Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 13:13 +, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: > OK Leandro, > > I just sent an email to Ayatana list with your mockup and presenting > the argument on the possible security flaw. Let us see how it goes. > However, I would not be very hopeful, it seems like people in > Canonical are

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

OK Leandro, I just sent an email to Ayatana list with your mockup and presenting the argument on the possible security flaw. Let us see how it goes. However, I would not be very hopeful, it seems like people in Canonical are convinced that the new behavior is good. best, Paulo On Wed, Nov 18, 2

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

Lionel, Whoever made the decision (in this case probably some usability expert), will have to at least reconsider his/her decision in face of a real security risk even if to confirm it later. In my email, please read developer in a more general sense, as someone in the development team who is resp

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

Le mardi 17 novembre 2009 à 21:17 +, Paulo J. S. Silva a écrit : > That is a major point. If there anyone can mimic the pop-up behavior > using a website maybe, and I mean just maybe, we can get the > developers attention on this possible security role. This should *NOT* be a developer decis

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

2009/11/17 Leandro : > > Also, can you imagine the security absurd for a > unexperienced user which gets used to the system > popuping something AND asking for root privileges? > How easy is to mimic that with a website popup? > That is a major point. If there anyone can mimic the pop-up behavior

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

> What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users > been ignoring the window which was popping up? Users ignore this kind of popup behavior because the internet, and viruses do this crap all the time. The same way you filter out ads online, in the store, on tv, wherever you a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

As a personal sidenote, I want to add that, during the early discussion, I was not opposed to the idea. I had a lot of doubt but it has to be tried. I was kind of agnostic so "let's try and see". Now, I can say that I've seen. It's not a matter of personal preferences : it's a matter when user you

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

mac_v wrote: > What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users > been ignoring the window which was popping up? > > Why were they not updating when the window opened and dismissing it > instead? On all computers I've installed Karmic (and Jaunty before) the update-manager

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

>Disabling the updater daemon is now part of my installation routine for newbies. (well, I'm still looking >for someone that will find that useful so I do it only when they tell me they have a bug with a window >appearing all the time). Why disable it? Just use gconf and recover the old (and good)

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 08:11 +, Lionel Dricot wrote: > Graeme > the number of duplicates speaks for itself. But it seems that, > for some reason, no usability is involved in this bug What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users been ignoring the window which was poppin

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 15:04 +, Rajeev Nair wrote: > > Any user who knows the admin password can install updates, That's a pretty long stretch -- assuming that all users have the admin password. This is *exactly* the mentality that has lead to millions of windows machines being exploited and

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

I can certainly agree with and appreciate that. It is true that the notification area in the average Ubuntu installation is nowhere near as cluttered as the system tray in the average Windows installation, and it is better to solve a problem *before* it becomes a problem rather than after. I'd like

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

On lun, 2009-07-06 at 13:36 +, Chauncellor wrote: > A quote from my friend on his Mac's notification system: > > "I find the bouncy icon annoying and all, but if it weren't there I'd > probably never update. When it does bounce, I see all the updates and if > I don't use some programs in the l

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

In what way will the way the pop under change in the way it is presented? It really doesn't matter how it is presented, if it pops up in the "users" space it is going to be hated by most people. Media center PC's, presentations, people doing real work will always find it a huge annoyance if it uses

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

When I reported the bug I thought it might be a security issue and I still think it might. In my case the window opened spontaneously and I got notification of updates but when I closed that window without updating and clicked on update manager to deliberately open the window and check for up

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: > >> * When the user has chosen not to download updates , These >> notification repeat again at a later >> time[10mins/30mins/1hr/4hrs/1day/7days],which the user chooses from a >> drop-down menu and if the user tries to shutdown before updating he is >> reminded again

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

> I had been very vocal here opposing the change but i went with it... > And *even though it might not have been the intended purpose* for the > removal of the icon, *I have found the icon removal useful* ... > *Now I dont think much about the updates* , there is no icon nagging me > about the upd

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

Steve Dodier wrote: > > Imo, it should be ok to use a notify-osd notification + a systray icon for > updates as soon as they're available, and to pop-up the window only on > extreme cases : > @ Steve: The pop-up window seems like a reasonable option in the scenario's you've given... But i feel t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying

