Fedora 16 continously rebooting

2012-05-18 Thread Armelius Cameron
Hello, My F16 system seems to have gotten to a very strange state. It's a Dell laptop. It started when I have the laptop unplugged, and I closed the lid. Usually this makes it goes to sleep (i.e. suspend to RAM). This time, it didn't seem so; the fan started to run in high speed, and after a whi

Re: audio notification from system

2012-05-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/19/2012 09:37 AM, JD wrote: > I looked at Settings->Appearance->Settings->Event Sounds > It is not checked. > I continue to get this rattle sound being played many times > while system is up and running. > I checked thunderbird, and it has all it's even notifiers unchecked. > Is there anythin

Re: audio notification from system

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/12/2012 12:28 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/12/2012 02:29 PM, JD wrote: FC16. What is the daemon that plays a sound, seemingly at random, and it sounds like a rattle ? I have heard this while running previous versions of fedora. I'm fairly sure it is DE dependent. One can make KDE quite

Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice

2012-05-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On 18/05/12 20:32, Timothy Murphy wrote: Alan Cox wrote: OpenOffice then got given to Apache in what a lot of people consider a face saving exercise. I guess what puzzles me is why Apache took it. Does it have a different model in mind? Maybe Microsoft told them to? -- Regards, Frank "Jack

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread James Wilkinson
Timothy Murphy wrote: > You are assuming that because your colleague's HP cost €800 > it is of "higher quality" than my daughter's under €300 Asus netbook, > where by "higher quality" you apparently mean "will last longer". > > From my - very long but not broad - experience > there is little or no

Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice

2012-05-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alan Cox wrote: > Openoffice was run under a very restrictive policy and many of the > developers forked it. Most folk switched to Libreoffice which has been > rapidly evolving since the split. OpenOffice then got given to Apache in > what a lot of people consider a face saving exercise. I guess

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Pedro Francisco
Out of curiosity, I thought a few years ago that the future would be hibernate implemented by kexec... And then no one else mentioned it anymore. Does anyone know what happened? Lack of interest or techical issues? Maybe this would be a good time to revive the interest on it, if possible? -- Pe

Re: [389-users] unhashed#user#password field

2012-05-18 Thread Rich Megginson
On 05/18/2012 12:13 PM, Alberto Viana wrote: I have a 389 DS server replication agreement whith an AD Server and when I change the password in the windows side it replicates into 389 but via 389 console I can see this field "unhashed#user#password" in clear text. How can I encrypt this field?

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/18/2012 10:56 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/18/2012 10:35 AM, JD wrote: On 05/18/2012 10:22 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/18/2012 12:22 AM, JD wrote: I think that's more tolerable than having to wait anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds to resolve every new name browsed to; (new relative to contents o

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/18/2012 10:35 AM, JD wrote: On 05/18/2012 10:22 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/18/2012 12:22 AM, JD wrote: I think that's more tolerable than having to wait anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds to resolve every new name browsed to; (new relative to contents of the cache). If the name isn't in your

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/18/2012 10:22 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/18/2012 12:22 AM, JD wrote: I think that's more tolerable than having to wait anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds to resolve every new name browsed to; (new relative to contents of the cache). If the name isn't in your cache, you're going to have to loo

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/18/2012 12:22 AM, JD wrote: I think that's more tolerable than having to wait anywhere from 10 to 30 seconds to resolve every new name browsed to; (new relative to contents of the cache). If the name isn't in your cache, you're going to have to look it up and using a longer TTL isn't goi

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 22:19:26 -0700, JD wrote: I have switched to dnsmasq and so far, it is not too bad. Albeit, it's cache purge algorithm seems to have a very short ttl for any translation - like about 3 to 5 minutes!!! I looked for a configuration in dnsmasq.conf that would force dnsma

Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice

2012-05-18 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:30:59 +0200 Timothy Murphy wrote: > What is the exact relation between these two? Openoffice was run under a very restrictive policy and many of the developers forked it. Most folk switched to Libreoffice which has been rapidly evolving since the split. OpenOffice then got

Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice

2012-05-18 Thread Lawrence Graves
On 05/18/2012 10:30 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: What is the exact relation between these two? Are they likely to merge? How do they differ? They are both free.:-) :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.or

OpenOffice vs LibreOffice

2012-05-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
What is the exact relation between these two? Are they likely to merge? How do they differ? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To un

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: > but for only write some mails and web-brwosing i can not see why 10 > seconds > more or less are making the difference and as cheaper/slower your > hardware is as longer wake up from suspend takes I'm not sure exactly what you are saying. I don't care if my laptop takes 10

Re: How to setup PPTP manually?

2012-05-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 18 May 2012 15:29:06 +0200 Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: > Can someone help me with manual PPTP configuration? Start with: yum install pptp pptp-setup That gets you the pptpsetup command (and a man page) which allows you to configure the pptp connection info. But actually connecting is a bi

Re: KVM - how to re-install images

2012-05-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:23:56 +0100 John Horne wrote: > Anyway, thanks. I'll make sure I have /etc/libvirt/qemu backed up, and > will use the 'virsh define' command to restore the definitions of the Right. I always have problems with the obscure keywords, "define" is the right one, I wasn't thinki

Saving screenshots to vectorized PDF's using Gtk3, Cairo & Webkit stopped working on F17 beta

2012-05-18 Thread Øyvind Skaar
Hi all, I'm trying to grab some vectorized screenshots of web-pages using Gtk3, Webkit & Cairo, but I cant get it to behave on Fedora 17 beta. Got it working on two F16 machines, but it fails on both the F17 machines I've tried. I get my PDF files, but their just PNG images wrapped in PD

How to setup PPTP manually?

2012-05-18 Thread Zoltan Boszormenyi
Hi, I need to configure a VPN connection to a PPTP server without NetworkManager. The reason: I had to configure my network in a way so there's a bridge interface so a KVM/QEMU guest can get its IP address via DHCP from my router and this way VNC can be NAT-ed from the router to go directly to t

Re: KVM - how to re-install images

2012-05-18 Thread John Horne
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 08:28 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:10:43 +0100 > John Horne wrote: > > > As said, the images already exist and will be available to the F17 PC, > > so things like using virsh 'dumpxml' then 'create' don't seem to work > > since they are trying to create

Re: KVM - how to re-install images

2012-05-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:10:43 +0100 John Horne wrote: > As said, the images already exist and will be available to the F17 PC, > so things like using virsh 'dumpxml' then 'create' don't seem to work > since they are trying to create an image that already exists. Actually dumpxml and create are exa

Re: KVM - how to re-install images

2012-05-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On 18/05/12 13:10, John Horne wrote: As said, the images already exist and will be available to the F17 PC, so things like using virsh 'dumpxml' then 'create' don't seem to work since they are trying to create an image that already exists. Thanks, John. Copy over the "/etc/libvirt/qemu/*

KVM - how to re-install images

2012-05-18 Thread John Horne
Hello, Next week (hopefully) F17 comes out, and I will be rebuilding my PC from F15 to a fresh F17 install. This will be a completely new installation, with the disks being reformatted. I currently have some virtual machines on the F15 PC created with KVM, and stored on an external disk. Only the

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.05.2012 13:25, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > You mention having machines with 16GB RAM. > How exactly is this used? > I just checked my 2 servers; > the one here (I'm in Italy) has 5GB RAM, 4GB of which is free > ("Mem: 4829188k total, 847540k used, 3981648k free"). > The server in Ireland

Re: pidgin packages outdated

2012-05-18 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 17 May 2012 23:19:10 -0700 Konstantin Svist wrote: > Hi all, > > Looks like Pidgin/libpurple package is behind the upstream lately, who > should I ping about building a fresh one? Just file a request (RFE?) in Bugzilla: bugzilla.redhat.com. Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fe

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: > but that was never a reason to buy low quality You are assuming that because your colleague's HP cost €800 it is of "higher quality" than my daughter's under €300 Asus netbook, where by "higher quality" you apparently mean "will last longer". From my - very long but not br

Re: F16 Mount Issue

2012-05-18 Thread Jonathan Allen
Rick, > Are you sure that the local /home disk partition is mounted BEFORE the > NFS mount occurs? It could be that the NFS mount occurs at /home first, > then the local /home mount occurs, overlays the NFS mount and hides it. > Ditto with the /share mountpoint. > > Before you do the "mount -a",

