Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:56:12 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > > It's my current understanding that you can use Thunderbird on > > Windows to import a pst file and then import from that into Evolution or, > > possibly, Sylpheed. > > > > Or, if you have a dual boot, use Thunderbird under Linux, which is wha

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Antonio Olivares wrote: > You can use the compose command and set it up in ~/.bashrc > Add a line > > setxkbmap -option compose:ralt & I use the menu key, to the right of right-alt, since right-alt is also known as Alt-Gr and it has a different function than left-alt. left-alt-m does not print

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread 夜神 岩男
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 20:15 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/15/2011 04:19 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > > This sort of > > developer often can't tell you who Fred Brooks, Eric Raymond, Donald > > Knuth, Ken Thompson, or anyone similar are > > And let's not forget the sane genius, Daniel J. Alderson. JPL is s

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
On 15 Jun 2011 at 22:52, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org From: Petrus de Calguarium Subject:Re: Special Characters Date sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:52:05 -0600 Send reply to: Community support

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > The hardest to remember are ¿ and ¡ Really? ¿ is alt-/ (shift-/ is ?) ¡ is alt-1 (shift-1 is !) I find those really obvious. I just found ç and Ç. They're also somewhat obvious, but not based on the c. ç is alt-, Ç is shift-alt-, -- users mailing list users@li

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Joe Zeff wrote: > No. They were arranged that way to minimize the possibility of keyboard > jams in early manual typewriters. True. Now that you mention it, it jogs my memory. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedor

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread L
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 21:47 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> >> Alas, I expect not.  We are rapidly becoming a Window

Re: Gnome3

2011-06-15 Thread Brian Mury
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 19:17 -0400, Jayson Rowe wrote: > The other way to get to your smaller windows is to either move your mouse > to the upper left-hand corener of your screen, or tap the "Super" (Windows > Key if your keyboard has one) which will bring up all windows you have > open at the ti

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 09:52 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > I realize that they are based on > character frequency in English, No. They were arranged that way to minimize the possibility of keyboard jams in early manual typewriters. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe o

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Tim wrote: > Ever more, the need for the standard QWERTY keyboard (and its ilk) to be > abandoned has increased. It's inadequate for anything more than primary > school beginner's English. I've always wanted a keyboard that has the letters arranged in order. It makes no sense for me, and likely

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:41 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:50 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > IMHO this is the only reasonable way to do accented characters. The > > "compose-key" combos are hopeless for people who actually use accents > > continually, as I do in Spanish. The ot

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:14 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > nomnex wrote: > > > I used to simultaneously press , and keys. > > Release "U" key and enter Unicode symbol's hex code > > Holy Moley! But you have to memorize the unicode hex code for each character. > You're right, it doesn't w

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 21:47 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> Alas, I expect not. We are rapidly becoming a Windows-only shop. > >> I have my doubts they actually know. > >> I'm pr

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/16/2011 04:53 AM, JB wrote: > Here is the answer - you should be more sceptical about systemd's > "helpfulness": > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152596.html The mail you are referring to is wrong on several details. IPV6 is entirely optional in systemd for inst

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/16/2011 08:28 AM, Tim wrote: > Most of the time, we don't. But then it can be handy for some boxes to > have different run-levels. > > e.g. A server that's usually left alone on the shelf, occasionally > remote managed by command line. Even less occasionally, you might plug > a keyboard and

Re: systemd, complex?

2011-06-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/16/2011 02:17 AM, Stuart McGraw wrote: > > 'bochecha' was not the person who wrote the blog > response that Ed Greshko quoted, he was the person > to whom the text was addressed. The quoted response > was written by Lennart if that changes your assessment > of its credibility. It doesn't

Re: A clarification of Fedora philosophy.

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 08:23 PM, Tim wrote: > Not everything will fit on the DVD, so you install extras, afterwards. > > Gnome reckons you don't need to configure it to death, so many things > are preset, and customisation requires fiddling under the hood. > I suspect that these two are the main reasons.

Re: A clarification of Fedora philosophy.

