Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread JB
Genes MailLists sapience.com> writes: > ... > Agreed - I find it best to simply ignore or perma block certain > things/individuals ... even your current subject understates the > OT'icness > ... Then you miss a lot; btw, every body is guilty of delivering some of that fun occasionally. US re

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-22 Thread Frode
Frode skrev: > I wonder if the OP's problem could be caused by this, excerpt from OOo > Calc help: > Iterative references ...In the menu: Tools - Options - OOo Calc - Calculate > Frode Petersen -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: h

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-22 Thread Frode
I wonder if the OP's problem could be caused by this, excerpt from OOo Calc help: " Iterative references In this section you can delimit the number of approximation steps carried out during iterative calculations. In addition, you can specify the degree of precision of the answer. Iterations Sp

Re: Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread Claude Jones
On Tuesday, March 22, 2011, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I've installed "virtualbox" on this F-14 computer and > it appears to be working, however now I need a copy of Windows > to run in it in order to solve my other problem. I have > several copies of WindowsXP Pro including the one that came > w

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 07:18 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Wolfe was saying that the first response was begging the question, so > he'd try again to get the information he wanted by rephrasing his > question. And I'm used to seeing "begging the question" in a different context. Someone makes some rem

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 08:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Even more OT: since we're talking about English grammar and > orthography, there are certain errors that tend to crop up on this > list (and on others of course), to wit: > > 1) This looks like an error? > 2) How do I do this. That

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 09:55 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > I was totally unaware of those forums. (You mean > http://gnomesupport.org/forums/, right?) Better to regard those as > self-help forums, rather than expecting/demanding developer support Yes. As I said, they seem to be "write only," as it

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-22 Thread Genes MailLists
On 03/22/2011 07:08 PM, les wrote: > > Typically I just do the calculations on a background sheet, and only > show the top sheet. > > I thought the OP knew all this - and was mentioning an excel shortcut 'trick' which allows you to enter a number (or a bunch) and multiply it (them) by the sa

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Genes MailLists
On 03/22/2011 05:45 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > >> After all as the subject indicates it is: [WAYYY OT] > > Yeah - big waste of bandwidth - but only my opinion - we have lots to > deal with to sort out real Fedora issues after all! > Agre

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-22 Thread les
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 22:03 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:47 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: > > Not real clear on what you are trying to do. > > Basically what I am messing with, is the March Madness bracket office > pool we have at work. I take the number of wins for

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > After all as the subject indicates it is: [WAYYY OT] Yeah - big waste of bandwidth - but only my opinion - we have lots to deal with to sort out real Fedora issues after all! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 14:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 21:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > 1) Does this look like an error? > > > 2) How do I do this? > > > > When viewed as single sentences what you've said makes sense. > > > > However, when viewed as part of a l

Re: Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread compdoc
>My problem is >that the only way I can get Windows to run is to plug it into >the first slot, then Windows boots but I never see grub. By first slot I guess you sata port? It's been a while since I've noticed Windows caring about device order. I have seen windows try to change its drive letter wh

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:03 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:47:16 + > mike cloaked wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > > wrote: > > > > > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > > > > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. >

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 20:47 +, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. > > 2) ¿Vamos a comer? -- Are we going to eat? > > > > In fact I know from obser

Re: Having trouble connecting to google and youtube

2011-03-22 Thread JB
JD gmail.com> writes: > > Using firefox-3.6.15-1.fc13.i686 > I can connect to just about any site except > google and youtube. > I checked my firewall - I am not blocking any > outgoing traffic, and certainly not blocking > traffic specifically from either google or youtube. > > What linux tool

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:47:16 + mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. > > 2) ¿Vamos a comer? -- Are we going to eat? > > > > In fact I know from obs

Re: Having trouble connecting to google and youtube

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Morgan
On Mar 22, 2011 4:28 PM, "JD" wrote: > > Using firefox-3.6.15-1.fc13.i686 > I can connect to just about any site except > google and youtube. > I checked my firewall - I am not blocking any > outgoing traffic, and certainly not blocking > traffic specifically from either google or youtube. > > Wha