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.05.2012 11:57, schrieb Alan Cox: > I would question your maths on disk costs and electricity pricing too. To > an extent its an open question given there's a human work cost involved > but even a reasonably efficient modern machine running 24 x 7 is using a > fair amount of kWh with associa

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/18/2012 05:52 PM, JD wrote: > > 0.00user 0.00system 0:00.08elapsed 12%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 2628maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (0major+743minor)pagefaults 0swaps Yep That is much better BTW, dig is in bind and can be download from http://www.isc.org/software/bind/990/download/b

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Alan Cox
> 10 years ago i lived more than 3 years without a job > and in this time you have not much money And if you were doing that in most of Western Europe/Canada/etc you would have been receivign vastly more than someone in many other countries working 50hours a week. I would question your maths on d

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/18/2012 02:44 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/18/2012 05:40 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: I can't see how your router or ISP could add to the "real" time. I suppose you don't have another system to check it Could you try the non-builtin time command? /usr/bin/time dig @8.8.8.8 www.ny.com App

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/18/2012 02:40 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/18/2012 05:21 PM, JD wrote: That value is good for comparison only as it is not the real time. Take a look at this: time dig @8.8.8.8 www.ny.com ;<<>> DiG 9.8.2-RedHat-9.8.2-1.fc16<<>> @8.8.8.8 www.ny.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/18/2012 05:40 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > I can't see how your router or ISP could add to the "real" time. I suppose > you don't > have another system to check it Could you try the non-builtin time command? /usr/bin/time dig @8.8.8.8 www.ny.com -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, a

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.05.2012 10:18, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 18.05.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> buying a cheaper machine than 800 € results usually >> in buy much more machines in a relative short term > > Maybe for you, but not for folks who hardly can afford a low end > machine. Not having a computer i

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.05.2012 10:36, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > You've repeated this several times, > so I thought I'd test it on my laptop, > a Thinkpad T60 running Fedora-16/KDE. > > I did each test twice. > Hibernate (ie suspend to disk) and shutdown > both took the same time, 18-20 seconds. > Waking from hi

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/18/2012 05:21 PM, JD wrote: > That value is good for comparison only as it is not > the real time. Take a look at this: > > time dig @8.8.8.8 www.ny.com > > ; <<>> DiG 9.8.2-RedHat-9.8.2-1.fc16 <<>> @8.8.8.8 www.ny.com > ; (1 server found) > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HE

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/18/2012 01:21 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/18/2012 03:47 PM, JD wrote: I am indeed pointing my resolv.conf to the 2 google nameservers. You're probably right about our home network. I think the router has a very low bandwidth (hardware wise), probably because it doubles up as the decoder fo

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: > waking up from suspend to disk takes much longer as a cold start You've repeated this several times, so I thought I'd test it on my laptop, a Thinkpad T60 running Fedora-16/KDE. I did each test twice. Hibernate (ie suspend to disk) and shutdown both took the same time, 1

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/18/2012 03:47 PM, JD wrote: > I am indeed pointing my resolv.conf to the 2 google > nameservers. > You're probably right about our home network. > I think the router has a very low bandwidth (hardware wise), > probably because it doubles up as the decoder for the TV > contents being viewed on

Re: The death of Hibernate?

2012-05-18 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 18.05.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: > buying a cheaper machine than 800 € results usually > in buy much more machines in a relative short term Maybe for you, but not for folks who hardly can afford a low end machine. Not having a computer is no longer an alternative these days either. > cheaper

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/18/2012 12:37 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/18/2012 03:22 PM, JD wrote: So, what's to prevent someone from simply modifying dnsmasq (or any other open source caching name resolver) to change the expiration time to a value greater than what the owner of the domain wants? Sure it may result in

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/18/2012 03:22 PM, JD wrote: > So, what's to prevent someone from simply modifying dnsmasq > (or any other open source caching name resolver) to change > the expiration time to a value greater than what the owner > of the domain wants? Sure it may result in using stale > ip addresses once in a

Re: nscd and DNS cache

2012-05-18 Thread JD
On 05/17/2012 10:49 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 05/18/2012 01:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: There should not be a configuration for that. If there is, then dnsmasq would be going against the recommendations of the DNS RFCs. The response to a DNS request includes a TTL (Time To Live). According to the R