Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 01:01, Craig White wrote: > yet another oppressively > cynical posting from Fernando Can you please provide a list of "oppresively cynical postings" from me to this list?. Offlist please. I want to be surprised. FC -- "The purpose of computing is insight, not numbers." R

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/23/2011 04:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 07:29 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Must have been the same guys who built Fukushima on a seismic area prone to tsunamis. I'd like to point out three things. First, all of Japan is tectonically active. Second, not one person outside the facili

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 11:30 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: On 12/23/2011 01:35 PM, jdow wrote: On 2011/12/22 19:29, Fernando Cassia wrote: Let´s all give a round of applause to the brainiacs who in the name of cost cutting, selected a flood-prone area to place their investment (factories), all due to the low wages.

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 11:26 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: If you find anything you think the rest of us might find interesting and can describe without blowing your stack let us know. And, if enough of us don't like it, maybe we can get it changed. I will post after I dig ... assuming I get my machine back (

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/23/2011 01:35 PM, jdow wrote: On 2011/12/22 19:29, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 15:19, Dave Ihnat wrote: That situation will ease--the industry is saying by second quarter, but my bet is for at least a year, maybe 16-18 months (since they have to either dry out and refur

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 11:08 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: That being said, I do think I will take a dive into "what has Fedora decided is the best usage and overridden the default". I suspect I will be surprised, but I promise that I will do my screaming in the general direction of my backyard and not thi

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 07:29 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Must have been the same guys who built Fukushima on a seismic area prone to tsunamis. I'd like to point out three things. First, all of Japan is tectonically active. Second, not one person outside the facility has been exposed to radiation from

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 05:34 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g wrote: > >> the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll. > >> i am not the one who has been trolling this list. > > While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I have so > far,

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 10:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Welcome BTW, if you want to know all of the aliases defined for your current session just type "alias". By default the system sets up more than just aliases for "ls". Ed: I am very familiar with the command alias. I just made a blind assumption

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/23/2011 10:32 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Many thanks. As I wrote to jdow, it is especially appreciated given > that my machine is in repair so all I can do is ask questions without > being able to do any searching for answers (yes, I could probably > google around, but as I wrote Joe I wa

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g wrote: > the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll. > i am not the one who has been trolling this list. While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I have so far, seen only you to come into the war and fight, shame on you! Wheth

virt-install --prompt

2011-12-22 Thread David Highley
We would like to establish a guest hosting set up so we can implement a rich media hosting environment. Would like to host ubuntu so we can install the plex adaptive bitrate server. Would like to host Windows 7 media center with hdcp playback. Maybe Lion for other media services. Will the virt imp

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 00:29 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Let´s all give a round of applause to the brainiacs who in the name of > cost cutting, selected a flood-prone area to place their investment > (factories), all due to the low wages. > > Must have been the same guys who built Fukushima on

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Richard Heck
On 12/22/2011 03:33 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Richard Heck wrote: When I do: ls /bin/ping I get "ping" displayed with black text on a red background. I don't see anything special about its permissions. What's up? Fedora switched[1] from using the suid-bit to capabilities. If you wis

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread Roelof "Ben" Kusters
However, on a 1M ADSL connection, downloading the netinstall saves a lot of download time. That'll be important for people whose ISPs are bandwidth-capped, too. I don't know where you're at. I'm in Thailand and here 7MBit ADSL is the cheapest available broadband package. Dialup is available to

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 20:01, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 00:29 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: Let´s all give a round of applause to the brainiacs who in the name of cost cutting, selected a flood-prone area to place their investment (factories), all due to the low wages. Must have been the

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 19:29, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 15:19, Dave Ihnat wrote: That situation will ease--the industry is saying by second quarter, but my bet is for at least a year, maybe 16-18 months (since they have to either dry out and refurbish flooded facilities, build new

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 15:19, Dave Ihnat wrote: >  That situation will ease--the industry is saying by second > quarter, but my bet is for at least a year, maybe 16-18 months (since they > have to either dry out and refurbish flooded facilities, build new > facilities, or expand existing faciliti

