Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Robert Coli
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Anuj Wadehra wrote: > *"Unfortunately how to get firm agreement on what criteria should be used > to judge "Production Ready" is unclear."* > Only you know how comfortable you are with the various types of risk that are involved in a particular version choice giv

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Yes. I am planning to raise one JIRA for that. Thanks for the suggestion. Anuj On Friday, 8 January 2016 11:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote: On 01/08/2016 11:27 AM, Jonathan Haddad wrote: > Why wouldn't you keep a bug free version of something in production?  If > I found a version of *any

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Because the day some unforeseen critical bug pops up in future, you won't find any support from the community as the version is already EOL. ThanksAnuj On Friday, 8 January 2016 10:57 PM, Jonathan Haddad wrote: Why wouldn't you keep a bug free version of something in production?  If

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Thanks Jack !! "Unfortunately how to get firm agreement  on what criteria should be used to judge "Production Ready" is unclear." The most reliable way of determining production ready is to go to Apache Cassandra website. At any point of time, it clearly states the most stable/production ready v

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Jeff Jirsa
at automating upgrades” From: Anuj Wadehra Reply-To: "user@cassandra.apache.org", Anuj Wadehra Date: Friday, January 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM To: "user@cassandra.apache.org" Subject: Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy Thanks Janne !! "If you wish to have a specifi

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Michael Shuler
On 01/08/2016 11:27 AM, Jonathan Haddad wrote: > Why wouldn't you keep a bug free version of something in production? If > I found a version of *anything* that was bug free I don't think I'd ever > upgrade again. There are still 0.7 users. :) To OP, if you want to ask the project for some sort

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Thanks Maciek !! "do you have a link to the versioning policy? The tick-tock versioning blog post [1] says that EOL happens after two major versions come out, but I can't find this stated more formally anywhere."I couldn't find any versioning policy related to EOL. I think it should be there on

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Jonathan Haddad
Why wouldn't you keep a bug free version of something in production? If I found a version of *anything* that was bug free I don't think I'd ever upgrade again. On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM Anuj Wadehra wrote: > Thanks Robert !!! > > *"I don't run X.Y.Z versions where Z is under 6, so in gener

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Thanks Robert !!! "I don't run X.Y.Z versions where Z is under 6, so in general this does not result in me not-running-a-version-I-otherwise-would-have for longer than a few months each year."Agree !! But, if you upgrade to a version greater than X.Y.6, and then it goes EOL within months, you wo

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Thanks Janne !! "If you wish to have a specific EOL policy, you need to basically buy it."We are not interested in a buying custom EOL policy. I am trying to understand  how people deal with quick EOLs in this fast paced environment.  If my concerns seem genuine, should we revisit the EOL Policy

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Thanks Mark!!"My sense is that most users manage their own C* clusters, not dozens of other ones for other clients/customers"In our case, product is released to several customers and thus, every Cassandra upgrade needs planning, packaging, multiple product testing cycles & release. "One would

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-08 Thread Jack Krupansky
"declared Production Ready" I agree that mere GA of x.y.0 should not start the clock for EOL of x.y. Some people take the position that x.y is not production ready until x.y.5 is out. Unfortunately how to get firm agreement on what criteria should be used to judge "Production Ready" is unclear.

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-07 Thread Maciek Sakrejda
Anuj, do you have a link to the versioning policy? The tick-tock versioning blog post [1] says that EOL happens after two major versions come out, but I can't find this stated more formally anywhere. I'm interested in how long a given version will receive patches for security issues or critical dat

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-07 Thread Robert Coli
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Anuj Wadehra wrote: > I would like to understand how various users are dealing with the > situation. Are you upgrading Cassandra every 3-6 mths? How do you cut short > your planning,test and release cycles for Cassandra upgrades in your > application/products? > I

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-07 Thread Janne Jalkanen
If you wish to have a specific EOL policy, you need to basically buy it. It's unusual for open source projects to give any sort of an EOL policy; that's something that people with very specific requirements are willing to cough up a lot of money on. And getting money by giving support on older

Re: Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-06 Thread Anuj Wadehra
I would appreciate if you guys share your thoughts on the concerns I expressed regarding Cassandra End of Life policy. I think these concerns are quite genuine and should be openly discussed so that EOL is more predictable and generates less overhead for the users. I would like to understand how

Revisit Cassandra EOL Policy

2016-01-05 Thread Anuj Wadehra
Hi, As per my understanding, a Cassandra version n is implicitly declared EOL when two major versions are released after the version n i.e. when version n + 2 is released. I think the EOL policy must be revisted in interest of the expanding Cassandra user base.  Concerns with current EOL Policy: