not every single bloody time I invoke yum for something else other than > install? (ie I call Yum whatprovides something and get Do you mean that if you issu

VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
I' m using VLC 2.01 as per the vlc-2.0.1-1.fc17.i686 RPM I quickly found that the default audio ' visualization ' plugins included with VLC 2.x suck so badly that it'd be better if they included no visualizations AT ALL. So off I went to google for better alternatives, and quickly found about Pro

yum downloading its indexes all the time is a major PITA

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
Isn' t there a way to config yum to only download its repo indexes only once a dar and not every single bloody time I invoke yum for something else other than install? (ie I call Yum whatprovides something and get $ yum whatprovides vlc Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit [Useles

Re: Make F17 automount disks?

2012-05-31 Thread sergiocmailbox-fedorausers
--- Em qui, 31/5/12, Beartooth escreveu: > De: Beartooth > Assunto: Make F17 automount disks? > Para: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Data: Quinta-feira, 31 de Maio de 2012, 17:32 > >     Where can I tell F17 under fxce if > possible) I want it to > automount any disk I put into a drive?? (I

Re: How do I get back eth0 instead of em16 ?

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Or for an even bigger hammer fix: "yum -C erase biosdevname" Thanks. That sounds good :) FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: How do I get back eth0 instead of em16 ?

2012-05-31 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:03:06 -0600 Phil Meyer wrote: > During an install, or during a liveCD boot, add biosdevname=0 to the > kernel command line. Or for an even bigger hammer fix: "yum -C erase biosdevname" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscripti

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Joe Zeff writes: On 05/31/2012 01:15 PM, Javier Perez wrote: If I have to pay $99 to Microsoft in order to install my Free/Open Operating System... Whatever gave you that idea? Whoever wants to get the bootloader signed (either Fedora or RedHat) pays a one-time fee of $99, not the end user

Re: How do I get back eth0 instead of em16 ?

2012-05-31 Thread Phil Meyer
On 05/31/2012 03:40 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: I just discovered this http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-279659.html So how do I get eth0 back without having to hit the problems those users encountered?. The ethernet ports on my mobo show up at em16 and em17 "Consistent" netw

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Butler
Thanks Sam - I will give that method a spin. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http:

How do I get back eth0 instead of em16 ?

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
I just discovered this http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-279659.html So how do I get eth0 back without having to hit the problems those users encountered?. The ethernet ports on my mobo show up at em16 and em17 "Consistent" network device names my *ss... https://fedoraproject.or

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Peter Butler writes: How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet access? The system will be freshly installed via DVD, and then requires all the associated updates. Is there any way to download the updates on another machine (that has Internet access), copy them o

Re: Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2012 02:16 PM, William Henry wrote: I actually think that I am still running the F16 kernel post upgrade! *Shrug!* My laptop's running F16 with a kernel from F14 because none of the 3.X kernels boot on it. It works fine, except for that. In any event, uname -r will tell you for su

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 21:50 +0100, Ron Yorston wrote: > >[greg@diamondage greg]$ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences > >workspace-names "['Local','E-mail','Web','Virtual','Systems',Misc']" > >44-45:unknown keyword > > There's a typo in the command: a missing single quote before Misc.

Re: GNOME3 and Modifying command-line arguments

2012-05-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:37:05PM +0700, Khemara Lyn wrote: > On 05/31/2012 07:57 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:24:42PM +0700, Khemara Lyn wrote: > >>Dear All, > >> > >>Normally, I could go "Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal" and > >>the app "gnome-terminal" wou

How do I inspect a dconf database file?

2012-05-31 Thread Göran Uddeborg
If I have understood things correctly, the file ~/.config/dconf/user contains all personal settings I have changed from the default. Does anyone know a way to list the content of this file in a human readable format? In the old GConf system, I figured out I could list all local settings in this w

Re: Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
I actually think that I am still running the F16 kernel post upgrade! I think I failed and need to just install from a LIVE CD unless someone has any suggestions. William On May 31, 2012, at 2:23 PM, William Henry wrote: > My grub is still messed up though. > > William > > > On May 31, 2

Support for Intel H77

2012-05-31 Thread Geoffrey Leach
I'm considering the purchase of a Puget Systems Echo I HDPC. It features an Intel DH77DF (Intel H77 MiniITX) MB. Not the point. Can anyone say (or point me to a source) if the H77 graphics are supported (have the appropriate driver) under Fedora 16. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fe

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Ron Yorston
Greg Woods wrote: >Poked around a little, "gsettings list-schema" shows that the schema >maybe should be "org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences", so I tried that: > >[greg@diamondage greg]$ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences >workspace-names "['Local','E-mail','Web','Virtual','Systems',Misc'

Eclipse WTP and Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, Fedora has for a long time included Eclipse, Tomcat and (bits of) Geronimo and Glassfish. And now F17 provides JBoss AS. But why Fedora Eclipse doesn't includes WST? Is there anything that prevents Fedora to provide the Eclipse IDE for Java EE developers as part of the distro? Am I suppo

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Deepak, First, thaks a lot for you patience explaining things you and other OpenJDK developers should already have discussed to exaustion. OpenJDK6 will no longer get security updates after November 2012: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2012-February/002514.html A large par

Make F17 automount disks?

2012-05-31 Thread Beartooth
Where can I tell F17 under fxce if possible) I want it to automount any disk I put into a drive?? (In addition to its own internal drive for removable media, each machine can also be connected to an external USB drive.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power Us

Re: Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
My grub is still messed up though. William On May 31, 2012, at 1:34 PM, William Henry wrote: > Well no feedback from the community :-( > > So I ran preupgrade from F16 again on the hunch it would fix up the Rpmdb and > should then do a pretty fast install as all the packages are already >

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2012 01:15 PM, Javier Perez wrote: If I have to pay $99 to Microsoft in order to install my Free/Open Operating System... Whatever gave you that idea? Whoever wants to get the bootloader signed (either Fedora or RedHat) pays a one-time fee of $99, not the end users. -- users mailing

Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-05-31 Thread Javier Perez
I hope Slashdot has it wrong, although the presented documents seem to agree http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/05/31/190217/red-hat-will-pay-microsoft-to-get-past-uefi-restrictions Looking up the article: "Implementing UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora" at http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html "The l

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 12:14 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > gsettings set org.gnome.wm.preferences workspace-names "[' Poked around a little, "gsettings list-schema" shows that the schema maybe should be "org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences", so I tried that: [greg@diamondage greg]$ gsettings set or

Re: VirtualBox cannot start on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Rohan Sheth wrote: >> 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0' (VERR_INTNET_FLT_IF_NOT_FOUND). > > As a first guess, can you try going to the VM settings -> Network and > if one of your adapters are in bridged mode try selecting the > "correct" adapter to link it to.  Since

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Fernando Lozano [2012-05-31 15:12]: > Hi Deepak, > > >java-1.6.0-openjdk and java-1.7.0-openjdk can co-exist side by side > >happily -- you can even use alternatives to switch the default if you > >really want to. > > > >We just cannot ship 6 in F17 because it will EOL well before F17 does > >a

Re: Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
Well no feedback from the community :-( So I ran preupgrade from F16 again on the hunch it would fix up the Rpmdb and should then do a pretty fast install as all the packages are already installed. That worked. So no need for anyone to answer. I have a Beefy Miracle, aptly named for me. Some

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 12:14 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > gsettings set org.gnome.wm.preferences workspace-names "['name1', > 'name2']" I tried this, and I get: No such schema 'org.gnome.wm.preferences' I suspect that's related to why the xml file doesn't work. --Greg -- users mailing list

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Deepak, java-1.6.0-openjdk and java-1.7.0-openjdk can co-exist side by side happily -- you can even use alternatives to switch the default if you really want to. We just cannot ship 6 in F17 because it will EOL well before F17 does and we cannot ship a known insecure version. Thanks for th

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread J.Witvliet
Hi, You might consider using rsnapshot from a different machine to collect your backup's. And once in a while, make a copy of _that_ data on an external disk, and put that in a different building (parents, children, friends, shurestore). So if dissaster strikes hard, you still have your data.

