Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-31 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 31/03/2009 alle 11.40 +, Brian J. Murrell ha scritto: > > I never minimize my pidgin windows. I also use devilspie to have them > skip the tasklist and be visible on all workspaces. As a tool, > pidgin/IM is as important to me as are the panels and window > management, > etc.

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-31 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 07:37 +, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > > Not completely clear: do you have your IM open minimised windows in > front of you or what is your preferred method of being notified? No. I have two windows (I use pidgin) displayed all of the time. I never minimize them. One win

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-31 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 30/03/2009 Brian J. Murrell wrote: > > Disagree. I don't fiddle with my IM status. If I'm busy, I just > ignore > you because you don't get to pop up a window in front of my work. I > deal with you when I have a chance. I expect to treat my System in > the > same way. Not completely clea

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-30 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 20:50 +, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > > Now that gives me one more argument to adopt the "instant messaging" > interaction pattern: users deal with IM every day. When they don't want > to be disturbed they set their status to "busy". We have support for > this in the FUSA

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-30 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 30/03/2009 Michael Rooney wrote: > > > But the windows itself could be minimised. Let's explore that. I > > > think it may be too late for Jaunty but I'll see what we can do. > > > > > That is a really wonderful idea! I think this would solve a lot of the > usability issues and also eliminate a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-30 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > If a window is minimized on one workspace, and the user is on any > other workspace, clicking on the window in the window list on the > panel does nothing other than flash the entry. The use has to be on > the same workspace the window was minimized on in order to resto

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-30 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Michael Rooney wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > >> But the windows itself could be minimised. Let's explore that. I >> think it may be too late for Jaunty but I'll see what we can do. > > That is a really wonderful idea! I think this would solve a lot of the >

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-30 Thread Michael Rooney
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > But the windows itself could be minimised. Let's explore that. I > think it may be too late for Jaunty but I'll see what we can do. > That is a really wonderful idea! I think this would solve a lot of the usability issues and also elimin

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-30 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > I see your point, but we all know from years of experience that > pop-ups and pop-unders are only considered an annoyance by users, and > that they don't fit for the purpose. That's why most of us were proud > of the gnome way: to avoid as many pop-ups as possible. This ga

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-29 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 27/03/2009 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > We have good usability information that says that notification areas > are > swamps. They are swamps on Windows, and swamps in all the Linux > distributions. Dear Mark, I see your point, but we all know from years of experience that pop-ups and pop-under

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-27 Thread Jan Claeys
Op vrijdag 27-03-2009 om 19:29 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Mark Shuttleworth: > Back to the notification area. If we're going to clean up the panel and > the notification area, we should start with the system pieces. Those > include the restart-required icon, and the updates-available icon. So >

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-27 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 20:26 +, Iain Lane wrote: > > No, they pop in the background, unfocused. I personally don't think this > is the right behaviour either, but at least it's not disruptive in that > way. Nobody would be insane enough to try that ;) So hidden under all of the other windows t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-27 Thread Ted Gould
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 20:13 +, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 19:29 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > Nothing like a healthy debate. > > Indeed. So let's kick it off with where we stand right now and that's > (afaik, correct me if I'm wrong) no notification icon anymore and

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-27 Thread Iain Lane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian J. Murrell wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 19:29 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >> Nothing like a healthy debate. > > Indeed. So let's kick it off with where we stand right now and that's > (afaik, correct me if I'm wrong) no notification icon

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-27 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 19:29 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Nothing like a healthy debate. Indeed. So let's kick it off with where we stand right now and that's (afaik, correct me if I'm wrong) no notification icon anymore and an update-manager window that pops up once-a-week (in absence of cri

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-26 Thread Vadim Peretokin
Will there be any words on this? It's bad enough that this feature was practically not covered anywhere public but the UDS (personally I did not sit and listen to every uds session or read every transcript, I'd expect something important to show up in a publicly visible space like planet ubuntu or

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-24 Thread Vadim Peretokin
Well, "the obvious solution, that is, put a button into the popup notification, would not work well." The new notifications are designed to be non-clickable. Again, design decision. When you hover your mouse over them, they dissapear / fade out to reveal the content below and clicks go through.

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-23 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 23:06 +, Steve Jackson wrote: > I echo what riban said. I'm likely to just disable the update-notifier > altogether rather than risk having ugly pop-unders (and maybe pop-overs > by mistake) happening in the middle of a presentation. Losing the > existing 'gentle' mechanis

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-03-18 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:35 +, Jan Claeys wrote: > According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance "Wishlist" should > be used for "a request to add a new feature to one of the programs in > Ubuntu". > > This bug is about a regression, not about a new feature. I absolutely agree that thi

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG

2009-02-24 Thread Alan Pope
2009/2/24 Noel J. Bergman : >  Actually, I'm still trying to find anyone who likes the > change. You now found one. I like it. It's _unfinished_ and buggy (I have reported a couple of bugs to help in that regard), but I like the concept and look forward to it being finished and polished. I realis