2011-06-15 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 15:18 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > I don't want to start Yet Another Flame War, Yet, he asks the question that's gonna do it... ;-) > but does anybody know how or why such seemingly-obvious tools were > left out? Was it just a case of "so many programs, so little time?" Hasn'

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 04:19 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > This sort of > developer often can't tell you who Fred Brooks, Eric Raymond, Donald > Knuth, Ken Thompson, or anyone similar are And let's not forget the sane genius, Daniel J. Alderson. JPL is still using his programs to navigate space probes 25 years afte

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:50 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > IMHO this is the only reasonable way to do accented characters. The > "compose-key" combos are hopeless for people who actually use accents > continually, as I do in Spanish. The other option (using a special > language keyboard) can b

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread nomnex
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Antonio Olivares wrote: > nomnex, > > You can use the compose command and set it up in ~/.bashrc > Add a line > > setxkbmap -option compose:ralt & Antonio, thank you! -- nomnex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or c

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 03:44 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > Ouch. I'm pretty sure it's POP. POP (or to be more accurate, POP3) just means that you download the mail to your client instead of having it "live" on the server. If you expect to need any emails you get to be available at work, just be sure to

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 03:39 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > Alas, I expect not. We are rapidly becoming a Windows-only shop. > I have my doubts they actually know. > I'm pretty sure Microsoft has the actual mail. > Supposing they do know, neither evolution nor > KMail is on their list of approved clients. >

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 16:56 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > I never needed all of those run levels, It was just confusing and > useless complexity. And 2-3 of them were always unused anyway, so > getting rid of them was sensible. Most of the time, we don't. But then it can be handy for some

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 03:32 PM, Frank Cox wrote: > It's my current understanding that you can use Thunderbird on > Windows to import a pst file and then import from that into Evolution or, > possibly, Sylpheed. > Or, if you have a dual boot, use Thunderbird under Linux, which is what I use. -- users mai

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:00 +, JB wrote: > Now, I think that Fedora (thru its Red Hat sponsorship) is acting "by > ambush" - that is, there is very little consideration for opinion > expressed by users *prior* to schedule of new major features > (projects) to be implemented in next release. > I

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Alas, I expect not. We are rapidly becoming a Windows-only shop. >> I have my doubts they actually know. >> I'm pretty sure Microsoft has the actual mail. >> Supposing they do know, nei

rsyslogd bug?

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Wright
I think there is a bug in rsyslogd on f14. According to the man page it very specifically states that a "kill -HUP pid" will reload rsyslogd.conf. I tried modifying one of the rules in rsyslogd.conf followed by a HUP; I tried variations on the rule. Nothing mattered. HUP did *not* pick up the

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > IMHO this is the only reasonable way to do accented > characters. > > I used to simultaneously press , > and keys. > Release "U" key and enter Unicode symbol's hex code (I use > Fr/En)... It > does not always work (eg. applications using a QT toolkit) > > Linux compose key sequences method

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread JB
夜神 岩男 yahoo.co.jp> writes: > > Sorry, JB, I usually avoid posting (hence the trash email address), but > not today because this hit home. > Well, we are happy we woke you up :-) > ... > There are too many people to please and > no possible way everyone can communicate everything to each other

Re: Gnome3

2011-06-15 Thread Vinny Onelli
> From: Jayson Rowe > Subject: Re: Gnome3 > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Vinny Onelli wrote: > > > Hello, > > I installed Fedora 15, now I am struggling with gnome3. Here is one > > thing that I can't seam to find the way to solve, if I have 2 window > > open one is full screen and the other is smaller,

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Mike Wright
On 06/15/2011 04:19 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > Sorry, JB, I usually avoid posting (hence the trash email address), but > not today because this hit home. > > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 22:06 +, JB wrote: >> Clyde E. Kunkel cox.net> writes: >> >>> ... >>> All this said, I am beginning to believe Fedora is

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 18:24 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> >> That leaves the blanks I need to fill in. >>> From migration information given to Mac users, >> I gather at least part of one answer is red001.mail.microsoftonline.com . >> If so, is t

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 18:24 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > > That leaves the blanks I need to fill in. > >From migration information given to Mac users, > I gather at least part of one answer is red001.mail.microsoftonline.com . > If so, is that incoming server, outgoing server or something els

Re: Gnome3

2011-06-15 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 19:17 -0400, Jayson Rowe wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Vinny Onelli wrote: > > > Hello, > > I installed Fedora 15, now I am struggling with gnome3. Here is one > > thing that I can't seam to find the way to solve, if I have 2 window > > open one is full screen and the oth

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:16 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. > I'd like to be able to get at it through either > KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. > I've tried to set up both without success. > That I've never used a mail client be

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread nomnex
nobody to help me setting a compose key on LXDE? I found an article about editing XORG. in /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules, the xorg file is now auto generated. And it says do DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE. I have include this command in my bashrc file to be able to switch from US/CH(F) "setxkbmap -layout "jp,c

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:44 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Frank Cox wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:16:58 -0500 (CDT) >>> Michael Hennebry wrote: >>> For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail.