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm well aware of that. Spanish is a case in point: > > 1) Vamos a comer. -- Let's eat. > 2) ¿Vamos a comer? -- Are we going to eat? > > In fact I know from observation that some question forms can be hard for > non-native speakers to

Re: [389-users] problem creating replica on supplier

2011-03-22 Thread Rich Megginson
On 03/22/2011 09:56 AM, Jon Detert wrote: > I'm trying to setup a supplier for single-master replication. > > I'm actually using Centos Directory Server v8.1 (which is probably > equivalent to something like 389 dir serv v 1.2.4). > > I created the changelog entry successfully. > > The next step, a

Re: [389-users] ldapsearch to get users with expired password

2011-03-22 Thread Rich Megginson
On 03/16/2011 06:45 AM, Juan Asensio Sánchez wrote: > Hi > > Thanks for the answer, but my users don't have the attribute > passwordexpirationtime, because this attribute is not generated until > the user login after the activation of the account/password policies. > > Reading, I have seen that whe

Having trouble connecting to google and youtube

2011-03-22 Thread JD
Using firefox-3.6.15-1.fc13.i686 I can connect to just about any site except google and youtube. I checked my firewall - I am not blocking any outgoing traffic, and certainly not blocking traffic specifically from either google or youtube. What linux tool is there that will help me diagnose the pr

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 14:52 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > > On 03/22/2011 01:00 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:25 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > >> On 03/22/2011 12:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >>> --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > >>> > I use Virtua

Re: CHECKSUM issue

2011-03-22 Thread Kevin Martin
On 03/22/2011 02:29 PM, jim wrote: > I have been using Fedora 14 since its release, 32 bit version. I am > building a 64 bit HTPC that doesn't have a DVD/CD drive, so I will be > using a Flash for boot and download. I see recommendations for using > DVD-iso and others saying use the Live-iso,

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Kevin Martin
On 03/22/2011 01:00 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:25 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: >> On 03/22/2011 12:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: >>> --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: >>> I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores processors). But

Re: [389-users] Error in instaling Admin-Console

2011-03-22 Thread Rich Megginson
On 03/22/2011 03:44 AM, Kamal Batra wrote: Hi, Please help me in installing the admin-console, while trying so , I am getting following error:- Are you ready to set up your servers? [yes]: Creating directory server . . . Your new DS instance 'psync' was successfully created. Creating the

CHECKSUM issue

2011-03-22 Thread jim
I have been using Fedora 14 since its release, 32 bit version. I am building a 64 bit HTPC that doesn't have a DVD/CD drive, so I will be using a Flash for boot and download. I see recommendations for using DVD-iso and others saying use the Live-iso, so I downloaded both. In trying to confirm t

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 21:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > 1) Does this look like an error? > > 2) How do I do this? > > When viewed as single sentences what you've said makes sense. > > However, when viewed as part of a larger piece of work the sentence > "This looks like an error?" may indeed be

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 14:36 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > 1) Does this look like an error? > > 2) How do I do this? > > Just a small comment wrt. error 1 --- I was actually surprised to find > out that > in some languages the statement and the question have exactly the same > form, > the onl

Re: (OT) Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:51 +, Alan Cox wrote: > As far as the British coming - if you want to hear well formed properly > used examples of English grammar including forms the Brits get wrong all > the time - try India. > > Alan > [1] Arguably English is the same - ask anyone who has met Glas

Re: LXDM themes?

2011-03-22 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Dienstag, den 22.03.2011, 10:42 -0600 schrieb Jake Peavy: > hey all, > > I recently installed the LXDE spin of F14 and the login screen is > hideous. I've done a bunch of Googling but haven't found much > constructive on other themes other than Industrial. > > I don't know much about LXDM, ca

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:25 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > > On 03/22/2011 12:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > > > >> I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores > >> processors). > >> But it seems like only one or two processors are used. How >

(OT) Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Alan Cox
> I imagine that during the unifications of Germany and Italy Hardly. Italian is a maze of semi compatible languages joined by a sort of subset suitable for use wherever[1]. German dialects also vary widely. I'm not sure if it is still going but there was even a KDE project to support some German

Re: LXDM themes?

