Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Edward Capriolo
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Sylvain Lebresne wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Edward Capriolo > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Ellis > wrote: > >> > >> I'm talking about data compatibility, which is more important than cli > >> statement compatibility

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Sylvain Lebresne
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Ellis wrote: >> >> I'm talking about data compatibility, which is more important than cli >> statement compatibility. >> >> Consider someone with a python program that creates a CF with the >>

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Nicholas Knight
On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:35, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > I'm talking about data compatibility, which is more important than cli > statement compatibility. > > Consider someone with a python program that creates a CF with the > default settings and inserts some (say) uuid columns and long data. > > If

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Edward Capriolo
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > I'm talking about data compatibility, which is more important than cli > statement compatibility. > > Consider someone with a python program that creates a CF with the > default settings and inserts some (say) uuid columns and long data. >

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Jonathan Ellis
I'm talking about data compatibility, which is more important than cli statement compatibility. Consider someone with a python program that creates a CF with the default settings and inserts some (say) uuid columns and long data. If we changed CF creation to default to ascii we would break this p

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Edward Capriolo
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > It defaults to hex because that is how bytestype is represented. The > default remains bytestype to provide the kind of backwards > compatibility you are complaining about. :) > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Edward Capriolo > wrote:

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Jonathan Ellis
It defaults to hex because that is how bytestype is represented. The default remains bytestype to provide the kind of backwards compatibility you are complaining about. :) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2011, Sasha Dolgy wrote: >> Unfortunate

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Edward Capriolo
On Thursday, July 28, 2011, Sasha Dolgy wrote: > Unfortunately, the perception that I have as a business consumer and > night-time hack, is that more importance and effort is placed on > ensuring information is up to date and correct on the > http://www.datastax.com/docs/0.8/index website and less

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Sasha Dolgy
Unfortunately, the perception that I have as a business consumer and night-time hack, is that more importance and effort is placed on ensuring information is up to date and correct on the http://www.datastax.com/docs/0.8/index website and less on keeping the wiki up to date or relevant... which for

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread David Boxenhorn
This is part of a much bigger problem, one which has many parts, among them: 1. Cassandra is complex. Getting a gestalt understanding of it makes me think I understand how Alzheimer's patients must feel. 2. There is no official documentation. Perhaps everything is out there somewhere, who knows? 3

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-28 Thread Hartog C. de Mik
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:01:17PM -0500, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Edward Capriolo > wrote: > > You can not even put two statements on the same line. So the ';' is semi > > useless syntax. > > Nobody ever asked for that, but lots of people asked to allow > statem

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-27 Thread Edward Capriolo
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Edward Capriolo > wrote: > > You can not even put two statements on the same line. So the ';' is semi > > useless syntax. > > Nobody ever asked for that, but lots of people asked to allow > statements spa

Re: Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-27 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > You can not even put two statements on the same line. So the ';' is semi > useless syntax. Nobody ever asked for that, but lots of people asked to allow statements spanning multiple lines. > Is their a way to move things forward without

Changing the CLI, not a great idea!

2011-07-27 Thread Edward Capriolo
Notice how users react to these things. At one point for example we decided to add a ';' to the CLI. http://www.amazon.com/Cassandra-Definitive-Guide-Eben-Hewitt/dp/1449390412 The initial chapters on downloading and installing the product get the reader started using Cassandra immediately. Then t