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread JB
Petrus de Calguarium writes: > ... > Why shouldn't it load modules on its own? If the system can take care of > running itself, then all the less for me to worry about. I don't want to have > to configure every little thing; I want the system to run itself. But, I do > like to be able to conf

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread 夜神 岩男
Sorry, JB, I usually avoid posting (hence the trash email address), but not today because this hit home. On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 22:06 +, JB wrote: > Clyde E. Kunkel cox.net> writes: > > > ... > > All this said, I am beginning to believe Fedora is more and more an > > experiment in social engi

Re: Gnome3

2011-06-15 Thread Jayson Rowe
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Vinny Onelli wrote: > Hello, > I installed Fedora 15, now I am struggling with gnome3. Here is one > thing that I can't seam to find the way to solve, if I have 2 window > open one is full screen and the other is smaller, clicking to the full > screen pushes the smaller behi

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
nomnex wrote: > I used to simultaneously press , and keys. > Release "U" key and enter Unicode symbol's hex code Holy Moley! But you have to memorize the unicode hex code for each character. You're right, it doesn't work in KDE. > Linux compose key sequences method is a gem I like them, too,

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 16:59 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Or diacritical+space, which works all the time. I speak as one with an > > apostrophe in my name :-) > > I have an ü :-) but in English, I usually just use ue. > ü pops up in Spanish now and again,

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:44 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Frank Cox wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:16:58 -0500 (CDT) > > Michael Hennebry wrote: > > > >> For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. > >> I'd like to be able to get at it through either > >>

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Or diacritical+space, which works all the time. I speak as one with an > apostrophe in my name :-) I have an ü :-) but in English, I usually just use ue. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Joe Zeff wrote: > > > On 06/15/2011 03:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> With KMail I'm stuck when I get to > >> Server Innformation > >> Incoming server: > >> Outgoing server: > >> Use local delivery > >> > > > >

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 18:39 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Michael Hennebry writes: > > > For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. > > I'd like to be able to get at it through either > > KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. > > I've tried to set up both without success. > >

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:16 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. > I'd like to be able to get at it through either > KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. > I've tried to set up both without success. > That I've never used a mail client bef

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/16/2011 12:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:39:38 + (UTC) > JB wrote: > >> There are people on test and user lists who are afraid to even touch F15 ... >> and the reasons are systemd, GNOME 3, etc. Things called "progress" ... Well, I am "sufficiently impressed" by F15

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
JB wrote: > - going beyond system init replacement > - not adhering to UNIX principles (modularity, etc) > - interference with sysadmin duties/decisions to set up the system (e.g. > loading modules on its own and e.g. enabling sys capabilities and > protocols) It would be nice if there were m

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread nomnex
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:50:56 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > IMHO this is the only reasonable way to do accented characters. I used to simultaneously press , and keys. Release "U" key and enter Unicode symbol's hex code (I use Fr/En)... It does not always work (eg. applications using a QT t

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Frank Cox wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:16:58 -0500 (CDT) > Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. >> I'd like to be able to get at it through either >> KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. >> I've tried to set up both wi

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/15/2011 03:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> With KMail I'm stuck when I get to >> Server Innformation >> Incoming server: >> Outgoing server: >> Use local delivery >> > > There was a time when I could easily have talked you through finding the > inform

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Michael Hennebry writes: For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. I'd like to be able to get at it through either KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. I've tried to set up both without success. That I've never used a mail client before probably doesn't help. With KMail I'

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread JB
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > ... I am going easy about systemd. I am not sure it is going to survive as is ... Just a small example. # yum info avahi ... Description : Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on : a local network -- this means that you can plug you

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:16:58 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: > For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. > I'd like to be able to get at it through either > KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. > I've tried to set up both without success. > That I've never used a mail cli

Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 03:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > With KMail I'm stuck when I get to > Server Innformation > Incoming server: > Outgoing server: > Use local delivery > There was a time when I could easily have talked you through finding the information in Outlook, but I happily recycled those neu

Re: A clarification of Fedora philosophy.