2011-03-22 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Jake Peavy wrote: > hey all, > > I recently installed the LXDE spin of F14 and the login screen is hideous. > I've done a bunch of Googling but haven't found much constructive on other > themes other than Industrial. > > I don't know much about LXDM, can someone p

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Kevin Martin
On 03/22/2011 12:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > >> I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores >> processors). >> But it seems like only one or two processors are used. How >> can I >> configure VirtualBox and/or my virtual machine to allow it

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Kevin Martin
On 03/22/2011 11:39 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: >> On 03/22/2011 08:57 AM, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: >> I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores processors). >> But it seems like only one or two processors are used. How can I >> configure VirtualBox and/or my virtual machine to allow it to u

Re: need some help

2011-03-22 Thread JB
rohit bishnoi gmail.com> writes: > > gud evening everybody on the list.i have fedora 14 installed on my system. and i want to install vlc player on my system..when i try to install vlc using yum command. it generates some dependencies error and quit. > plz help me how to overcome this problem.th

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Tue, 3/22/11, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores > processors). > But it seems like only one or two processors are used. How > can I > configure VirtualBox and/or my virtual machine to allow it > to use all > processors ? Does this not work: Star

Re: Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 22/03/11 12:18, compdoc wrote: >> Windows is very fussy about the hardware. If the hardware changes from >> when it was originally installed, it refuses to run. This is >> (supposedly) to prevent unauthorized copies. So it is unlikely you will >> be able to get the copy on disk to run. > > It's

need some help

2011-03-22 Thread rohit bishnoi
gud evening everybody on the list. i have fedora 14 installed on my system. and i want to install *vlc player*on my system.. when i try to install vlc using yum command. it generates some dependencies error and quit. plz help me how to overcome this problem. thnks in advance -- users mailing lis

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 03/22/2011 12:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > That, alas, all depends on the devs and their attitude. I use the Pan > newsreader. The dev is a member of the support mailing list and listens > to the concerns of the users. Sometimes it's not practical for him to > change something, but when that happ

LXDM themes?

2011-03-22 Thread Jake Peavy
hey all, I recently installed the LXDE spin of F14 and the login screen is hideous. I've done a bunch of Googling but haven't found much constructive on other themes other than Industrial. I don't know much about LXDM, can someone point me in the right direction? I just want a very basic login sc

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Genes MailLists
> On 03/22/2011 08:57 AM, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores processors). > But it seems like only one or two processors are used. How can I > configure VirtualBox and/or my virtual machine to allow it to use all > processors ? Before you start running th

Re: Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: >        I've installed "virtualbox" on this F-14 computer and it appears >        to be working, however now I need a copy of Windows to run in it >        in order to solve my other problem. I have several copies of >        WindowsXP Pro inclu

RE: Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread compdoc
> Windows is very fussy about the hardware. If the hardware changes from >when it was originally installed, it refuses to run. This is >(supposedly) to prevent unauthorized copies. So it is unlikely you will >be able to get the copy on disk to run. It's true that when you make major changes to th

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 09:04 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > I mean this as a helpful guide to gaining credibility with devs, rather > than as any sort of attack... That, alas, all depends on the devs and their attitude. I use the Pan newsreader. The dev is a member of the support mailing list and

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 03/22/2011 11:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > From reading around there over the last several years, I've > gotten the very strong impression that the devs listen to nobody except > each other. I may, of course, be wrong, but that's how it looks to me. Everyone has an opinion on how software should

Re: VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 08:57 AM, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores processors). > But it seems like only one or two processors are used. How can I > configure VirtualBox and/or my virtual machine to allow it to use all > processors ? I'm no expert on such things, bu

VirtualBox multi cpu

2011-03-22 Thread Luc MAIGNAN
Hi, I use VirtualBox on a RHEL5 with 24 cores (6 x4-cores processors). But it seems like only one or two processors are used. How can I configure VirtualBox and/or my virtual machine to allow it to use all processors ? Best regards Luc RHCE -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:59 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > The details go on and on but my question is would I have to buy > a copy of Windows to use virtualbox or is there a way to make it > use the original copy on the disk containing WindowsXP that came > with this

