[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2012-03-15 Thread yaztromo
So I upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 and find my SPU's (both petes and eternal) in PCSXR broken because of this. Since these pieces of software are no longer maintained how do you expect me file bugs with the developers Daniel? And, no, using pulseaudio is not an option since it has always refused to w

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-10-17 Thread Jacob Brown
Hey guys! I'm using natty and I've noticed that my old quake3 based games are still broken because you all decided to take out OSS compatibility. I tried to install OSSP, but that package doesn't even exist for Ubuntu. So, I did try to download and compile it manually, and after a while, I w

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-03-14 Thread Simos Xenitellis
@Rich3077: When you compile your Alsa (alsa-driver), use the command line ./configure --with-oss=no and that's it. It will now work. You mention "Now only if the sound would work." You have a generic sound issue? This bug report affects only legacy (very old) apps that need OSS emulation to wo

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-03-14 Thread Rich3077
I am a end user, not especially skilled in linux. After much frustration I have found that this is the reason Ubuntu is not working for me. I have found a pre compiled kernal to try and will probably give it a shot... or move to another distro. As an end user I always thought linux was supposed

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-03-12 Thread John Peach
Are we getting OSS emulation back in the kernel or do I need to change distros? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/579300 Title: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS* --

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-02-22 Thread James Andrewartha
I filed bug #716814 to revert this change, however they want verification it's still broken in the latest daily builds. I won't be able to do this for a week or so, but if someone else wants to test it earlier we can get it fixed sooner. -- You received this bug notification because you are a mem

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-02-22 Thread Grigori G
I don't understand the rationale for this change. It is obvious that many people and a lot of software rely on OSS. The logical route to go about this would be to develop an OSS wrapper first (OSSp or whatever), and after it works to some degree, replace the OSS kernel stuff with it. Doing it the o

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-13 Thread AJenbo
1: I don't see why OSS had to be disabled for the distro so that some developers could investigate OSSp, why not just disable it them self in a test kernel. Unless they wanted some users reactions, possibly to identify affected software, and maybe drive some of them to update there sound method. 2

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-11 Thread Claudiu Vlad
@martin check the thread title please ! On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:12 AM, martinwguy wrote: > On 10 January 2011 22:10, David Henningsson <579...@bugs.launchpad.net> > wrote: > > Reason for changing status: The intial request for change is performed. > The rest of the thread is about the regre

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-10 Thread martinwguy
On 10 January 2011 22:10, David Henningsson <579...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Reason for changing status: The intial request for change is performed. The > rest of the thread is about the regressions that it caused. Sorry, what has changed? Is OSS compat to be restored? M -- You received

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-10 Thread David Henningsson
Reason for changing status: The intial request for change is performed. The rest of the thread is about the regressions that it caused. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Assignee: David Henningsson (diwic) => (unassig

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-10 Thread martinwguy
> 2) Since there is no plausible technical reason for disabling OSS, we must look elsewhere for the explanation. This kind of thing, "deprecating" usually serves a psychological need of developers/managers, as a way of trying to eliminate something they see as evil, for whatever strange reason. We

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-10 Thread Jeremy Foshee
changed assignee to David so that he can keep track of it. ~JFo ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Assignee: Leann Ogasawara (leannogasawara) => David Henningsson (diwic) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.l

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-05 Thread Kim Cascone
@martin: thanks for the kudos on 'blueCube( )' :) as for the kernel build: I've automagically gotten pd to talk to the USB audio and the Intel HDA hardware without having to use Jack...not sure how I did this but it seems that my 'problem' is solved -- not that using Jack is a problem but you'd th

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread martinwguy
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Martin Guy wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> - I get a long list of errors (can't cut and paste from the Gdebi console) >> when installing both the image and the headers from deb >> - after installing the headers Gdebi lists an error w

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread martinwguy
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > but I experienced a couple of problems trying to use your 2.6.35.8+oss kernel: > - I get a long list of errors (can't cut and paste from the Gdebi console) > when installing both the image and the headers from deb > - after installing the heade

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread martinwguy
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: So good to hear you! I love Blue Cube since the late 1980s :D and published it with a load of other Csound pieces from that period. freaknet.org/martin/audio/csound Bless M -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread Kim Cascone
'Ubuntu needs to help consolidate, not help fragment, the audio landscape. As long as this emulation support remains enabled, we will remain in a quagmire of applications experiencing contention for the audio device, which increases the friction for adoption of Free Software.' q: does this mean th