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 03:02 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > You are not missing anything, gnome 3 is missing a lot of things! > Certainly proper configuration tools. And proper documentation to > explain the 'inner workings'. I don't want to start Yet Another Flame War, but does anybody know how or why s

How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. I'd like to be able to get at it through either KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. I've tried to set up both without success. That I've never used a mail client before probably doesn't help. With KMail I'm stuck when I get to Server

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:39:38 + (UTC) JB wrote: > There are people on test and user lists who are afraid to even touch F15 ... > and the reasons are systemd, GNOME 3, etc. Things called "progress" ... I rather like systemd, not because I feel like I'll ever be able to understand it ("mind numb

Re: Possible to turn off NetworkManager?

2011-06-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:59:45 -0600 Stuart McGraw wrote: > org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service failed to load That means it is off, but people are gonna complain about it now. It is still off though. My system runs fine with those warnings (I haven't yet tried to try down who the heck is asking

Re: A clarification of Fedora philosophy.

2011-06-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:37:24 -0500 Aaron Konstam wrote: > Only a very minimal set of keys can be displayed to be manipulated in > dconf-editor. The ones that gconf-editor shows that actually control > things like mice and windows focus I can not find in dconf-editor. Yea, things definitely appear

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread JB
Clyde E. Kunkel cox.net> writes: > ... > All this said, I am beginning to believe Fedora is more and more an > experiment in social engineering. > ... That's a well-chosen remark :-) "Social engineering is the art of manipulating people into performing actions...". I think it also applies to op

Re: A clarification of Fedora philosophy.

2011-06-15 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:37:24PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Now I am really confused. Both gconf-editor and dconf-editor come up > with the alias Configuration Editor, so I assume only one of them can > show up in the menu of applications. dconf-editor does not show up even > if gconf is not

Re: A clarification of Fedora philosophy.

2011-06-15 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 20:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/15/2011 05:14 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > But first don't you mean gconf-editor rather than dconf-editor? The > > latter when installed does not show up in the menus of Gnome3 and seems > > to me rather obscure to use. At least I can

Re: Possible to turn off NetworkManager?

2011-06-15 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Stuart McGraw writes: In the past (fedora-8, fedora-11), I have always turned off the NetworkManager service, leaving just the network service running and configured by network (which are wired and seldom change) by editing configuration files or using a little network config tool (forgot what i

Gnome3

2011-06-15 Thread Vinny Onelli
Hello, I installed Fedora 15, now I am struggling with gnome3. Here is one thing that I can't seam to find the way to solve, if I have 2 window open one is full screen and the other is smaller, clicking to the full screen pushes the smaller behind. how to reduce the size of the full screen? I appr

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/15/2011 03:39 PM, JB wrote: > Hi, > > there is a very interesting discussion on Fedora devel list: > > systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) Denys Vlasenko > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html > > The poster, Denys Vlasenko, showed an inquir

Re: Yum and security

2011-06-15 Thread Markku Kolkka
15.6.2011 19:41, CS DBA kirjoitti: > That said, we'll need to be able to manage updates in a very controlled > manner. Can anyone point me to any info, documentation, etc in the area > of managing security on RedHat / RPM based distro's, how to manage > security updates via yum, best practices f

Possible to turn off NetworkManager?

2011-06-15 Thread Stuart McGraw
In the past (fedora-8, fedora-11), I have always turned off the NetworkManager service, leaving just the network service running and configured by network (which are wired and seldom change) by editing configuration files or using a little network config tool (forgot what its executable name w

Re: How to make gnome3 on F15 more convenient

2011-06-15 Thread Stuart McGraw
On 06/15/2011 08:57 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: > On 06/15/2011 10:43 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: [...] > I think you mean > > yum install gnome-shell-extensions-dock Yes, thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fe

Re: systemd, complex?

2011-06-15 Thread Stuart McGraw
On 06/15/2011 03:53 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/15/2011 02:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> I must admit that I've not spent much time to digest what advantages >> there are to moving to systemd. However, it does seem to be quite a >> complex system with, as of yet, hard to locate documentation.