[389-users] problem creating replica on supplier

2011-03-22 Thread Jon Detert
I'm trying to setup a supplier for single-master replication. I'm actually using Centos Directory Server v8.1 (which is probably equivalent to something like 389 dir serv v 1.2.4). I created the changelog entry successfully. The next step, according to this doc: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-U

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 08:13 AM, Alan Evans wrote: > And you seem to be missing the point that some others are talking > about. Some admin tasks are performed by some admins extremely > frequently. Yes. On production boxes where the rules and protocols are different. I'm talking about *home boxes* where

Re: Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread Steven Stern
On 03/22/2011 09:59 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I've installed "virtualbox" on this F-14 computer and it appears > to be working, however now I need a copy of Windows to run in it > in order to solve my other problem. I have several copies of > WindowsXP Pro including t

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 08:07 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > Oh please! The devs obviously have an ideas of what they'd like to do, > and won't bend to the wind every time someone complains. There's a help forum at gnome.org. For the most part, it's a "write only" forum because almost nobody ever b

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Alan Evans
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > You seem to be missing the point that I'm talking about a home box where > you're the only person using it.  You set it up, you set the root > password and I see no reason not to use it (with su) for admin tasks. > Using sudo when you have the root

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/22/2011 10:36 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > I was actually surprised to find out that > in some languages the statement and the question have exactly the same form, > the only difference being the question mark vs. period at the end of the > sentence. You may also be interested to know tha

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/22/2011 10:38 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > That may be true of English, but is it true of all languages? > The Academie Francaise tries to tell the world what is correct in French; > I don't know how many people listen to them. I can assure you that the French Canadians don't listen to them..

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 03/22/2011 10:31 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > The problem I'm commenting about is the Gnome dev's apparent attitude > that complaints from users can be ignored because their opinions are *by > definition* not worth listening to. A good software author listens to > the users and is willing to make ch

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/22/2011 07:42 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> I'm officially going with oblivious. > > See if I care.  I see that particular error quite often, but almost > never point it out.  In your case, however, you were almost literally > begging me to rub

Virtual Box & Windows -

2011-03-22 Thread Bob Goodwin
I've installed "virtualbox" on this F-14 computer and it appears to be working, however now I need a copy of Windows to run in it in order to solve my other problem. I have several copies of WindowsXP Pro including the one that came with this computer but ref

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Andrew Haley
On 03/22/2011 02:08 PM, JB wrote: > Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes: > >> ... > > The British are coming, the British are coming ... This isn't really a Britishism, y'know. For sheer grammatical pedantry and punctiliousness you're unlikely to find anything to beat the New Yorker with its blizz

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 07:42 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > I'm officially going with oblivious. See if I care. I see that particular error quite often, but almost never point it out. In your case, however, you were almost literally begging me to rub your nose in it, so I did. Now you object. You might c

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy writes: Timothy> Colin Paul Adams wrote: >> There's no such thing as technical correctness when it comes to >> (human) languages. Timothy> That may be true of English, but is it true of all Timothy> languages? The Academie Francaise tries to

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > On 03/22/2011 02:08 PM, JB wrote: >> Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes: >> >>> ... >> >> The British are coming, the British are coming ... > > Accounts have it that the phrase was in fact "The Regulars are coming out" but > we shouldn't allo

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/22/2011 06:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> Nevertheless, you are oblivious to or intentionally ignoring the >> point. Just because something is a pet peeve of yours doesn't make it >> OK to be that rude to someone who has done nothing to you o

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 03/22/2011 02:08 PM, JB wrote: > Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes: > >> ... > > The British are coming, the British are coming ... Accounts have it that the phrase was in fact "The Regulars are coming out" but we shouldn't allow history to get in the way of an apt quotation. ;) Regards, Bryn