Just my 2 cents, but I consider we're going right into a wall if we design intrusive tools, even if the intrusiveness (does this word exist ?) is legitimate. Remember what about to Windows' UAC. Imo, it should be ok to use a notify-osd notification + a systray icon for updates as soon as they're a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno lun, 15/06/2009 alle 22.55 +, bdoe ha scritto: > > The same could be said for Windows. Since Windows XP SP2, automatic > security updates are turned on by default, and users have to > specifically opt out of it to turn it off. I want to point out the following to the many who think

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On 14/06/2009 Chauncellor wrote: > > After realizing this, I've found out that MPT was right: I don't think > that any icon will suit the notification area for a casual user. There > is something that needs to be done. HOWEVER, I still don't agree that > the pop-up is the necessary solution. > I

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

To use automotive analogies in this... If our check engine light comes on our car taking us in a straight line to the dealership, not following roads, going straight through forest, lakes, streams etc. Its just ludicrous devs hijacking the desktop with unsolicited pop-ups. Update manager is going t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-Original Message- From: Vincenzo Ciancia Subject: Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:59:50 - >I am in all ways against automatic updates because I think the user must >be aware of when som

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I have marked Leandro's Brainstorm Idea as a duplicate of: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19283 Best Regards Lanoxx -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ub

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno dom, 14/06/2009 alle 04.56 +, bdoe ha scritto: > Regarding automatic updates: I'm with Martin on this one; I believe it > should be turned on by default I am in all ways against automatic updates because I think the user must be aware of when something delicate is happening. E.g. in

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Regarding automatic updates: I'm with Martin on this one; I believe it should be turned on by default. If you are on a pay-per-use Internet plan or a plan that places a cap on your usage, you can simply go in and turn off the automatic updates. After all, if Canonical is so concerned about the secu

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno ven, 12/06/2009 alle 20.34 +, mac_v ha scritto: > > concerns *need* to be made at > https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > subscribe to this mailing list and voice your concerns... its no use > here... Subscribe to that mailing list if you are interested in constructive discussion, not to

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

getut wrote: > MPT.. so if I am hearing this right... popup/popunder is here to stay > and there is no amount of griping in any fashion, organized or > unorganized that can get that virus... erm feature removed going > forward? > sad to say that "feature" seems here to stay ! since mostly they don

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

MPT.. so if I am hearing this right... popup/popunder is here to stay and there is no amount of griping in any fashion, organized or unorganized that can get that virus... erm feature removed going forward? -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.laun

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I know this is probably no consolation for a lot of us in the short term, but there IS an option here: Like any other free open-source software, source code for all of what makes up Gnome is available. If Gnome is taking a turn in an undesirable direction, there's no reason why Gnome can't fork. It

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 10/06/2009 alle 04.52 +, mb_webguy ha scritto: > Ubuntu is likewise > a free distribution, and so "market share" doesn't really figure into > it. I think you didn't notice the hype around preinstalled ubuntu and OEM, which is where all this mess came from :) It is clear that mar

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Really? So the majority of the PC users, and a good portion of the open source market decided that they liked a certain model... And you come and proclaim that they all have it wrong? Very bold of you, sir. I really don't care what you think about the notification area... What I care about is h

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I have to agree here. What will happen to programms like pidgin or Skype. Can we not send them to the notification area any more? That would be really disappointing. What other place will there be to have a permanent place of putting apps that run in the background, if you ultimately remove the not

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno gio, 04/06/2009 alle 14.41 +, Matthew Paul Thomas ha scritto: > > > yurx cherio: People had already been trying to find an effective icon > for years, from one that looked like a cigarette packet (Ubuntu 5.04) > to > a red pinwheel (5.10) to an orange square (6.06, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10)

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Leandro: This looks nice but only works if you have a SYSTEM menu. UNR users don't and users who remove or move this menu (as I have on a notebook) will not see the notification indication. Walt -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/b

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mer, 03/06/2009 alle 19.36 +, mb_webguy ha scritto: > This one, however, was -- in > many users' opinions -- for the worse, and the response to negative > user > feedback on this issue has made it seem as if the developers are > determinedly ignoring it. No the feedback has not been

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

True. I believe the correct term would be "fascism"; but we are getting way off topic. FWIW, I noticed that the behavior of the update window seems to have changed since I first installed Jaunty. Instead of opening as a popup/popunder, it is opening minimized in my task panel. Though this is not a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 13:55 +, Toralv wrote: > I think it's rather communistic of those responsible for this change to > impose their personal preference on everybody. Hrm. You don't seem to understand the concept of communism and are making the common mistake of calling what you characterize