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread Kim Cascone
@martinwguy: first of all, thanks so much for making this deb but I experienced a couple of problems trying to use your 2.6.35.8+oss kernel: - I get a long list of errors (can't cut and paste from the Gdebi console) when installing both the image and the headers from deb - after installing the he

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread martinwguy
...and the corresponding linux-headers package... ** Attachment added: "Maverick kernel headers with OSS included (corresponding to i386 image)" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/579300/+attachment/1782632/+files/linux-headers-2.6.35.8%2Boss_2.6.35.8%2Boss-10.00.Custom_i386

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread martinwguy
Hi all Here's the latest maverick linux kernel compiled for x86, with the OSS compat stuff re-enabled. M ** Attachment added: "Maverick x86 kernel with OSS compat (re-)enabled" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/579300/+attachment/1782627/+files/linux-image-2.6.35.

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2011-01-03 Thread Claudiu Vlad
@David: Cool, thanks a LOT. On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, David Henningsson < 579...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > @Claudiu, this sounds unrelated to my patch (although you can never know > for certain), so please file a separate bug against tvtime (this is ok > as the patched tvtime version

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-12-31 Thread Simos Xenitellis
Regarding the compilation of the latest Alsa for Ubuntu 10.10 (or newer), when you run ./configure You need to add the option --with-oss=no, as in ./configure --with-oss=no and you are set. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to U

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-12-31 Thread soreau
I found this link thanks to kklimonda on freenode. http://nullkey.ath.cx/~stuff/et-sdl-sound/ Make sure to change the SDL_AUDIODRIVER to pulse. Cheers. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-12-12 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
Simos When you try to compile Alsa on Ubuntu 10.10, it compiles fine. When you try to load the new kernel modules, you get As far as I understand, this is related to the rest of the kernel being compiled with the Alsa OSS sound options. I am actually fine with this decision of removing O

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-12-12 Thread markofealing
Regarding my problem with no audio when running Spotify under Wine since upgrading to Ubuntu 10.10. This is fixed by upgrading Wine to 1.3.9 Beta from the stock 1.2 which ships with Ubuntu 10.10. see my blog for more details http://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/know-linux-bugs/ -- You received t

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-12-12 Thread Simos Xenitellis
When you try to compile Alsa on Ubuntu 10.10, it compiles fine. When you try to load the new kernel modules, you get [ 332.243113] snd: Unknown symbol unregister_sound_special (err 0) [ 332.243379] snd: Unknown symbol register_sound_special_device (err 0) [ 332.245467] snd_timer: Unknown symbol sn

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-12-12 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
** Summary changed: - Пожалуйста, отключите * CONFIG_SOUND_OSS и OSS CONFIG_SND_ * * + Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS* -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/579300 Title

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-12-03 Thread Rechner-Tester
As yota (ironical) wrote in comment #89: > Fix potential issue with multi-channel ordering when seeking/pausing if using OSS [25878] <- LOOK: ACTIVE OSS DEVELOPMENT IN 2010!!! THIS IS MADNESS! ;-) ...and clarified in comment #102: >Moreover I'm not an audio expert but it comes to mind also that

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-26 Thread yota
@David: Even if our opinions are hugely different I really thank you for your answer. Indeed my primary (but not only) concern was about include-but-blacklist oss emul, which was originally proposed by other users (Christophe Van Reusel, what_if) since 2010-10-22, and which still seems a viable

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-25 Thread David Henningsson
@Claudiu, this sounds unrelated to my patch (although you can never know for certain), so please file a separate bug against tvtime (this is ok as the patched tvtime version is already in Natty). -- Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS* https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/579300 You r

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-25 Thread Claudiu Vlad
@David, I saw a problem with patched tvtime, sometimes when cpu is overloaded with different applications and tvtime is minimized, I restore tvtime window but its black (although sound is playing ok continuously), and stays black until restarting the computer. So maybe someone could check this thin

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-24 Thread David Henningsson
@yota, I'm not sure what you believe I ignored, but I don't have the time/priority to answer all of you thoroughly. So for the compile-but-blacklist option, if that was what you thought I ignored, here's my personal opinion: Maverick: doing configuration changes for the Maverick kernel is way to

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-24 Thread Mike Thomas
When I first saw "Bug" #579300 in early September I was puzzled, because it seemed to make no sense at all. Things are clearer now. (1) People who have been using applications dependent on OSS are no longer welcome on Ubuntu and must go elsewhere. Mr Chen was given the thankless task of making t

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-24 Thread yota
@Joe User: Debian seems ok (I've just tested Sid with 2.6.32 kernel, and snd_pcm_oss module is available). Probably the only distributions affected by this bug (or should I say "affected by this fix"?) are ubuntu and derivatives, I can confirm the issue on mint 10. @David: Yes, having a working

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-23 Thread Joe User
I also request that this bug be fixed, and the kernel expose the /dev/mixer, /dev/dsp, and other devices.. I have 3 sound cards in my home machine, hooked up to several radio tuners. Signals are recorded according to cron jobs and bash scripts. How exactly will I replace that functionality with

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-23 Thread David Henningsson
@Ole, added bug #680386 for the tvtime update. After it has been accepted into Natty, we can request an stable release update to Maverick, I saw Daniel suggested that in ubuntu-devel. @Mike, the diagram is not good enough to make that conclusion. Also, what we're removing is one of several arrows

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread Ole Laursen
@David: works for me too, when I change the MixerDevice setting to "hw:0" (or in my case "hw:Audigy") as indicated in the Fedora bug (just wasted an hour finding out that "default" doesn't work, googling impenetrable shoddy ALSA documentation, no wonder it has been so long in replacing anything, th

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread Mike Thomas
@David Henningsson: My naive interpretation of diagram http://yokozar.org/blog/content/linuxaudio.png is (1) OSS offers the most direct route (2 steps) between a userspace program and the output hardware, and therefore would be expected, a priori, to provide the best latency. Audio-video appli

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread Claudiu Vlad
Good job, David ! It works ok now. Could you make it to go on alsa by default ? I had to modify the xml file to change the mixer. You made my day ! Lets see what are they going to do with the Quake based games ... On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:04 PM, David Henningsson < 579...@bugs.launchpad.net>

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread Psychotron
@David: I fully agree with this. But again: The problem is not THAT OSS support gets deprecated, but HOW. As discussed in this thread, there are or would have been _relatively_simple_ options to solve that more gently, without pissing off users too much. However, the message that comes across is: W

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread David Henningsson
@Ole, thanks for the tip. Here you are: https://launchpad.net/~diwic/+archive/maverick Hope it builds fine, give it a try and tell me if it works. @Psychotron, to see things from the other side: This is exaggerated, but somewhat true: http://yokozar.org/blog/content/linuxaudio.png - now imagine

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread yota
@David Henningsson: under the release notes of MythTV 0.24 ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24 ) you can read: Bug Fixes Fix ALSA mixer to open correct device when multiple devices are present [24864] Fix potential issue with multi-channel ordering when seeking/pausing

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread Psychotron
For tvtime at least there is a working ALSA mixer patch floating around. See also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa- driver/+bug/613809. But generally I agree with Ole. This attitude by the Ubuntu devs is just strange, it won't exactly create sympathy... Because of this and other thin

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread Ole Laursen
David: That's exactly my problem (you can find more people with the same by looking through the bug reports linked to in one of the comments). I think Fedora has a patch for having tvtime use ALSA for volume control, see the link I provided. If you can package that up, I would personally be happy.

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread David Henningsson
Ok, I'll answer my own question - I remembered I had an old TV card here somewhere, so I found it, plugged it in, installed tvtime and had a look. PCM Audio is working out of the box. ALSA mixer can control the TV card's input volume, but you can't control the ALSA mixer from tvtime (trying to chan

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread James Andrewartha
"So, for closed source programs which we don't even ship in Ubuntu, such as Quake, we can't fix them, so it will be up to the closed source program vendor to adapt. At least if you ask me." How about we ask Linus, who is totally against breaking the Linux ABI, as has been done here? You could fix

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread David Henningsson
I believe it is way too late to do these kind of configuration changes for Maverick, but if you really want to ask, here's the mailinglist: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kernel-team (It is probably not too late too ask for 11.04 - that said, I don't think they/we will enable it, but

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread markofealing
6. Spotify under Wine - works but no audio, so essentially useless due to this major oversight. It's a shame that they people at Spotify have gone through the trouble to assist Linux users in using their product http://www.spotify.com/uk/help/faq/wine/ only for the community to break it by making

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-22 Thread yota
Why not a separate package (let's call it "ossemul-deprecate.dpkg"), shipped with the stock ubuntu, which contains just a file: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ossemul.conf with "blacklist snd_pcm_oss" inside? (eventually add other oss emulation modules if opportune) It would disable oss emulation by

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-21 Thread Mike Hicks
I vote for restoring ALSA's OSS emulation module to the official kernel, and blacklisting it by default. If there was a separate package, I think it would inevitably get out of sync. I am also dealing with this bug because of MythTV. Personally, I believe MythTV's 0.23's backend is broken in reg

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-20 Thread Fabien Lusseau
5. XawTV and all the tools for V4L (Video4Linux TV cards Drivers) that are bundled with. There if a solution for this entry, and it is to add XdTV (that is an updated version of XawTV) to the universe repository. But it will not append ... (The bug entry for package required is here for more than 3

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread yota
Application affected: 4. MythTV (with analogue tv cards) The above is a killer application, not only meaning that, quoting wikipedia, it is a "computer program that is so necessary or desirable that it proves the core value of some larger technology", but also meaning that made my wife a killer

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread Claudiu Vlad
I personally dont care about updates, I have a family desktop, who the hell can exploit it ? On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Psychotron <579...@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote: > > SOLUTION: provide a PPA containing a custom OSS enabled kernel > > But then this kernel needs to be supplied with all

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread Psychotron
> SOLUTION: provide a PPA containing a custom OSS enabled kernel But then this kernel needs to be supplied with all the updates and fixes. I'd say a separate alsa-oss-modules package would be more realistic. -- Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS* https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread Claudiu Vlad
SOLUTION: provide a PPA containing a custom OSS enabled kernel How about that ? On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Psychotron <579...@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote: > So OSS doesn't support some advanced features? Sure. But why does that > mean OSS support needs to be broken? If users of some OSS-only

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread Psychotron
So OSS doesn't support some advanced features? Sure. But why does that mean OSS support needs to be broken? If users of some OSS-only app want these features, they can bug the authors to add support for PA or whatever. As for grabbing devices exclusively, I'm under the impression that it's possibl

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread Claudiu Vlad
3. Applications that need this emulation: Games using the quake3 engine, which are closed source and can't be changed. (thanks to James Andrewartha) On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, James Andrewartha wrote: > David: If you read the bug log, you'll see that ALSA OSS emulation was > disabled bec

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread Claudiu Vlad
1. tvtime 2. gnomeradio everybody, feel free to continue my list On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:44 PM, David Henningsson < 579...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > So can I get a summary of what applications that actually need this > emulation? Can we port them to ALSA, or at least fix them so they w

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread James Andrewartha
David: If you read the bug log, you'll see that ALSA OSS emulation was disabled because the plan was to have OSSp working for Maverick. This didn't happen, but ALSA OSS emulation remains disabled. OSSp is probably the correct solution for the future, but it's not here yet, so can we just have ALSA

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread David Henningsson
Ubuntu is depending on volunteers to do very, very much - very large parts of planning, development, bug fixing, testing, and documentation are made by volunteers, and would fall flat without them. Also, this removal was being done at a time were it would be the least painful, in the beginning of

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread Psychotron
I can't see any explanation in this thread on why this has to be done. Perhaps you can explain that to us ignorant folks. That programs should be moved to a newer API is not per se a bad thing, but rather the way this is done here. And really, I don't see the problem of providing the ALSA OSS emula

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-19 Thread David Henningsson
Folks, I haven't been closely been involved with the decision to remove OSS from the kernel, and I see that it causes frustration to have functionality removed, but I know that it wouldn't have been done if it haven't helped against frustration at some other end. I believe Daniel T Chen has trying

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-17 Thread Mark Faine
This broke mythtv 0.24 and tvtime for me ever since I upgraded to maverick. I don't mind modernizing but you simply don't remove functionality until you have something to replace it with. I have gone back to the 32 kernel for now since it is the last known working kernel. -- Please disable CONF

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-12 Thread Psychotron
Sorry Mr. Chen, but this is a totally ridiculous decision! Who is hurt by keeping these little modules?! Nobody! Does it break anything?! I wouldn't know what. Sorry if this is not very constructive, but this kind of decisions just make me angry. You just break it for a lot of people, without provi

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-11 Thread markofealing
Anyone hoping to use Spotify under wine can think again, totally hosed unless you are a Spotify Premium user using the beta Linux client :-((. Otherwise Spotify recommend you use Wine. Little do they know is no longer works! Many thanks to all the developers who could not care less about making su

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-11 Thread Claudiu Vlad
I am not asking for changing kernel options, its not my job, but as an old user, I really want this to be fixed some way or another. Cheers, On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:02 AM, pipegeek <579...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Yet another person who would really like to see this put back in, if > on