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Timothy Murphy
Colin Paul Adams wrote: > There's no such thing as technical correctness when it comes to (human) > languages. That may be true of English, but is it true of all languages? The Academie Francaise tries to tell the world what is correct in French; I don't know how many people listen to them. I ima

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 06:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > Nevertheless, you are oblivious to or intentionally ignoring the > point. Just because something is a pet peeve of yours doesn't make it > OK to be that rude to someone who has done nothing to you or call them > an idiot. I was pointing out that you ma

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 13:17:59 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 23:13 +1030, Tim wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > > > Or, if you want a less wordy answer: > > > > The

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 05:55 AM, Tim wrote: > If software authors weren't so arrogant that they reckon they > know more than someone else, they wouldn't be writing their program in > the first place... ;-) The problem I'm commenting about is the Gnome dev's apparent attitude that complaints from users ca

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday 22 March 2011 12:41:29 Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > "That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a > > basis?" > > > > is correct usage, while > > > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > >

Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]

2011-03-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 20:55 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 21:43 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > > On 03/21/2011 09:26 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > > > Got a sort of OT question... > > > > > > In libreoffice using spreadsheet, I want to input a number in a cell and > > > have

Re: Brasero to create video DVD?

2011-03-22 Thread Alex
Hi, > I don't know about the current version, but the old version has this in > its manual: > ... >            In order to use all the potential of the video project, you >            need to install all GStreamer's plugins, ffmpeg, vcdimager >            and dvdauthor. > > So, I'd guess you need

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 03:55 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > Anyway Humpty Dumpty had it right: If you really believe that, there's not only no point in discussing this with you, there's no way we can have a meaningful discussion of anything because there's no way for anybody to know what you think your words mea

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 03:34 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > If I assume that the "I'll try again." sentence in the middle is > irrelevant in this context, the only difference I see is comma vs. period. > > So, all in all, are you actually complaining about punctuation usage? You assume incorrectly. Wolfe wa

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2011 12:03 AM, jdow wrote: > Now, you do need to use the root password at least once in order to > edit the sudo file. However, "you" do not need to be the one to make > that setting for a machine. Somebody needs it, once. From that point > on you can cheat with sudo depending on how well

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread JB
Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes: > ... The British are coming, the British are coming ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mai

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-22 Thread Rex Dieter
GeeKer Wang wrote: > I have install redhat-rpm-config, and I didn't see separate pkg. strange. > Separating debuginfo will make it run much faster? runtime speed is unaffected -- Rex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://a

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/22/2011 09:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Even more OT: since we're talking about English grammar and orthography, > there are certain errors that tend to crop up on this list (and on > others of course), to wit: > > 1) This looks like an error? > 2) How do I do this. > > Sadly, they are

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/21/2011 06:06 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote: >>> >  On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: >>  Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one >>  cares if

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:25:27 +1030 Tim wrote: > Well, unless you write all your own programs, it's the same for all > software. If software authors weren't so arrogant that they reckon they > know more than someone else, they wouldn't be writing their program in > the first place... ;-) Yea, bu

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-22 Thread GeeKer Wang
I have install redhat-rpm-config, and I didn't see separate pkg. Separating debuginfo will make it run much faster? On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > GeeKer Wang wrote: > > > Hi, guys > > I tried to compile OpenSceneGraph-2.8.3-3.fc14.rpm software, and got > a > > low eff

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Andrew Haley
On 03/22/2011 11:35 AM, Alan Cox wrote: >>> You can find someone on the internet who will believe anything is >>> incorrect. >> >> Sure, but that's rather beside the point. We're not talking about the >> opinion of J.Random Nutter here, but about something that Fowler's >> Modern English Usage, al

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-22 Thread GeeKer Wang
Of course I have Inventor-2.1.5-39.fc14 OpenThreads-2.8.3-3.fc14 OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.8.3-3.fc14 OpenSceneGraph-2.8.3-3.fc14 On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:13 AM, JD wrote: > On 03/20/2011 03:57 AM, GeeKer Wang wrote: > > So, there must be other reasons. > > > > My version gets a XLIB problem. When

