[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-11 Thread Didier Roche
@Ngassam: never said it was only for unity :) I just think it's a good testcase for showing the issue. But yeah, it will be, of course, system wise. @Olivier not sure as we can get a lot of mess there, with a lot of apps just waiting to stay in background to launch it faster then, but that's wort

Re: [Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-11 Thread Olivier R-D
And there you point at one of the problems of the current model :-) Why should the window manager have its own logic to make some selected application look like a client/Server implementation. If a window exits then show it in alt-tab and expose. If an application wants to behave using a server/c

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-11 Thread Ngassam Nkwenga
Why Just keep it for Unity ? I think this Behavior should be applied on the whole system Environnement ( Desktop and Unity): For Evolution, it is very important for us (users) to keep it hide to the Messaging-Menu, insteed of closing it. We use Evolution to be up to date when a new mail comes

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-10 Thread Didier Roche
No really, because the 2 notions of hiding and minimizing aren't the same: on minimize, the application is still shown when you use window switcher (alt + Tab) whether the other on isn't. Same rational in the window expose mode and workspace management. So, we should have a better wording, right

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-10 Thread Olivier R-D
Are you really sending it to the launcher ? Since the launcher does other things than minimize/restore then you could as well call " minimize" for "hide", it might be a more explicit solution. And since you do not use the desktop you could even consider the windows to be on a stack. And call "min

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-09 Thread Didier Roche
oh, good catch about the design of the minimise button. :) I'll log on Monday a blueprint about close/minimise from items in the sound menu and the messaging menu, and the relationship with unity, so that can maybe be added there? For instance, in maverick, we patched rhythmbox so that the "close

Re: [Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Another thing we need to consider is the design of the "minimise" button. The "flat underscore" graphic makes sense if the window were to be minimised to a bottom-panel, but we're essentially sending it to the launcher. -- minimize does not make any sense and should be removed https://bugs.launc

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-09 Thread Olivier R-D
then I should mention that I have been using unity at work with a 27" the last 15 days. Efficient screen use can also be an issue with bigger screens. I do miss having applets on the top panel or launcher but generally unity does fit very well my workflow. So the usefulness of the concept is mayb

Re: [Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
We're in agreement, but unfortunately the line between netbooks and notebooks is blurry, we can maximise by default but we can't eliminate non-maximised windows, so minimise retains its usefulness. I would suggest closing the bug wontfix, but i'll leave that to the report as I'm willing to discus

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-09 Thread Didier Roche
ok, I quite agree indeed. Thanks! :) ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Invalid -- minimize does not make any sense and should be removed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656520 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-09 Thread Olivier R-D
I was probably a bit quick to open the bug. I was just wondering about the necessity of minimize. When only working with maximized windows, the behaviour of minimize is not very intuitive since you do not always know which window will pop up under it, and you never want back any desktop But I

[Bug 656520] Re: minimize does not make any sense and should be removed

2010-10-09 Thread Didier Roche
Thanks for reporting this bug and help to make ubuntu better. However, I'm not sure about what you mean. The minize still help to hide a window which is still opened and available in the launcher, isn't it? ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete -- minimize does not make