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:44, Tom Horsley wrote: > I got a 64GB SSD and keep current and previous fedora > partitions on it (32GB each) I´ve given some thought to SSDs as well, and I wonder if it wouldn´t make sense to put the boot and OS partition as ext3, and /tmp on ext2 (why journal temp fil

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 6:24 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: alias ls='ls --color=auto' /bin/ls [egreshko@meimei profile.d]$ which ls alias ls='ls --color=auto' /bin/ls [egreshko@meimei profile.d]$ which ll alias ll='ls -l --color=auto' /bin/ls [egreshko@meimei profile.d]$ which l. alias

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 6:22 PM, jdow wrote: To be honest I forget whether it is "alias ls="ls --color"" or "alias ls="ls --color=auto"". I suspect it's the former, at least for root. This is one of the first things I doctor with things like: alias dir="ls -lrt --color=auto" alias ls="ls --color=auto" ali

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/23/2011 09:22 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 12/22/2011 5:15 PM, jdow wrote: >> >>> >>> My F14 Linux box is getting repaired so I can't test ... what is >>> this alias >>> changing about 'ls'? I don't remember seeing any factory-setting >>> .bashrc that >>> has ls aliased to ls with some o

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 17:22, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 12/22/2011 5:15 PM, jdow wrote: My F14 Linux box is getting repaired so I can't test ... what is this alias changing about 'ls'? I don't remember seeing any factory-setting .bashrc that has ls aliased to ls with some options? It's been stand

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 5:15 PM, jdow wrote: My F14 Linux box is getting repaired so I can't test ... what is this alias changing about 'ls'? I don't remember seeing any factory-setting .bashrc that has ls aliased to ls with some options? It's been standard since RedHat 5.something, at least. It

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote: in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your personae. I think that the term you want is "sock puppet." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/23/2011 09:50 AM, Craig White wrote: > can't say for certain (and I'm not going to research) but I've been > using Linux for many years and never see blinking names from an ls > command except for broken symbolic links. Blinking/flashing makes sense > in terms of drawing your attention to thi

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 5:50 PM, Craig White wrote: can't say for certain (and I'm not going to research) but I've been using Linux for many years and never see blinking names from an ls command except for broken symbolic links. Blinking/flashing makes sense in terms of drawing your attention to thin

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 17:57, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 12:47:56 Steven Stern wrote: With tech, it will always be faster, cheaper, and better next year. If you can use the benefit now and it's hit your price point, buy it. If it's not at your price point, wait a bit. Forgive

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 22 December 2011 12:47:56 Steven Stern wrote: > With tech, it will always be faster, cheaper, and better next year. If > you can use the benefit now and it's hit your price point, buy it. If > it's not at your price point, wait a bit. Forgive my ignorance, what is a "price point"? Be

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 17:35 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 12/22/2011 5:30 PM, Craig White wrote: > > > > I find it extremely useful to have my attention drawn to the fact that > > this linked file is broken so the flashing seems entirely useful. The > > colorization is less interesting to me

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 17:40, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 05:23 PM, jdow wrote: Get a cheap replacement drive and install fresh on it. See if that works. Until last month when Social Security kicked in, I had no income. Literally. A "cheap replacement drive" is still a big chunk of my monthly income,

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Koh Choon Lin
Hi On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > I just wondered if anyone here has had any experience in using SSDs in > general, and with Fedora in particular? I am thinking about an upgrade, but > I am uncertain whether it is worth it to invest in an SSD now, or let the > te

64 bit issue with wine/F16

2011-12-22 Thread Fedora User
I filed a bug report so I am just bringing this to the attention of users. Turns out that wine installs duplicated 32 bit and 64 bit packages. With dependencies, it works out to an additional 96 32-bit packages and about an additional quarter gig of space. For example wine-64 requires wine-core-64

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 05:23 PM, jdow wrote: Get a cheap replacement drive and install fresh on it. See if that works. Until last month when Social Security kicked in, I had no income. Literally. A "cheap replacement drive" is still a big chunk of my monthly income, not to be considered lightly, espe