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-22 Thread GeeKer Wang
I believe there must be something related to the compiling procesure. Because two versions works different on the same platform. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:04 AM, JD wrote: > On 03/20/2011 03:57 AM, GeeKer Wang wrote: > > So, there must be other reasons. > > > > My version gets a XLIB problem. Wh

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 23:13 +1030, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > > Or, if you want a less wordy answer: > > The words "That begs the question" are not part of the question that's > bei

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:04:58 -0500 suvayu ali wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Tom H wrote: > > Check your install with "pkaction --verbose --action-id > > org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install". > > > > On F12 at launch, you got: > > > > implicit any: no > > implicit inactive: no

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
Rahul Sundaram: >> * Not upgrade and see if a future revision is more palatable to you Joe Zeff: > In other words, "We're the devs. We know what's right for Gnome and you > mere users don't." Well, unless you write all your own programs, it's the same for all software. If software authors wer

Re: Automatic Backup when Drive Plugged In

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 17:39 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote: > I was browsing the website of a computer supplier and saw an ad for an > HP "Simple Save" external disk drive, which automatically initiates a > hard disk backup (on Windows) when the disk is plugged into a USB > port. And how do you plug the

Re: Brasero to create video DVD?

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 00:14 -0400, Alex wrote: > you can use brasero to create an ISO from an AVI that can then be > played on a standard DVD player. "Create a video DVD", then burn the > resulting ISO to a DVD. > > At least that's the way it's supposed to work, but it frequently > crashes while

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tim said: > On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 12:18 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > I disliked the panel-on-top with gnome-shell; the first thing I always > > do under older GNOME is move the top panel to the right and set the > > bottom panel to auto-hide. Wtih 16x{9,10} monitors, vertical s

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" Or, if you want a less wordy answer: The words "That begs the question" are not part of the question that's being asked (why do they think it has a basis?). The question ha

Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > "That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a > basis?" > > is correct usage, while > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > is incorrect. If I assume that the "I'll try again." senten

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 12:18 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > I disliked the panel-on-top with gnome-shell; the first thing I always > do under older GNOME is move the top panel to the right and set the > bottom panel to auto-hide. Wtih 16x{9,10} monitors, vertical screen > space is the premium. I thin

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-22 Thread Tim
Joe Zeff: >> I found myself, more and more, finding things obvious that nobody >> else understood or knew, simply because none of the other techs had >> anywhere near my experience. Christopher A. Williams: > ...And for those of us on the list who have been running Linux pretty > much exclusively

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Alan Cox
> > You can find someone on the internet who will believe anything is > > incorrect. > > Sure, but that's rather beside the point. We're not talking about the > opinion of J.Random Nutter here, but about something that Fowler's > Modern English Usage, also published by Oxford, warns about. And..

Re: Brasero to create video DVD?

2011-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 00:14 -0400, Alex wrote: > Patrick, > > >> Yes, that's my favorite, but it's too complex for my father-in-law. I > >> told him to stick with brasero, since that's what's included with > >> fedora so should at least be functional for what it says it can do, > >> and I'll try t

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread Andrew Haley
On 22/03/11 10:55, Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:19:24 + > Andrew Haley wrote: > >> On 22/03/11 09:54, Colin Paul Adams wrote: "Andrew" == Andrew Haley writes: >>> >>> Andrew> On 21/03/11 21:19, Vaclav Mocek wrote: >>> >> >>> Andrew> Oxford Advanced Learners

Re: Eclipse problem with OpenJDK [SOLVED]

2011-03-22 Thread Maseood Raisi
On 3/19/2011 12:39 AM, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > On 03/18/11 13:47, Maseood Raisi wrote: >> On 3/18/2011 11:19 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote: >>> On 03/18/11 10:20, Maseood Raisi wrote: Hi everybody I want to use eclipse-Helios (CPP version) by using fedora 14 but the system reports a crash

Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread

2011-03-22 Thread suvayu ali
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Tom H wrote: > Check your install with "pkaction --verbose --action-id > org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install". > > On F12 at launch, you got: > > implicit any: no > implicit inactive: no > implicit active: yes > > so anyone logged in at the console could ins

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