Re: Googlecl

2012-02-11 Thread Pete Travis
On Feb 11, 2012 7:19 AM, "Timothy Murphy" wrote: > > Pete Travis wrote: > > >> > Why do you need to run this as root? > >> > >> I ran it with and without sudo, > >> just to see if there was any difference. > >> There wasn't. > > > It it in your best interests to get out of that habit. You are goi

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/11/2012 07:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: this is only a minus for GRUB2 And it's only a one-time problem. Once you've done it you'll never have to do it again. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: F16: gnome-shell question

2012-02-11 Thread Pete Travis
On Feb 11, 2012 9:49 AM, "Joachim Backes" wrote: > > Hi, > > if pressing activities->applications, seeing a lot of applications I had > already uninstalled, but still appearing in the "all" submenu. Question: > Is there a gnome-shell tool which can be used to cleanup those > applications from the

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.02.2012 04:20, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: >> this is a practical question because i have 20 virtual servers >> installed/cloned 2008 with the old layout, no RAID because this >> is provided by the SAN-STorage behind > > Well, if I were you, I'd start figuring out what to do about it, now. >

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Reindl Harald writes: > Not exactly. This generally happens only with mdraid volumes. Without mdraid, grub2 should > fit within 63 sectors, and one of my laptops was succesfully upgraded to F16+grub2, and > everything got squeezed into the 63 sectors. the main question here is: was this luc

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/11/2012 01:04 PM, JD wrote: You lost me there! What's a DE? :) Desktop Environment. Try installing either KDE or XFCE and see if either of them works. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.02.2012 02:18, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: > Greg Woods writes: > >> As has been mentioned in other threads, grub2 requires 2048 sectors at >> the start of the disk. If you were upgrading from a previous version, >> chances are your disk is not partitioned this way, but instead has only >> 63

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Greg Woods writes: As has been mentioned in other threads, grub2 requires 2048 sectors at the start of the disk. If you were upgrading from a previous version, chances are your disk is not partitioned this way, but instead has only 63 sectors at the start of the disk. In this event, if you attem

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Greg Woods
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 12:38 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/11/2012 12:18 PM, JD wrote: > > > > > > Is it even possible to boot F16 using Grub 1? > > AIUI, if you upgrade to F16 you will end up with both versions of grub > installed but will still be using legacy grub. You have to run > grub2-in

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Steven I Usdansky
My desktop PC is organized something like this: sda1: Windows sda2: Boot sda3: data sda4: extended partition container sda5: F15 sda6: F16 sda7: Rawhide sda8: more data  Until I was confident grub2 would work for me, sda2 held a copy of legacy grub, which I configured to chainload the various Fedo

Re: X won't start in fedora 16

2012-02-11 Thread Peter Lesterhuis
When I boot all seems to go well at first. But after the log-in screen a message pops up: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" etc. I am advised to log out and back in again, but the problem occurs every time. The weird thing is that when I hit the windows-key the ususal X-screensaver appears. But wh

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:48 PM, JD wrote: > I can tell you my "Oh crap " after installing F16! > The latest version of Gnome does not give the gnome login prompt. Only a > black screen. > My GPU is the legacy ATI  Radeon Mobility 9600/M10. > So, I have no idea if the problem is with Gnome 3,

Re: "Starts and stops login and scanning of iSCSI devices" fails and blocks boot for about 1 minute

2012-02-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:18:09 +0100 Clemens Eisserer wrote: > Any idea what could be the problem? > Having to wait 2-5min for the machine to boot is more annoying than > one would expect ;) I see iscsi is still using a sysV init script. I just ran into this with an old init script: https://bugzil

Re: "Starts and stops login and scanning of iSCSI devices" fails and blocks boot for about 1 minute

2012-02-11 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hmm, the more I think about it, the more I think its actually a systemd bug. Updating to updates-testing didn't help unfourtunatly. In /var/boot/boot.log the following problem is reported, which seems to actually delay the boot: Failed to start LSB: Starts and stops login and scanning of iSCSI de

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.02.2012 22:04, schrieb JD: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> On 02/11/2012 12:48 PM, JD wrote: >>> >>> So, I have no idea if the problem is with Gnome 3, or with the latest X >>> driver for my chipset. >> >> >> Use a cli to install a different DE and see if that runs

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread JD
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 02/11/2012 12:48 PM, JD wrote: >> >> So, I have no idea if the problem is with Gnome 3, or with the latest X >> driver for my chipset. > > > Use a cli to install a different DE and see if that runs.  Either way, you'll > probably know where

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/11/2012 12:48 PM, JD wrote: So, I have no idea if the problem is with Gnome 3, or with the latest X driver for my chipset. Use a cli to install a different DE and see if that runs. Either way, you'll probably know where the trouble is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/11/2012 12:39 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I feel more like killing something than writing down what, if anything, I learned. The result is that the next install doesn't go any better than the previous. Take notes as you go along. By hand, if you don't have a better way. Until you can re