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2012 10:13 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: This might work with smaller retail suppliers and local shops but if the board was advertised as supporting secure boot then you may find that argument leaves you without much of a case particularly if a means to disable it was provided and documented

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Ed, I think I understand the issue and have a solution. Comments are always welcome. :) On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 05/31/2012 08:29 PM, suvayu ali wrote: >> I guess that means I have to figure out how this dynamic loading works >> and I have to change my "complete

Re: VirtualBox cannot start on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Rohan Sheth
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Paul Smith wrote: > 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0' (VERR_INTNET_FLT_IF_NOT_FOUND). As a first guess, can you try going to the VM settings -> Network and if one of your adapters are in bridged mode try selecting the "correct" adapter to link it to. Since the netwo

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 06:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/31/2012 03:31 AM, Alan Cox wrote: >> That will generally speaking exceed their profit margin on the >> board by quite a bit so will make them very keen to document it >> clearly for future users. > > Dem

Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
To understand what happened see my email regarding the JBoss failure. It all started there. Basically because of that failure I tried to force the JBoss-as package install under f16 kernel boot 3/4 ways through the f17 install. After successfully installing all the rest of the packages using f

Re: F17 install failure on JBoss-as-7.1.1-2.fc17.noarch

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
I rebooted in f16 and forced the installation of the package I downloaded from kuji. I had to rm -rf some JBoss directories in the /usr dir in order for the package to install. I rebooted choosing beefy miracle from grub, and it installed all the other packages! Hurray! Not so fast. After do

BackupPC problems since upgrade to F17

2012-05-31 Thread George Avrunin
I used preupgrade to move from F16 to F17. The installation hung up (installing Steel Bank Common Lisp; this seems to be a problem other people have had, e.g., http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=280318) but when I restarted, it completed and seems to have been successful. I did have t

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2012 03:31 AM, Alan Cox wrote: That will generally speaking exceed their profit margin on the board by quite a bit so will make them very keen to document it clearly for future users. Demanding your money back because the board doesn't work as advertised cuts even more deeply into the

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Andrew, I tried installing OpenJDK6 packages from F16 but yum complains they are obsoleted by OpenJDK7. I also tried downloading IcedTea6 sources and compiling, but they stop with an "internal compiler error". That should work. I'd like to know more. It indicates a pretty major gcc bug. And

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 05:09 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: I tend to encourage people to pick ext4 over ext3 on modern hardware and software. Aside from some clear performance wins for not-that-uncommon workloads (deleting lots of large files, storing large images etc) there's the fact that most of the atten

Re: Solution to RAID /boot issue in fc17?

2012-05-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 14:43:29 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Count yourself lucky - if it can only find part of an old RAID volume eg a stale header the FC16 installer just crashed. FC17 has introduced a new bug where you can't install onto a degraded RAID1 array, which prevents all sorts of usefu

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora [Long]

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 02:38 PM, Alan Cox wrote: It's of course all a bit of a joke because it's then a simple matter of using virtualisation to fake the "secure" environment and running the "secure" OS in that 8) The distributions can review the hypervisor code (then sign it as a symbol of trust) and

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:29:05AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > Under F16, I was able to create a file > > ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/workspace_names/%gconf.xml > > that would allow me to name my workspaces, so they don't show up as > "Workspace 1", "Workspace 2", etc. After a fresh install of F17, th

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Jens Neu
IMHO, Looking at the description of mrepo, it's overkill for his particular situation. leaving aside the reading necessary to come up do speed with mrepo, createrepo and such (wich I would recommend anyway if someone deals with the situation of maintaining a setup alike...), the setup takes

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Butler
Thanks Richard. I will look into that option and let you know how it works out (and obviously, get back to you if I hit a hurdle along the way). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: >> Where do you place your backups, Jeff? :-) > > Well, I just started using SpiderOak. Jury's still out. Their > deduplication and compression ratio seems pretty good (185GiB on my disk > becomes 145GiB in their system), and they support file ve

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Tim Evans
On 05/31/2012 10:56 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Darryl L. Pierce wrote: I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it switches to text

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Peter Butler wrote: > Jens, RIchard > > Thanks for the info - much appreciated. > > Is there any way to download all the required updates (on a machine that > has Internet access, obviously) and save these downloads for the creation > of the local repository you s

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Butler
Jens, RIchard Thanks for the info - much appreciated. Is there any way to download all the required updates (on a machine that has Internet access, obviously) and save these downloads for the creation of the local repository you speak of? Let me clarify. The target system (with no Internet a

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Gipson
> Where do you place your backups, Jeff? :-) > > Paul > -- Well, I just started using SpiderOak. Jury's still out. Their deduplication and compression ratio seems pretty good (185GiB on my disk becomes 145GiB in their system), and they support file versioning, but don't seem to have a point-in-t