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno mar, 02/06/2009 alle 15.30 +, braddock ha scritto: > > > > > What happened to the wide-spread usability principle that modal > dialogs > (aka, an unwanted update window) are BAD? > \begin{acid*} It has been argued (in my opinion, very imprecisely) that no system can go on withou

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 22:19 +, Ricardo Pérez López wrote: > Interestingly, the client of the Canonical's recently released UbuntuOne > service puts a persistent applet icon in the notification area: > > https://ubuntuone.com/support/installation/ Well, I don't see any evidence there one way o

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Jonathan Marsden wrote: > I'm slightly bewildered that so many here apparently feel that bothering > to read the Jaunty Release Notes and doing what they suggest, to restore > the old approach, is impossibly difficult... or something? I'm pretty sure most of us are aware of how to bring back the o

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > mac_v: A notification that a window has popped up? You mean something > like this screenshot? That's how Mac OS 9 did it a decade ago. Its main > problem was that there was no direct way to get from the notification to > the actual window, violating the principle of dir

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

C. Cooke wrote: > Paulo J. S. Silva : > > About updates in the indicator applet: I've been working on a proof-of- > concept that does just that. It currently implements indicator messages > for updates and needing to reboot. > > You can find it at http://earth.gkhs.net/ccooke/indicator/ > > Note

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > bdoe: If you are still having this problem, I suggest subscribing to the > feed, and then reporting a bug the next time > a package you have installed shows up there without Update Manager > opening within a day. We'd take that very seriously

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 16:12 +, scar wrote: > open the update manager on > all desktops at least Oh yeah, that's much better. Annoying * $number_of_desktops. Talk about getting right in somebody's face. Surely it's obvious by now that this was a very ill-thought out decision. I've said

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Uwe Schilling wrote: > Well, it need not be a ticker, it need not be animated,Or it could be > animated by default and there is an option to turn off the animation. Or > the ticker is moving through just once and then stays still until the > mouse hovers over it, or ... I basically just wanted to s

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > bdoe: If there are security updates waiting in the archive and Update > Manager doesn't open within a day, please report a separate bug about > that. However -- and I apologize in advance if this affects your sleep > -- it has never been true that "if there's no icon up

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/5/1 Richard Thomas : > Also  I would like to point out that if you make use of virtual desktops > feature > I have 9 desktops It very very easy to miss the pop up as on my machine it > shows on desktop one > while i tend work on other desktops and have firefox open on full screen on > deskt

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 17:00 +, Richard Thomas wrote: > Also I would like to point out that if you make use of virtual desktops > feature > I have 9 desktops It very very easy to miss the pop up as on my machine it > shows on desktop one > while i tend work on other desktops and have firefox

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > John Clemens: The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to > interrupt people is a tricky problem for notifications in general. As getut pointed out, you're conflating "interruption" with "notification". Notifications, lik

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/30 Matthew Paul Thomas : > Matt Wheeler, LanoxxthShaddow: We removed the icon because we're trying > to reduce the number of items in the notification area, and update- > notifier was an easy one to start with because Notify OSD forced us to > solve the "'Click the icon'? What icon?" problem

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Peter Whittaker wrote: > Watching a full screen video, for example. i dont think that full screen video/any video are a problem, since gnome-screen saver recognizes when videos are playing, something similar probably could be worked in for detection. but the real problem will be with flash firefox

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 this is a very nice idea. Also I like to state AGAIN: Why is choice such a big problem for you design people, if you want to remove the icons from the notificaion area by default, ok go ahead. But then give people who do like it the option to bring

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 17:56 +, mac_v wrote: > > +1 .but the only thing would be to drop beneath in a few seconds * only > when the user is working * but *remain persistent until the users > returns to the system* and starts to work. That seems a good idea. However, there are a couple use cases

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Peter Whittaker wrote: > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:49 +, getut wrote: >>> The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to interrupt people >> MPT... "never" IS a perfectly valid answer to INTERRUPTING a user. > > +1, mod parent up, etc. > > At the risk of seeming like I am in love with m

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:49 +, getut wrote: > >The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to interrupt people > > MPT... "never" IS a perfectly valid answer to INTERRUPTING a user. +1, mod parent up, etc. At the risk of seeming like I am in love with my own ideas, this was why I propo

Re: [Bug 332945]

I can fully agree on the fact that this bug report, brainstorm, or the forums for that matter; are highly biased on a matter such as this. But until someone is able to display good evidence that the unrepresented part of the user-base thinks otherwise, the feedback here is the only thing you ha