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 5:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I remember, once, chasing this down from /etc/bashrc to some other file and, IIRC, a third file that contains the definitions. I was very unhappy to learn that all of the definitions were numeric and there was no key included to help you figure out what

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 05:22 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: I remember seeing certain files or directories colorized to some color over black which, in my opinion, is visually difficult to read and I've been following the thread with the hopes of seeign a solution. I don't mind, and actually like, colored t

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 5:30 PM, Craig White wrote: I find it extremely useful to have my attention drawn to the fact that this linked file is broken so the flashing seems entirely useful. The colorization is less interesting to me and very painful if I try to use white on black terminals (so I don't). I

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Fedora User wrote: > On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:04:00 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > >> I generally don't do install from DVD because there will always be the >> first yum update after the install, to kill a bit of time. I use the > > Actually, you can enable the update

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 5:26 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Part of the standard .bashrc includes /etc/bashrc and its standard definitions. One of them sets ls to be the color version, and I used to chase it down and remove it, only to have the next update of the file return it. I finally realized that putting

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 17:10 -0800, jdow wrote: > Now THAT one is indeed a borken specification in the ls colorization code. > Blinking anything makes me want to find the person who perpetrated it and > wreck unimaginable havoc upon his soon to be cooling body. > > {^_^} and about this one, I'm

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread Fedora User
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:04:00 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > I generally don't do install from DVD because there will always be the > first yum update after the install, to kill a bit of time. I use the Actually, you can enable the update repo with the dvd install. The installation will then proceed fr

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > On 23.12.2011 01:04, Joel Rees wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >>> i made some hundret dist-upgrades since 2006 with yum >>> yes they are sometimes not "start and forget" but it takes >>> me 1-3 days a

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 05:04 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: My F14 Linux box is getting repaired so I can't test ... what is this alias changing about 'ls'? I don't remember seeing any factory-setting .bashrc that has ls aliased to ls with some options? Paul Part of the standard .bashrc includes /etc/bas

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 17:16, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 04:29 PM, jdow wrote: (Joe MIGHT have been wise to move to 15 from 14 then move to 16 from 15 as the upgrade path would have smaller changes. 14 to 15 might have properly caught his syslogd problem. I'm not looking forward to the day the RHEL p

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 04:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: do colors hurt you? what is so different in understanding a hdnaful of colors? If I want that info, I can always use ls -l; if I don't use that, it means that I don't care or don't need it. what is so different to understand a blinking red link

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 04:29 PM, jdow wrote: (Joe MIGHT have been wise to move to 15 from 14 then move to 16 from 15 as the upgrade path would have smaller changes. 14 to 15 might have properly caught his syslogd problem. I'm not looking forward to the day the RHEL path adopts systemd. It sounds like mor

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 17:04, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 12/22/2011 2:52 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: That's why my .bashrc contains this line: alias ls=ls That gets rid of the colors that somebody "helpfully" decided that everybody wants. Joe: My F14 Linux box is getting repaired so I can't test ... what i

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 16:59, Reindl Harald wrote: On 22.12.2011 23:52, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 02:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Look up the manual "man dircolors". It's documented. Yes, but only if you happen to understand the numeric codes and how they interact. For somebody like me, who

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 14:52, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 02:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Look up the manual "man dircolors". It's documented. Yes, but only if you happen to understand the numeric codes and how they interact. For somebody like me, who has no need to know that type of thing, it's si

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 16:53, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 13:16 -0800, jdow wrote: One could observe that Windows tends to get this right. One could observe your attitude matches with "It was hard to write, it should be hard to use!" One could observe that this is a sign of acceptance of sl

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/22/2011 2:52 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: That's why my .bashrc contains this line: alias ls=ls That gets rid of the colors that somebody "helpfully" decided that everybody wants. Joe: My F14 Linux box is getting repaired so I can't test ... what is this alias changing about 'ls'? I don't r

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 22.12.2011 23:52, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 02:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> Look up the manual "man dircolors". It's documented. > > Yes, but only if you happen to understand the numeric codes and how they > interact. For somebody like me, who has > no need to know that type of t

