Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-18 Thread Michael Ludwig
Steve Loughran schrieb am 18.06.2009 um 16:54:11 (+0100): > Michael Ludwig wrote: > >Ant, however, goes one step further: It will remove a write-protected > >file, which will not work using Windows tools without force, and it > >will even recursively remove a write-protected directory. That's not

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-18 Thread Steve Loughran
Michael Ludwig wrote: Steve Loughran schrieb am 16.06.2009 um 16:47:55 (+0100): Michael Ludwig wrote: Okay, so you were talking about Java limitations in general, not Java limitations within the context of an Ant extension? exactly. Thanks for clarifying. What you're saying about permiss

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-16 Thread Michael Ludwig
Steve Loughran schrieb am 16.06.2009 um 16:47:55 (+0100): > Michael Ludwig wrote: > >Okay, so you were talking about Java limitations in general, not Java > >limitations within the context of an Ant extension? > > exactly. Thanks for clarifying. > >What you're saying about permissions reminds m

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-16 Thread Steve Loughran
Michael Ludwig wrote: Steve Loughran schrieb am 15.06.2009 um 12:40:59 (+0100): Michael Ludwig wrote: Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): we do strive to be more declarative than fully procedural languages, we don't have loops and so lack full turing-equivalence. There a

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-15 Thread Michael Ludwig
Steve Loughran schrieb am 15.06.2009 um 12:40:59 (+0100): > Michael Ludwig wrote: > >Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): > > > >>we do strive to be more declarative than fully procedural languages, > >>we don't have loops and so lack full turing-equivalence. There are > >>also

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-15 Thread Steve Loughran
Michael Ludwig wrote: Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): we do strive to be more declarative than fully procedural languages, we don't have loops and so lack full turing-equivalence. There are also limits to what you can do in java I think I can take this to mean "in An

RE: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Martin Gainty
, 12 Jun 2009 14:43:14 -0700 > From: elstonk...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Doing Ant builds > To: user@ant.apache.org > > I wasn't dis'ing Ant. I was comparing Ant in the Java World or NAnt in the > .NET world to Batch files. > > > > > __

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Eric Fetzer
List Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 1:50:57 PM Subject: Re: Doing Ant builds Dominique Devienne schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 13:43:38 (-0500): > There are many good alternatives to Ant out there, some better even > most likely, but Ant has a community, tool / IDE support, and books to > stil

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Eric Fetzer
I wasn't dis'ing Ant.  I was comparing Ant in the Java World or NAnt in the .NET world to Batch files. From: Dominique Devienne To: Ant Users List Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:43:38 PM Subject: Re: Doing Ant builds On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:3

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Ludwig wrote: > Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): >> we do strive to be more declarative than fully procedural languages, >> we don't have loops and so lack full turing-equivalence. There are >> also limits to what you can do in java

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): > we do strive to be more declarative than fully procedural languages, > we don't have loops and so lack full turing-equivalence. There are > also limits to what you can do in java I think I can take this to mean "in Ant extensions (writte

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
Dominique Devienne schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 13:43:38 (-0500): > There are many good alternatives to Ant out there, some better even > most likely, but Ant has a community, tool / IDE support, and books to > still make it relevant despite its many flaws. It's momentum has > definitely slowed mind y

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
David Weintraub schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 12:22:52 (-0400): > Ant and Make do two things that Batch scripts cannot do: > > 1). Dependency Matrix calculations > 2). Build Avoidance Good summary! > Now to answer other questions: Why XML for Ant? > > XML is a very flexible tool since you can easil

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): > Ant is a language primarily for Java projects. Basing it on Java is > not just an ideological purity game, but the only way to get at those > internal bits of the JDK in the same process. all the original JDK > library tasks: javac, javad

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Eric Fetzer wrote: > "solution files" - if you're building .NET, go look at NAnt instead of Ant. > The difference is similar to that of a Volkswagon Beetle vs. Rolls Royce... Me think in the end more Beetles were sold, for far more total money, than Rolls Royce's

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Eric Fetzer
"solution files" - if you're building .NET, go look at NAnt instead of Ant.  The difference is similar to that of a Volkswagon Beetle vs. Rolls Royce... From: "Ina, Antoine" To: Ant Users List Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:58:37

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread David Weintraub
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Ina, Antoine wrote: > I am posing a general question about Ant vs Make vs Batch: > 1- What is advantage of Ant script over regular Batch script that calls up > the solution files for all the projects in your system tree of projects(for > Windows platform) Ant an

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Steve Loughran
Michael Ludwig wrote: Ina, Antoine schrieb am 11.06.2009 um 19:58:37 (+0200): I am posing a general question about Ant vs Make vs Batch: 1- What is advantage of Ant script over regular Batch script that calls up the solution files for all the projects in your system tree of projects(for Windows

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-11 Thread Michael Ludwig
Ina, Antoine schrieb am 11.06.2009 um 19:58:37 (+0200): > I am posing a general question about Ant vs Make vs Batch: > 1- What is advantage of Ant script over regular Batch script that > calls up the solution files for all the projects in your system tree > of projects(for Windows platform) Now wh

RE: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-11 Thread Ina, Antoine
I am posing a general question about Ant vs Make vs Batch: 1- What is advantage of Ant script over regular Batch script that calls up the solution files for all the projects in your system tree of projects(for Windows platform) 2- How does Ant handle up and down project dependencies Regards, A