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread JD
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Michael Hennebry < henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 02/11/2012 12:01 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> >>> >>> I've never had an install go right the first time. >>> >> >> Have you ever tried to find out why? Part

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread JD
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/11/2012 12:18 PM, JD wrote: > >> >> >> Is it even possible to boot F16 using Grub 1? >> > > AIUI, if you upgrade to F16 you will end up with both versions of grub > installed but will still be using legacy grub. You have to run > grub2-ins

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, JD wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Michael Hennebry < henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote: I've never had an install go right the first time. Adding to the fear and trepidation, is the change from grub to grub2. I'd like to be sure that after the disaster I can b

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/11/2012 12:01 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I've never had an install go right the first time. Have you ever tried to find out why? Part of the testing every new I know part of the reason. Long before the struggle is over, I feel more like killing

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/11/2012 12:18 PM, JD wrote: Is it even possible to boot F16 using Grub 1? AIUI, if you upgrade to F16 you will end up with both versions of grub installed but will still be using legacy grub. You have to run grub2-install yourself. I've no idea why, or why the upgrade process doesn

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread JD
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Michael Hennebry < henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote: > As F14 is EOL, I'm planning to install F16 real soon now. > The plan is to install F16 on a completely different set of partitions. > I've never had an install go right the first time. > Adding to the fear

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/11/2012 12:01 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I've never had an install go right the first time. Have you ever tried to find out why? Part of the testing every new version of Fedora is supposed to go through is making sure that it will install correctly on as many different configurations

Re: grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote: As F14 is EOL, I'm planning to install F16 real soon now. The plan is to install F16 on a completely different set of partitions. I've never had an install go right the first time. Adding to the fear and trepidation, is the change from grub to grub2.

grub vs. grub2

2012-02-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
As F14 is EOL, I'm planning to install F16 real soon now. The plan is to install F16 on a completely different set of partitions. I've never had an install go right the first time. Adding to the fear and trepidation, is the change from grub to grub2. I'd like to be sure that after the disaster I c

WiFi issues better

2012-02-11 Thread Steven Stern
I'm happy to report that the WiFi issues reported here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785951 seem to have been resolved with kernel 3.2.5-3 -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ma

Re: X won't start in fedora 16

2012-02-11 Thread James Wilkinson
Peter Lesterhuis wrote: > Hi, > When I boot all seems to go well at first. But after the log-in > screen a message pops up: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" etc. I > am advised to log out and back in again, but the problem occurs > every time. The weird thing is that when I hit the windows-key the

F16: gnome-shell question

2012-02-11 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi, if pressing activities->applications, seeing a lot of applications I had already uninstalled, but still appearing in the "all" submenu. Question: Is there a gnome-shell tool which can be used to cleanup those applications from the gnome-shell menus? Kind regards -- Joachim Backes http://w

Re: X won't start in fedora 16

2012-02-11 Thread Jatin K
On Saturday 11 February 2012 09:51 PM, Peter Lesterhuis wrote: Hi, When I boot all seems to go well at first. But after the log-in screen a message pops up: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" etc. I am advised to log out and back in again, but the problem occurs every time. The weird thing is t

X won't start in fedora 16

2012-02-11 Thread Peter Lesterhuis
Hi, When I boot all seems to go well at first. But after the log-in screen a message pops up: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" etc. I am advised to log out and back in again, but the problem occurs every time. The weird thing is that when I hit the windows-key the ususal X-screensaver appears

Re: "Starts and stops login and scanning of iSCSI devices" fails and blocks boot for about 1 minute

2012-02-11 Thread John Pilkington
On 11/02/12 13:28, Clemens Eisserer wrote: Hi, Since last update, booting my ssd powered notebook takes quite a lot of time (2-3min instead of 30s). In /var/log/boot.log I found the following message: Failed to start LSB: Starts and stops login and scanning of iSCSI devices. Is this a known pr

Re: Googlecl

2012-02-11 Thread Timothy Murphy
Pete Travis wrote: >> > Why do you need to run this as root? >> >> I ran it with and without sudo, >> just to see if there was any difference. >> There wasn't. > It it in your best interests to get out of that habit. You are going to > start seeing strange problems you don't understand, and thin

"Starts and stops login and scanning of iSCSI devices" fails and blocks boot for about 1 minute

2012-02-11 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi, Since last update, booting my ssd powered notebook takes quite a lot of time (2-3min instead of 30s). In /var/log/boot.log I found the following message: Failed to start LSB: Starts and stops login and scanning of iSCSI devices. Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do to get a mo

Re: preupgrade grub2 failed: now can't boot

2012-02-11 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 12:25 -0700, don fisher wrote: > 3. Why do they force a boot partition? As far as I know using /boot > has worked since Fedora2. Because the boot process can only start from certain filing systems, it's more restricted than other things. But the system, once booted, can make