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 13:16 -0800, jdow wrote: > One could observe that Windows tends to get this right. One could observe > your attitude matches with "It was hard to write, it should be hard to use!" > One could observe that this is a sign of acceptance of sloppiness. And there > are more things

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 02:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Look up the manual "man dircolors". It's documented. Yes, but only if you happen to understand the numeric codes and how they interact. For somebody like me, who has no need to know that type of thing, it's simply gibberish. That's why my .bas

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 14:19, Reindl Harald wrote: On 22.12.2011 22:16, jdow wrote: Careful sir, you just stepped into the brown pile the doggie left. One could observe that Windows tends to get this right. One could observe your attitude matches with "It was hard to write, it should be hard to use!" O

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 23.12.2011 01:04, Joel Rees wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> i made some hundret dist-upgrades since 2006 with yum >> yes they are sometimes not "start and forget" but it takes >> me 1-3 days after a fresh-install (many services, customized >> configs) and so

Re: GNOME 3 Classic on the way

2011-12-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:59 AM, JB wrote: > Christopher Svanefalk gmail.com> writes: > >> >> >> I switched to Gnome3 just recently, and frankly, I am not sure I would want >> to > go back again. Yes, the project has to mature, and I expect we will hit F18 > before Gnome3 is on par with Gnome2 i

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > On 22.12.2011 20:29, mike cloaked wrote: >> Of course others may largely have had no problems with ugrades and >> maybe I was just the one unlucky one!  Anyway with all the QA testing >> on recent versions as well as the QA testing of the

Re: GNOME 3 Classic on the way

2011-12-22 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 12/22/2011 01:09:40 PM, JB wrote: > Cinnamon: GNOME Shell Fork With A GNOME2-Like Layout > http://www.webupd8.org/2011/12/cinnamon-gnome-shell-fork-with- > gnome2.html Having switched to xfce4 when I discovered what a hash the Gnome developers had made of the UI, why should I go back? Sure, th

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 22.12.2011 23:55, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 02:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> if you call it arrogance to check what i am doing before, while and >> especially AFTER a dist-upgrade so i am arrogant - better this than >> doing anything without verify > > No, but it is arrogance to put an

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 02:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if you call it arrogance to check what i am doing before, while and especially AFTER a dist-upgrade so i am arrogant - better this than doing anything without verify No, but it is arrogance to put another member of the list (me, as it happens) for n

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 22.12.2011 22:16, jdow wrote: > Careful sir, you just stepped into the brown pile the doggie left. > > One could observe that Windows tends to get this right. One could observe > your attitude matches with "It was hard to write, it should be hard to use!" > One could observe that this is a sig

Re: Theme extension broke

2011-12-22 Thread Germán A. Racca
On 12/21/2011 10:32 PM, Lawrence Graves wrote: On 12/21/2011 04:44 PM, Mohamed El Morabity wrote: Hi, the bug was reported and fixed upstream; https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666054 You should write a bug report to merge the fix in the gnome-tweak-tool package. Thanks for this

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:53:56 -0600, AK (Aaron) wrote: > > Same here. Do : ls /bin/* and you will see he programs hat display > > like: mount, umount, ping, su, fusermounnt, and ping6. > > > > I can't figure out what these programs have in common to be displayed in > > a special color. > > What

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:48:27 -0600, AK (Aaron) wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 15:13 -0500, Richard Heck wrote: > > When I do: > > ls /bin/ping > > I get "ping" displayed with black text on a red background. I don't see > > anything special about its permissions. What's up? I ask because I'v

Re: R: Re: R: Re: Openfoam is available!!!