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jens Neu wrote: > On 31.05.2012 17:24, Peter Butler wrote: >> >> How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet >> access? > > > what i would do: > - install mrepo IMHO, Looking at the description of mrepo, it's overkill for his particu

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Peter Butler wrote: > How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet > access? > > The system will be freshly installed via DVD, and then requires all the > associated updates.  Is there any way to download the updates on another > machi

Re: GNOME3 and Modifying command-line arguments

2012-05-31 Thread Khemara Lyn
Thanks a lot for your solution, I actually would like to create a new icon on the GNOME3 desktop or the "Favorites" bar so that a click on the icon will run a command (for example, "sudo gns3"). How could I do that wit GNOME3? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, Khem On 05/31/2012 07

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Jens Neu
On 31.05.2012 17:24, Peter Butler wrote: How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet access? what i would do: - install mrepo - grab .iso of Fedora - create local .repo for FC16 - create local updates.repo and point to directory on harddisk - download updates with

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-05-31 Thread Khemara Lyn
Thanks, It is far better than i thought. i would love to try the ssh tunnel and access by VNC to the display 0 also. Please forgive me for the poor suggestion. I thought i could help; in fact, i learn new thing from that :). Regards, Khem On 05/31/2012 04:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.0

How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Butler
How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet access? The system will be freshly installed via DVD, and then requires all the associated updates. Is there any way to download the updates on another machine (that has Internet access), copy them over to the target sys

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 04:01 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: > >> I have already an external disk formatted with ext3, but for >> safety reasons I am now wanting to have two external disks with >> the same backups. When I formatted the first external disk, I did >> not

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 03:58 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: > That's a good point. I guess now would be a good time to mention > that a volume snapshot != backup (see below), however, I've heard > of snapshots sometimes being used to create a "still" or > "point-in-tim

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: > >> I have already an external disk formatted with ext3, but for safety >> reasons I am now wanting to have two external disks with the same >> backups. When I formatted the first external disk, I did not know >> about ext4 (only knew about ext3

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: > As far as using an external drive is concerned, for my backups, I opted > not to do this, because when my house burns or gets blown away by a > tornado, or is robbed (in which case the burgler is likely to take > everything attached to the comp

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Gipson
> I have already an external disk formatted with ext3, but for safety > reasons I am now wanting to have two external disks with the same > backups. When I formatted the first external disk, I did not know > about ext4 (only knew about ext3). So, from what you are suggestion, > ext4 is superior t

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Gipson
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 03:01:09PM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/31/2012 02:35 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:15:58PM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > >> Dear All, > >> > >> I have got a new external hard disk, which I wo

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. > > On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down > now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it > switches to text I see an error (don't remember the exact te

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Andrew Haley
Hi, On 05/31/2012 02:24 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: >>> I find this design decision very odd, exactly for the reasons you >>> mentioned. Java 7 is, to my knowledge, far from universally supported. I >>> would have waited for at least another release or two before phasing out >>> Java 6. >> We did

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >>> I have got a new external hard disk, which I would like to use as >>> a mirror of my home directory (for backup purpose). What format >>> for the external disk filesystem do you recommend? And what the >>> proper command to accomplish the

Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it switches to text I see an error (don't remember the exact text offhand) about shutdown having

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Alan Cox
> The kernel is locked down and will implement signed checks of modules. > For the purpose of this example, I just neglected to show this as I was > explaining why the MS signed first stage loader was needed. It's more complex than that - way more complicated, even leaving aside any legality quest

VirtualBox cannot start on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I have just installed F17 (clean installation), and when I start my virtual machine through VirtualBox, I get the following error: Failed to open a session for the virtual machine WindowsXP. Failed to open/create the internal network 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0' (VERR_INTNET_FLT_IF_NO

F17 install failure on JBoss-as-7.1.1-2.fc17.noarch

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
Both upgrade F16, preupgrade to 17 went fine. Install failed on JBoss-as package. Have to exit the installer. :-( retried a few times and several more packages were installed but then it hits JBoss-as. Wish I could just skip. I wonder will I have the option to go back to 16 and remove offend

Re: How to install F-17 -

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 31/05/12 06:06, Edward M wrote: On 05/31/2012 02:41 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Yes, I always do that. I've made two copies, neither will boot. What else can I do, seems I should be able to install directly from the internet perhaps? not tested myself bu

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