Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 22:02, Shane Dawalt wrote: > On 05/15/2011 12:45 AM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 21:28, Shane Dawalt wrote: >>> On 05/15/2011 12:18 AM, JD wrote: On 05/14/11 20:59, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > On 05/14/2011 11:42 PM, JD wrote: >>> Can you add a "special" static route between th

Re: Fedora 14: Sound, video on iMac 27 inch

Dear Folks, On 15/05/11 14:12 +1000, Nick Urbanik wrote: >Dear Folks, > >Okay, after much mucking about, I now have sound through the >headphones only, not yet through the speakers. > >I added this line to /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf: >options snd-hda-intel model=imac27 > >The clue came from seeing

Re: Networking problem

On 05/15/2011 12:45 AM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 21:28, Shane Dawalt wrote: >> On 05/15/2011 12:18 AM, JD wrote: >>> On 05/14/11 20:59, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 05/14/2011 11:42 PM, JD wrote: >> Can you add a "special" static route between the 2 specifying the router >> as the gatewa

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 21:28, Shane Dawalt wrote: > On 05/15/2011 12:18 AM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 20:59, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >>> On 05/14/2011 11:42 PM, JD wrote: > Can you add a "special" static route between the 2 specifying the router > as the gateway? > > As I recall, LAN traffic a

Re: USB wireless adaptor that supports Master Mode?

On 05/14/2011 02:51 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:33:37 -0700 > Derek Tattersall wrote: > >> Does anyone here know which USB wireless dongles or chipsets support >> operation in Access Point mode with hostapd? > I've just been going through this exercise, and have a USB wi-fi dong

Re: Networking problem

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Shane Dawalt wrote: > On 05/14/2011 10:59 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > > On 5/14/11 7:41 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > >> On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: > >>> On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: > On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: > > On 05/14/11 18:2

Re: Networking problem

On 05/15/2011 12:18 AM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 20:59, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 11:42 PM, JD wrote: Can you add a "special" static route between the 2 specifying the router as the gateway? As I recall, LAN traffic assumes that anything sent on the local int

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 21:01, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > On 05/14/2011 11:53 PM, JD wrote: >> It is model 3800HGV-B > O, Bad URL 192.168.1.254 is a non-route-able Internet address. > It only works on *your* network > :) That is weird!! When I copied and pa

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 20:59, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > On 05/14/2011 11:42 PM, JD wrote: >>> Can you add a "special" static route between the 2 specifying the router >>> as the gateway? >>> >>> As I recall, LAN traffic assumes that anything sent on the local >>> interface will get directly to anything else

Re: Fedora 14: Sound, video on iMac 27 inch

Dear Folks, Okay, after much mucking about, I now have sound through the headphones only, not yet through the speakers. I added this line to /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf: options snd-hda-intel model=imac27 The clue came from seeing this kernel patch: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/758902/ Nex

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 10:59 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 5/14/11 7:41 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: >>> On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: >>>

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 20:53, James McKenzie wrote: > On 5/14/11 8:42 PM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 19:41, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >>> On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: > On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 05/14/

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 11:59 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > I'm suggesting that you either have: > > 192.168.1.108 192.168.1.254 255.255.255.0 UG wlan0 Oops, the Genmask above should have been 255.255.255.255 ... my bad. > 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U wlan0 > 0.0.0.0

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 11:53 PM, JD wrote: > It is model 3800HGV-B O, Bad URL 192.168.1.254 is a non-route-able Internet address. It only works on *your* network -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@verizon.net cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.frami

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 11:42 PM, JD wrote: >> Can you add a "special" static route between the 2 specifying the router >> as the gateway? >> >> As I recall, LAN traffic assumes that anything sent on the local >> interface will get directly to anything else on the local network by >> just sending it. I'm no

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 19:09, g wrote: > On 05/15/2011 12:55 AM, JD wrote: > <> > >> Perhaps it is an unpublished feature. >> >> Gues it is time to call the that horrible customer service bureaucracy! > you do not mention which model, therefore a search from here may help; > > http://support.2wire.com/ind

Re: Networking problem

On 5/14/11 8:42 PM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 19:41, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: >>> On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: >>> I also brought t

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 19:59, James McKenzie wrote: > On 5/14/11 7:41 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: >>> On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: >>> I al