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

hurga wrote: > manager window means, so nothing gained. > > Put the issue up for a vote, where the majority of ubuntu users can vote > and don't decide over peoples head. > @hurga> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19283/ this voting has already been going on regarding this notifier at brainsto

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > mac_v: As I explained in the very text you quoted, we are not "creating > such security holes": that problem already exists, regardless of Update > Manager. As for your food analogy, you are confusing perfect with > better. We switched to Notify OSD, with the necessary

Re: Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Apr 29, 2009 10:10am, Matt Wheeler wrote > He doesn't teach, but that is irrelevant, and confirms my point. If even > IT staff are ignoring updates unless they are prompted by a window > opening, how many normal users are doing the same? Unlike mac_v, I will not disparage your IT friend for n

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/29 mac_v : > Matt Wheeler wrote: > >> My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school), >> said he preferred the new system because before he would just ignore the >> orange icon (even though he knew what it meant). >> > quite technical but doesnt update? wow! and

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

getut wrote: > > Can anyone give a definite answer on how long the gconf command to > revert to old behavior will be supported going forward? AFAIK, the gconf method is currently not *supported*. It does work but it is not a *supported* option. So, I believe we have our answer. -- [Jaunty] U

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matt Wheeler wrote: > My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school), > said he preferred the new system because before he would just ignore the > orange icon (even though he knew what it meant). > quite technical but doesnt update? wow! and works in the IT departmen

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Stanislaw Pitucha wrote: > 2. (in case of us) Think - did I forget to close it after the last upgrade, or was I waiting for package list update to finish, or is it notifying me about new upgrades so i'm not the only one> this happened to me when i got the firefox security update! when previously

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > I have seen no evidence, in this bug report or anywhere > else, of "the simple need for a form of persistent notification" for > software updates. have u considered that these update windows WONT GET NOTICED, when the user is working in other windows and only notice

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Jamin W. Collins: By "gratuitously difficult" I meant you had to (1) > notice the icon, (2) recall that orange starburst = updates available > (possibly assisted by a notification bubble, if you happened to look > during the time the bubble was visible), (3) click on it

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I was initially opposed to this change as a default, but having spoken to a friend who upgraded to Jaunty just after the release I am much happier about the idea of testing it on 'the masses'. My friend, who is quite technical (works in the IT department in a school), said he preferred the new s

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Jamin W. Collins: By "gratuitously difficult" I meant you had to (1) > notice the icon, (2) recall that orange starburst = updates available > (possibly assisted by a notification bubble, if you happened to look > during the time the bubble was visible), (3) click on it

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Self appointed "benevolent" dictator for life ;) Torben wrote: > It is sad to see, but I think this will not be the last big > dissapointment. Sure you can't satisfy all users at any time, but what > is claimed to be "leadership" here is the kind of spirit I wouldn't > expect from a linux distribu

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

There was one dev that came here and stated (and to which I agree) that "if the devs kept listening to everyones complaints Ubuntu wouldn't have changed since 4.10". There are those that are truly resistant to change and constantly badger devs because they didn't get what they wanted. On that not

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:38 +, mac_v wrote: > a bit too harsh there pal... Harsh? Perhaps. But given the comparative levels of user frustration and development intransigence, the frustration is understandable. > asking the devs for an apology, is way out there!!! Absolutely not. At this poin

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

James Dowden wrote: > I had thought this was just a bug in the beta version, but I did not > know which package to report it against. Now I've read this and I am > totally outraged by this deliberate regression. > > As for Mark Shuttleworth's ludicrous assumption that only coding experts > want th

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Just to give my two cents on the subject: I'm in favour of keeping the notification icon for a simple reason. Someone (I don't remember if Mark or someone else) mentioned, from what I got, that the notification area has been used by applications, and to avoid confusion we should remove it from ther

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 09.43 +, hurga ha scritto: > > Revert this, and whoever signed off on that change should be spanked, > hard. I would not want _these persons_ to be spanked. In any case ubuntu developers have done an extremely good job across the years. Dapper was nothing more t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

I believe Roshan was talking about the notificaion area: >I cannot imagine why getting rid of an updates _notification_ >in a _notification area_ was reasonable. This is very annoying. Maybe you should read his post again. Jonathan Davies wrote: > Roshan: That is a separate issue - see bug #3561