Re: Sound problem: more channels == worse quality

2011-06-15 Thread grim76
On 06/15/2011 03:23 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > While diagnosing my sound issues which I at first attributed to my new > Creative T6100 speakers (yeah, they're pretty low end for surround > systems), I found that the sound quality was still poor when I plugged > in my headphones to the front audio po

Re: [389-users] saslauthd won't work

2011-06-15 Thread Anthony Messina
On 06/15/2011 08:02 AM, Gioachino Bartolotta wrote: > ldapsearch -d 1 -D "cn=Directory Manager" -h dirsrv01.dominio -w > secret -ZZ '(uid=u01209)' If you are using the OpenLDAP ldapsearch, you might need to try: ldapsearch -Y GSSAPI (then the rest of your search) -- Anthony - http://messinet

Re: Current preupgrade?

2011-06-15 Thread BeartoothHOS
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:25:39 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: [] > It appears, however, that you would like to use XFCE instead of G3. In > that case, why not do a clear install from the F15 LiveCD XFCE spin? I wrote a reply yesterday, which seems to have evaporated into cyberspace

systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread JB
Hi, there is a very interesting discussion on Fedora devel list: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) Denys Vlasenko http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html The poster, Denys Vlasenko, showed an inquiring mind and justified it by asking very relev

Re: Saving Youtube Videos in Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
Hi, If someone builds this simple gtk app: http://trizen.googlecode.com/files/gtk-youtube-viewer Then many problems will be solved... Z 2011/6/15 Patrick O'Callaghan : > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 13:37 +0900, nomnex wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:26:57 -0400 >> james tate wrote: >> >> > Where ar

Sound problem: more channels == worse quality

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Shaw
While diagnosing my sound issues which I at first attributed to my new Creative T6100 speakers (yeah, they're pretty low end for surround systems), I found that the sound quality was still poor when I plugged in my headphones to the front audio port. Of course after that I started blaming the soun

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 11:19 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote: > > > I'm using the US English keyboard, and am so used to that, I don't want to > > change the layout. > > I type a lot in German and French and I also use the US 104-key generic > layout. > In systems

Re: kindly send your suggestion for the Event of Linux at Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 10:54 AM, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote: > If anybody want to help us with their ideas , they can share their > precious ideas with us and suggest us for this event. We are very > thankful to you for your help & support. I like to show friends who've never seen Linux in action the Deskto

Re: fedora 12 and no GUI

2011-06-15 Thread Kam Leo
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:01 AM, gary clark wrote: > The problem was lack of RAM I only has 256 increased to 1G and all is good. Many old boxes have been / are / will be headed to the scrape pile because of memory limitations. You are lucky that you can add memory. Good luck with F12 but don't e

kindly send your suggestion for the Event of Linux at Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar

2011-06-15 Thread Navdeep Singh Sidhu
Hello Frnds, I am a student of B.tech C.S.E.(Guru Nanak Dev University).We have a plan to organize an Mega Event of Linux at our Campus. When we share our idea among peoples & students. We got a good response. We also get help & support from various experts of Linux.We have the plan to hold this e

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Antonio Olivares
> we have a Windows-free home! > -- So you can't look outside because you have no "Windows" :( You could at least use curtains, shutters, or tint them to protect from the hot sun if your house would not be "windows-free":) Could not resist! :( :) :) :) Regards, Antonio -- users mailing l

Re: Saving Youtube Videos in Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Actually, I modified it a bit more, as I couldn't quite get it to do the whole download, so I put this in my .bashrc function fid () { echo $( ps -fu peter | egrep 'libflashplayer\.so' | egrep 'npviewer.bin' | egrep -om 1 -E '\<[0-9]+\>' | head -1 ) ; } All I do is type fid to get the flash id

Re: Saving Youtube Videos in Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:26:57 -0400 > james tate wrote: > >> At one time Youtube videos were being temp. downloaded while playing >> to the /tmp directory where you could save from, but now it seems >> that is no longer the case. >> >> Where are they being temp. downloaded to

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Tim
Tim: >> The last time I tried to do this with a DOS/FAT formatted drive, I >> had to figure out how to assign a drive letter to the drive, before I >> could use the DOS commands to apply a drive label (because those >> commands could only make use of DOS drive letters, rather than Linux >> device n