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:47 PM, antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: > as already explained, thread was already open: I will not spend any more > time (that I don't have) to add any single line why I didn't (or I forgot to) > add the description of Openfoam... You are totally incorrect If your "annou

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Aaron Konstam wrote: I can't figure out what these programs have in common to be displayed in a special color. Aaron, did you receive my reply to the OP question? http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/410704.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To uns

Re: GNOME 3 Classic on the way

2011-12-22 Thread JB
Christopher Svanefalk gmail.com> writes: > > > I switched to Gnome3 just recently, and frankly, I am not sure I would want to go back again. Yes, the project has to mature, and I expect we will hit F18 before Gnome3 is on par with Gnome2 in terms of raw stability (I sometimes cannot even log ou

Re: GNOME 3 Classic on the way

2011-12-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:50:40PM +0100, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > I switched to Gnome3 just recently, and frankly, I am not sure I would want > to go back again. Yes, the project has to mature, and I expect we will hit > F18 before Gnome3 is on par with Gnome2 in terms of raw stability (I >

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 15:48 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 15:13 -0500, Richard Heck wrote: > > When I do: > > ls /bin/ping > > I get "ping" displayed with black text on a red background. I don't see > > anything special about its permissions. What's up? I ask because I

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Claude Jones
On 12/22/2011 4:16 PM, jdow wrote: Your arrogance seems to have tripped you up, sir. his posts drip with disdain, lording his far superior practices, and heaping scorn on the lesser mortals he's supposedly here to help...(at least, I thought that was the purpose of this list) -- Claude Jone

Re: GNOME 3 Classic on the way

2011-12-22 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
I switched to Gnome3 just recently, and frankly, I am not sure I would want to go back again. Yes, the project has to mature, and I expect we will hit F18 before Gnome3 is on par with Gnome2 in terms of raw stability (I sometimes cannot even log out without getting a freeze), but I absolutely belie

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 15:13 -0500, Richard Heck wrote: > When I do: > ls /bin/ping > I get "ping" displayed with black text on a red background. I don't see > anything special about its permissions. What's up? I ask because I've > installed another program recently that has the same color d

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Claude Jones
On 12/22/2011 4:01 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:24 AM, Claude Jones wrote: On 12/22/2011 1:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I just saw that the url I gave for the BZ was incomplete: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918 thanks, just added a comment to confirm your report Great!

Re: Fedora 15: evolution and scripts as signatures

2011-12-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 08:38 -0500, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 08:29 -0500, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > In Fedora releases previous to 15, Evolution had an option allowing me > > to use a small script to generate my signature. In Fedora 15, I can no >

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 01:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: however, do not check this after dist-upgrades is a epic-fail how do you debig all the other problems you wrote about if least your syslog does not work? Apples and oranges here, because you're working in a production environment and I'm only deali

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/22 10:58, Reindl Harald wrote: On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote: "The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with default start and stop policy from the new package, and not to migrate what the user had previously configured."

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 08:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote: >> in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you >> did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your >> personae. > > I think that the term you want is "sock puppet." -=- actually,

Re: [389-users] replica="unknown": Unable to acquire replica: error: no such replica

2011-12-22 Thread Rich Megginson
On 12/20/2011 11:40 AM, Jared Carter wrote: Hi Rich, thanks for the reply. Running this on RHEL 5.7. Versions of all the 389 stuff I'm using are: 389-ds-base-1.2.5-1.el5 389-dsgw-1.1.4-1.el5 389-ds-1.1.3-6.el5 389-adminutil-1.1.8-4.el5 389-admin-1.1.10-1.el5 389-admin-console-1.1.4-3.el5 389-

GNOME 3 Classic on the way

2011-12-22 Thread JB
Cinnamon: GNOME Shell Fork With A GNOME2-Like Layout http://www.webupd8.org/2011/12/cinnamon-gnome-shell-fork-with-gnome2.html JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 22.12.2011 21:57, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 10:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> > On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote: >> "The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with >> default >> start and stop policy from t

Re: [389-users] Getting Started with the console

2011-12-22 Thread Rich Megginson
On 12/20/2011 07:23 PM, Stephen More wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 12/19/2011 03:56 PM, Stephen More wrote: I have looked through the documentation and have found references to install package 389-admin so that I can run setup-ds-admin.pl and 389-console. Bu