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:34 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Philippe, if we made only changes that were welcome to everybody, we > wouldn't have changed anything since Ubuntu 4.10. s/everybody/most people/ or s/everybody/majority of users/ as I think the original intention of "everybody" was m

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:01 +, Philippe Escarbassière wrote: > @Jonathan > > I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to > bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users > feedback too. I wasn't picking you out in particular, I'm just hoping t

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto: > >> simple answer .. unofficial answer but >> here is a poll >> >> http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq >> >> > > Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification? > Perhaps a

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/20 xpd259 > simple answer .. unofficial answer but > here is a poll > > http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq Well, it's conclusive, obviously - 25 people have voted in favour of the old system so far, including Bill Gates, The Real Slim Shady and the Big Bird off of Sesame Street, vers

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

@Jonathan I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users feedback too. In this case, even if 221 votes are not a proof (plus other forum posts and wiki comments), it's clearly an indication this new beha

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto: > > simple answer .. unofficial answer but > here is a poll > > http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq > Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification? Perhaps a poll with launchpad authentication would be b

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre : >> I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... >> > > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ > yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this linux flavor , but signing up for an account , and submitting/comme

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre : >> I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... >> > > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ > yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this linux flavor , but si

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

xpd259 wrote: > > a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough > to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop > @Matthew Paul Thomas , Alan Pope consider this idea instead of the pop-under... i understand this is not immediately possible, but ho

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 09.27 +, Alan Pope ha scritto: > > I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... > > > > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ This comment is anti-scientific. Either you invent a survey and convince users (ubuntu or launchpad users, and it makes a dif

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

+1 please do a survey or make a poll available for users to vote. There are currently about 20 bugs with (from what I see) the majority of the people complaining about it. This is not a minor thing. -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

> s/everybody/a vocal minority/ > Regarding the number of duplicates and comments, I don't believe it's a vocal minority. And regarding all the opposition, maybe a kind of survey would be nice to be sure the feature is benefic to Ubuntu users or not. At least I find it's premature to enable this

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/20 Philippe Escarbassière : > I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... > s/everybody/a vocal minority/ -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 You received this bug notification because you are

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

xpd259 wrote: > a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough > to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop > +1 ^ this is a lovely idea... xpd i hope u can add this to the notify-osd comments section -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would prov

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Alan Pope wrote: > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right. > @alan i'v know about brain storm... but its for new ideas and implementation... i suggest for voting already implemented new features... i understand that popular doesnt mean righ

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

> 2009/4/20 mac_v : > > why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a > > feature... > > > > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ > > Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right. > I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better... -- [Jaunty] Upd

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009/4/20 mac_v : > why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a > feature... > http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right. -- [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information https://bugs.launchpad.net/

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stanislaw Pitucha wrote: > > Yeah... affects me too. > why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a feature... the new notification system is good, but poorly planned... the *devs could have held off the app push atleast u

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 09:26 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > ami_nakata: Not only is it an implementation detail whether an > automatically-opening window is from a newly-running application or an > already-running application, it's an implementation detail whether *any* > window is from a ne

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

A few suggestions i'd like to add, -maybe they should popunder, then if the X is clicked push it to the messaging menu -the user then controls priority (its popped under as a high priority item), then if nothings done (an X (close) is clicked) it lowers in priority to the messaging menu -maybe high

RE: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:10:08 + > From: ubu...@bugabundo.net > To: ktp...@live.com > Subject: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful > status information > > Olá ktp420 e a todos. > > On Thursday 09 April 2009 03:50:12 ktp420 wrote: > > Can please provide s

RE: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:16:00 + > From: m...@canonical.com > To: ktp...@live.com > Subject: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful > status information > > Pausanias, the notification area is not a "guarantee of authenticity" in > either Windows or Ubuntu. In

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 16:55 +, mac_v wrote: > wouldnt this problem be avoided if there was a reminder, which reminded > me after my work was over, to restart? I thought of this as well, and included a mechanism in my comments on the wiki page - when you click on a system notification, you are

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

Op donderdag 09-04-2009 om 14:16 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Matthew Paul Thomas: > Pausanias, the notification area is not a "guarantee of authenticity" > in either Windows or Ubuntu. In both OSes it can be used by > third-party applications, including malware. Once there is malware on your PC

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:41 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Peter Whittaker wrote: > > If you read my comments on the wiki page, you'll see I make clear > > distinctions between system and user notifications: Let's apply that > > distinction consistently. A user notification is a doorbell, it app

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