Re: A-link na1gu usb-ethernet adapter

2011-06-15 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:25 AM, jarmo wrote: > Anyone got this working in FC ? When I connect adapter, it is > regonized as asix. With dhcp it gets ipnumber ok, but that's it. > No traffic after that. This test with Acer Aspire 1410, which own > ether card is broken. Lspci only find that very exo

Re: [389-users] sshd/pam_ldap not honoring passwordMustChange

2011-06-15 Thread Aaron Hagopian
I have not seen or used the passwordMustChange attribute before but I can tell you that if you set the passwordExpirationTime as following: passwordExpirationTime: 1970010100Z It should force the user to change their password on their next login. Keep in mind you will not get a prompt if us

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote: > I'm using the US English keyboard, and am so used to that, I don't want to > change the layout. I type a lot in German and French and I also use the US 104-key generic layout. In systemsettings/input devices/keyboard/layouts, you can select US- international with de

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Jon Ingason
2011-06-15 05:57, James McKenzie skrev: > On 6/14/11 10:20 AM, Jon Ingason wrote: >> 2011-06-13 04:26, James McKenzie skrev: >> And before MacOX, there was Lisa and before Lisa was Star ;-) >> >> But that was lng ago! >> > Lisa bombed, it was the first major failure for Apple. Never heard of >

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Sjoerd Mullender
On 2011-06-15 17:21, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 20:01 +0700, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote: >> Ideally I would like to get the combination ctrl+'+e to make é, and >> ctrl+shift+;+i to make ï (or ctrl+:+i to make ï). Anyone any thoughts? > > One way that used to be done, was by setting up a

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 06/15/2011 04:14 PM, Tim wrote: > Things have probably improved since I last tried (still on Fedora 9, > here). But my point was with a GUIfied system, one that's being touted > as the bees knees, and doesn't require geek/guru status to use, > everything should be do-able through the GUI, and t

Re: [389-users] saslauthd won't work

2011-06-15 Thread Rich Megginson
On 06/15/2011 09:45 AM, Gioachino Bartolotta wrote: > Hi, > > no, I don't wanna use saslauthd with kerberos, but just authenticate > users against ldap using tls or ssl ... > Tried to configure samba using ldaps --- and it didn't work. > > smbd[10001]: Failed to issue the StartTLS instruction: Op

Yum and security

2011-06-15 Thread CS DBA
Hi All; We're having discussions within our company about standardizing on a Linux server OS so we can also standardize our methods & approaches to configuration, security, etc based on what type of server it is (web, database, etc). That said, we'll need to be able to manage updates in a very

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/15/2011 05:49 AM, Tim wrote: > Hmm, well, you really*need* to be a geek to sustain Windows. What with > all the security flaws, and it continually shooting itself in the foot.. I follow an XP support group on Usenet, partially to see how the other half lives. Recently, there was a post a

Re: fedora 12 and no GUI

2011-06-15 Thread gary clark
The problem was lack of RAM I only has 256 increased to 1G and all is good. --- On Tue, 6/14/11, gary clark wrote: > From: gary clark > Subject: Re: fedora 12 and no GUI > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 5:11 PM > Hi, > > There is no gdm file or gdm-pa

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 06/14/2011 11:34 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >>> mount point and the desktop icon (on my F13/GNOME system). >>> The problem continued to exist when I went to F14, and is still there >>> now that I've switched to XFCE. My main complaint is

Re: Special Characters

2011-06-15 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 20:01 +0700, Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote: > Ideally I would like to get the combination ctrl+'+e to make é, and > ctrl+shift+;+i to make ï (or ctrl+:+i to make ï). Anyone any thoughts? One way that used to be done, was by setting up a "compose" key in the keyboard preference

Re: [389-users] About Kerberos and dirsrv

2011-06-15 Thread Gioachino Bartolotta
Well ... I am new on 389ds ... but I'll give it a try ... also to freeipa :D Regards 2011/6/15 : > Why don't you use freeipa. This is exactly what freeipa is for. > Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Juan Carlos Camargo Carrillo > Sender: 3

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-15 Thread Tim
Tim: >> And how about giving the devices a label? That's something that really >> sucks on all the Linux desktops I've tried. Bryn M. Reeves: > Well, I'm an old fashioned terminal user and I don't mind reading the man page > for mkfs.vfat to find out how to set the volume name of a file system (i

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