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 19:41, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: >>> On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: >> I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried t

Re: Thunderbird address book recovery(Solved)

On 05/14/2011 10:50 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: >> >> No, how do I recover my address information from the backup file? > I recovered my abook.mab file from last nights backup. All is > apparently will now. I wonder what happened to cause the file to be > corrupted. I didn't add/delete anything t

Re: Networking problem

On 5/14/11 7:41 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: >>> On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: >> I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried

Re: Thunderbird address book recovery(Solved)

On 05/14/2011 10:32 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > Hey Y'all, > > Thunderbird 3.1.10 > > Linux mushroom.patch 2.6.35.12-90.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Fri Apr 22 > 16:08:03 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > When I started Thunderbird tonight it reported that my abook.mab file > was corrupted and that it w

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 10:09 PM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: >> On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: >>> On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: > I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried to ping Fedora > from Powerbook. No go!! Th

Thunderbird address book recovery

Hey Y'all, Thunderbird 3.1.10 Linux mushroom.patch 2.6.35.12-90.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Fri Apr 22 16:08:03 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux When I started Thunderbird tonight it reported that my abook.mab file was corrupted and that it was making a backup copy. That it did. No, how do I recov

Re: Networking problem

On 05/15/2011 12:55 AM, JD wrote: <> > Perhaps it is an unpublished feature. > > Gues it is time to call the that horrible customer service bureaucracy! you do not mention which model, therefore a search from here may help; http://support.2wire.com/index.php if a 2701; http://support.2wi

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 18:45, James McKenzie wrote: > On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried to ping Fedora from Powerbook. No go!! >>> That means that it's not a firewall issue.

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 09:45 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried to ping Fedora from Powerbook. No go!! >>> That means that it's not a firewall iss

Re: F14 install freezes due to disk problems

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/14/2011 01:18 PM, Lewis NH2 wrote: > > Do you have any idea where to look at or what I can do? > > Try the Fedora full install DVD. If your computer doesn't have a DVD > drive download the CD set. (I think it fits on 6 CDs now, but you'll

Re: Networking problem

On 5/14/11 6:40 PM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: >>> I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried to ping Fedora >>> from Powerbook. No go!! >> That means that it's not a firewall issue. Check your router config to >> see if it's set t

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 18:24, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: >> I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried to ping Fedora >> from Powerbook. No go!! > That means that it's not a firewall issue. Check your router config to > see if it's set to allow pings inside the LAN. Thanx!

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 01:27 PM, JD wrote: > I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried to ping Fedora > from Powerbook. No go!! That means that it's not a firewall issue. Check your router config to see if it's set to allow pings inside the LAN. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject

Re: F14 install freezes due to disk problems

On 05/14/2011 01:18 PM, Lewis NH2 wrote: > Do you have any idea where to look at or what I can do? Try the Fedora full install DVD. If your computer doesn't have a DVD drive download the CD set. (I think it fits on 6 CDs now, but you'll probably not need all of them.) Not only is Anaconda (th

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 16:46, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 05/14/2011 07:10 PM, Rick Sewill wrote: >> On Saturday, May 14, 2011 03:27:53 PM JD wrote: >> This setup sounds like wifi bridge mode as opposed to wifi ad-hoc mode. >> >> Question: in wifi bridging, does the packet from the Powerbook, >> which is dest

Re: Comparison of Desktop Environments in F15?

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 7:02 AM, mike cloaked wrote: > Does anyone know of a good comparison source for the functionality and > usability of the various desktop environments that will be released in > f15? I think you're asking more than one or two questions here. ;-) > i.e. the main comparison

Re: Networking problem

Dear JD, On 14/05/11 06:36 -0700, JD wrote: >On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection >on specific ports from some machines on the LAN. > >However, for one machine I made a general rule to accept all connections: > >-A INPUT -s 192.168.1.60 -j ACCEPT The -A means *appen

Re: Networking problem

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM, JD wrote: > > The eth0 is not active. It is configured with a static IP, but it is > disconnected. > > Ditto on the PowerBook machine. It is configured with a static IP > but is is disconnected, so the ether links on both machines is down. > Only the wireless is ac