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 11:24 AM, Claude Jones wrote: On 12/22/2011 1:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I just saw that the url I gave for the BZ was incomplete: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918 thanks, just added a comment to confirm your report Great! I see that you got hit going from F15 t

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 10:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote: >> "The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with default >> start and stop policy from the new package, and not to migrate what the >> user had previous

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 10:44 AM, Claude Jones wrote: I tried, but your link just took me into the login page; I logged in and then I got an error saying "You must specify a product first" - Tried a second time, but only got a blank bug reporting page ready to be filled in - no trace in all of this of your

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Richard Heck wrote: When I do: ls /bin/ping I get "ping" displayed with black text on a red background. I don't see anything special about its permissions. What's up? Fedora switched[1] from using the suid-bit to capabilities. If you wish to see capabilities you can run "getcap" on the fi

Re: Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 22.12.2011 21:13, Richard Heck wrote: > > When I do: > ls /bin/ping > I get "ping" displayed with black text on a red background. I don't see > anything special about its permissions. > What's up? I ask because I've installed another program recently that has the > same color display, a

Listings Question About Ping

2011-12-22 Thread Richard Heck
When I do: ls /bin/ping I get "ping" displayed with black text on a red background. I don't see anything special about its permissions. What's up? I ask because I've installed another program recently that has the same color display, and I'm trying to figure out why. Richard -- users ma

Re: R: Re: Openfoam is available!!!

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 08:47 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 16:32 +0100, antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: never heard of Google?? Unbelievable. Do you *still* not get it? In words of one syllable: why do you make me look at a web page to see if I want this? Why do you not just t

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 22.12.2011 20:29, mike cloaked wrote: > Of course others may largely have had no problems with ugrades and > maybe I was just the one unlucky one! Anyway with all the QA testing > on recent versions as well as the QA testing of the upgrade path > perhaps my experience of it is simply outdated

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:47:56 -0600 Steven Stern wrote: > With tech, it will always be faster, cheaper, and better next year. If > you can use the benefit now and it's hit your price point, buy it. If > it's not at your price point, wait a bit. As long as the memory chip factories don't get flood

Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable

2011-12-22 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 02:31 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >> >> the almost inevitable >> problems that have come from the upgrade of an older system. > > > And I've been doing upgrades for years and this is the first time I've ever > had the slightest bit of tr

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Claude Jones
On 12/22/2011 1:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I just saw that the url I gave for the BZ was incomplete: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918 thanks, just added a comment to confirm your report -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsu

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On 22/12/11 18:56, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Just did it on an F15> F16, rsyslog came up enabled and running. Admittedly I did "yum update" on the box. rsyslog was converted to systemd in F15, so F15->F16 would have just retained the enabl

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Reindl Harald
On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote: >> "The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with default >> start and stop policy from the new package, and not to migrate what the >> user had previously configured." > > In other words, the new rule is

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Heinz Diehl wrote: I am quite satisfied with my 7200rmp SATA disks. Richard's email reminded me of a video I made of package installation on an SSD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnuCHh2QN8Y Your HDD will cry for mercy when you see over 400 packages being updated in under 5 minutes. The s

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > Just did it on an F15 > F16, > rsyslog came up enabled and running. > Admittedly I did "yum update" on the box. rsyslog was converted to systemd in F15, so F15->F16 would have just retained the enabled state in systemd. -T.C. -- users maili

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 07:41 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Just did it on an F15 > F16, rsyslog came up enabled and running. Admittedly I did "yum update" on the box. I just saw that the url I gave for the BZ was incomplete: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918 -- users mailing list users@list

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 07:41 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Just did it on an F15 > F16, rsyslog came up enabled and running. Admittedly I did "yum update" on the box. It's possible that the upgrade method is significant. I used preupgrade on both my desktop and laptop. The bug struck the desktop but I've y

Re: R: Re: Openfoam is available!!!

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 07:39 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: Make the effort to explain yourself just a little bit. Not all of us are rocket scientists. Not only that, not all of us share your interests. Just because this project is very important to you doesn't mean that world+dog is going to recognize it wi

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