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 07:10 PM, Rick Sewill wrote: > On Saturday, May 14, 2011 03:27:53 PM JD wrote: > This setup sounds like wifi bridge mode as opposed to wifi ad-hoc mode. > > Question: in wifi bridging, does the packet from the Powerbook, > which is destined for the Fedora, go through the gateway, >

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 16:10, Rick Sewill wrote: > On Saturday, May 14, 2011 03:27:53 PM JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 12:55, Rick Sewill wrote: >>> On Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:46:51 AM JD wrote: On 05/14/11 09:17, Rick Sewill wrote: > On Saturday, May 14, 2011 09:27:55 AM JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 08

Re: Networking problem

On Saturday, May 14, 2011 03:27:53 PM JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 12:55, Rick Sewill wrote: > > On Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:46:51 AM JD wrote: > >> On 05/14/11 09:17, Rick Sewill wrote: > >>> On Saturday, May 14, 2011 09:27:55 AM JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 08:48, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > > On 0

Re: pings with noise-apology

On 14May2011 21:44, Tim wrote: | On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 11:52 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: | > So, this command: | > echo ^G | > also produces no noise? Because that's all ping is goging to be doing. | > | > That ^G is meant to be a literal ctrl-G, possibly typed as ctrl-v | > then ctrl-g. |

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 04:27 PM, JD wrote: ded the rule > -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT > and retried. > Same thing. > both machines can ping the GW, and they can ping a third machine I have > on the LAN. > But they cannot ping each other. > I also brought the fedora firewall down, and retried to pi

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 12:55, Rick Sewill wrote: > On Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:46:51 AM JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 09:17, Rick Sewill wrote: >>> On Saturday, May 14, 2011 09:27:55 AM JD wrote: On 05/14/11 08:48, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > On 05/14/2011 09:36 AM, JD wrote: >> On my F14, I am running

Comparison of Desktop Environments in F15?

Does anyone know of a good comparison source for the functionality and usability of the various desktop environments that will be released in f15? i.e. the main comparison between Gnome3, KDE4, LXDE and XFCE as they work in f15. A nice table of which standard programmes are set up to do things li

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 12:55, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 05/14/2011 02:13 PM, JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 12:36, Genes MailLists wrote: >>> On 05/14/2011 11:46 AM, JD wrote: >>> .. >>> wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:34:56:00:03:43 inet6 addr: fe80::234:56ff:fe00:343/64 Scope:Lin

Comparison of Desktop Environments for F15?

Does anyone know of a good comparison source for the functionality and usability of the various desktop environments that will be released in f15? i.e. the main comparison between Gnome3, KDE4, LXDE and XFCE as they work in f15. A nice table of which standard programmes are set up to do things li

Re: USB wireless adaptor that supports Master Mode?

On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:33:37 -0700 Derek Tattersall wrote: > Does anyone here know which USB wireless dongles or chipsets support > operation in Access Point mode with hostapd? I've just been going through this exercise, and have a USB wi-fi dongle that sorta kinda almost works with the compat-w

USB wireless adaptor that supports Master Mode?

Does anyone here know which USB wireless dongles or chipsets support operation in Access Point mode with hostapd? I would like to make my laptop into a portable access point, and the built in wireless doesn't support Access Point mode. Thanks in advance. Derek Tattersall -- users mailing list

F14 install freezes due to disk problems

Good Evening, I am trying to install F14 on my box... Without any success so far. The problem: when it comes to write the partitioning scheme to the disk, the system freezes. This occurs with the following CD images: - Fedora 14 LXDE live image. Installation using "Install to Disk" script. - Fedo

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 02:13 PM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 12:36, Genes MailLists wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 11:46 AM, JD wrote: >>> >> >> .. >> >>> wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:34:56:00:03:43 >>> inet6 addr: fe80::234:56ff:fe00:343/64 Scope:Link >>> wlan0:0 Link encap:Ethernet HWadd

Re: Networking problem

On Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:46:51 AM JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 09:17, Rick Sewill wrote: > > On Saturday, May 14, 2011 09:27:55 AM JD wrote: > >> On 05/14/11 08:48, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > >>> On 05/14/2011 09:36 AM, JD wrote: > On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connect

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 11:08 AM, JD wrote: > Thank you Dale. > I can tell you that the counts do not change!! > > I will seek the help of a friend. Before you do you might consider going to the Fedora Forum at http://www.fedorafourm.org and asking in the Security forum. This will give you input from Fed

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 12:36, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 05/14/2011 11:46 AM, JD wrote: > >> On Fedora Machine: >> # /bin/netstat -rn >> Kernel IP routing table >> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt >> Iface >> 10.0.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 11:49, Dale Dellutri wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:36 AM, JD wrote: >> On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on >> specific ports from some machines on the LAN. >> >> However, for one machine I made a general rule to accept all connections: >> >> -A I

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 11:46 AM, JD wrote: > On Fedora Machine: > # /bin/netstat -rn > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt > Iface > 10.0.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 > eth0 > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0

Re: Networking problem

On Sat, 14 May 2011 13:49:34 -0500, DD wrote: > 2. iptables problems can be difficult to debug without seeing all the rules, > since the order of the rules is so important. I know you are worried about > security, but you'll need to show them to someone you trust if you can't > solve tis yourself

Re: Networking problem

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:36 AM, JD wrote: > On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on > specific ports from some machines on the LAN. > > However, for one machine I made a general rule to accept all connections: > > -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.60 -j ACCEPT > > After restart

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 09:34, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 05/14/2011 10:49 AM, JD wrote: > >> -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT >> -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT >> >> And no, I cannot ssh even though on the Fedora machine sshd is running on >> both my Fedora and the machine at 192.168.1.60

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 09:17, Rick Sewill wrote: > On Saturday, May 14, 2011 09:27:55 AM JD wrote: >> On 05/14/11 08:48, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: >>> On 05/14/2011 09:36 AM, JD wrote: On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on specific ports from some machines on the LAN.

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 10:49 AM, JD wrote: > > -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > -A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT > > And no, I cannot ssh even though on the Fedora machine sshd is running on > both my Fedora and the machine at 192.168.1.60 > > In that case you need to publish all

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 12:17 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > > mum_icmp_type=${#icmp_types[@]} > Typo - above should obviously be: num_icmp_type -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinf

Re: Networking problem

On Saturday, May 14, 2011 09:27:55 AM JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 08:48, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > > On 05/14/2011 09:36 AM, JD wrote: > >> On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on > >> specific ports from some machines on the LAN. > >> > >> However, for one machine I mad

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 10:27 AM, JD wrote: > On 05/14/11 08:48, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: >> On 05/14/2011 09:36 AM, JD wrote: >>> On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on >>> specific ports from some machines on the LAN. >>> >>> However, for one machine I made a general rule to

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 08:48, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > On 05/14/2011 09:36 AM, JD wrote: >> On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on >> specific ports from some machines on the LAN. >> >> However, for one machine I made a general rule to accept all connections: >> >> -A INPUT -s

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/11 08:16, Pittigher, Raymond - ES wrote: > Where in the chain did you put the rule? > - > > From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > [users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of JD [jd1...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:36 AM > To: Community support for Fedora us

Re: Networking problem

On 05/14/2011 09:36 AM, JD wrote: > On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on > specific ports from some machines on the LAN. > > However, for one machine I made a general rule to accept all connections: > > -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.60 -j ACCEPT > > After restarting the fi

RE: Networking problem

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Networking problem

On my F14, I am running a firewall that accepts specific connection on specific ports from some machines on the LAN. However, for one machine I made a general rule to accept all connections: -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.60 -j ACCEPT After restarting the firewall, I still am unable to ping that machin

Re: pings with noise-apology

On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 11:52 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 13May2011 08:17, Aaron Konstam wrote: > | On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 21:04 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > | > As root, "modprobe pcspkr" > | > > | I need to apologize. The above suggestion does work. But not on my > | laptop. It works on m

Re: pings with noise-apology

On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 11:52 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: > So, this command: > > echo ^G > > also produces no noise? Because that's all ping is goging to be doing. > > That ^G is meant to be a literal ctrl-G, possibly typed as ctrl-v > then ctrl-g. All you have to do to test the terminal

Sound, video on iMac 27 inch

Dear Folks, My wife and son both have an iMac 27 inch running Fedora 14. I have two goals: 1. Get sound working (instead of pulseaudio over the network) 2. Get free software radeon driver working, understanding how to drive the monitor. Currently using the proprietary driver. I am especiall