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-10 Thread pipegeek
Yet another person who would really like to see this put back in, if only as modules that aren't loaded by default. padsp doesn't work for everything. Particularly it doesn't work for /dev/sequencer, so anything that is attempting to speak MIDI to the sound card via OSS is now left stranded. Thi

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-05 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
Sorry I continue here. So many users will be able again to use ubuntu like it should be. greetings christophe -- Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS* https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/579300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subs

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-05 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
Hello, Nice move Yota, I do not have fedora so i could not see that. But the longer the more it seems to be a very big issue in ubuntu. perhaps fedora just blacklisted the oss emu by default settings but is it just easy to reenable it by removing them from blacklist or adding them to modprobe mod

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-05 Thread yota
There's something weird going on here: is not true that fedora did the same! You can find in attachment the kernel config from FC14, which shows that OSS emulation in ALSA was not removed at all from the kernel in FC14. Here is a side-by-side difference with ubuntu (limited to the relevant part):

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-04 Thread xpatch
+sigh+ Please put it back in. You don't have to enable the module by default. I need to use the dtmfdial package right now to sort out a bug in a system. I just updated and now I can't use the package because there is no /dev/dsp Going to use virtualbox, install 10.04 get the dtmfdial package and

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-02 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
Hello pablo, for gnome radio it's maybe a solution. But even then it's to processor intensif. For tv card itself it's a pain in the ass since there is a delay between image and sound. Off course i do not route out the sound to /dev/dsp in tv time. the only control we used was the /dev/mixer emu to

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-02 Thread Claudiu Vlad
tvtime and gnomeradio are working - this means I have sound, but the mixer volume is disabled, so I have to install gnome-alsa-mixer, which is BAD. Lets hope somebody will fix tvtiem and gnomeradio to work with pulseaudio instead alsa On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:56 PM, VPablo wrote: > For those

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-02 Thread VPablo
For those who gnomeradio doesn't work with ALSA, try this. I have make gnomeradio work with ALSA. On this page: http://www.taringa.net/posts/linux/5777157/Sintonizadora-K-World-PCI-TV-PVR-TV-7134SE-en-Linux.html there is a solution. Make this script, as "/usr/local/bin/audioradio2.sh" p.e.: ---

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Fabien Lusseau
To sum it up see this new screen shot. You can view that yes OSS is depreciated, but inside ALSA section there is OSS emulation, and nothing here to say "that it is depreciated or anything else" But I totally agree that ALSA OSS emulation is not perfect, but we have nothing else in a perfectly wo

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Fabien Lusseau
No ! What you view here is OSS 3 ! Not the Alsa OSS emulation ! ALSA OSS is a part of ALSA not a part of OSS ! I said OSS3, OSS3 is "OSS, such as is included with the Linux kernel." And yes I agree, he is depreciated ! Plain and simple ! I totally agree with you ! And OSS 3 has never been in Ubun

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Steve Church
@Fabien Lusseau See attached screenshot. In this circumstance, "deprecated" is not my opinion. It is a development state. I should have specified "OSS, such as is included with the Linux kernel, is deprecated." Mea culpa. ** Attachment added: "deprecated.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ub

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Fabien Lusseau
OSS is NOT depreciated ! It an absurdity ! OSS3 is depreciated ! OSS4 is maintained and ALSA OSS emulation is not depreciated (no mention of that in the kernel documentation). OSS is still used in a lot of Unix like, FreeBSD for exemple, and OSS API emulation is one of the most important part of t

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Steve Church
I get that OSS has been deprecated for quite some time. I get that deprecated features eventually disappear. I get that the only way developers will stop developing for OSS is for OSS no longer to exist; and likewise for hardware manufacturers' depending on OSS. As an end user, I want my stuff t

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Ole Laursen
I did a bit of digging. In Fedora, it appears they have a patch to add ALSA support to tvtime, it seems like it enables one to use the ALSA mixer interface instead of the OSS interface (discussion at bottom): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498167 Note that tvtime's use of OSS doesn't

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Fabien Lusseau
Yeah that's a joke ... I think everybody knew it ! But what I said is really what I think. There can be less intrusive solution to progressively remove OSS. And not use brutal force against us users that just want our system just working ! -- Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Claudiu Vlad
:) The "everybody should be API with that" phrase was supposed to be a joke, right ? Jokes are welcome, anyway, as long as everybody is NOT APY with the sound system breaking brought by Maverick So, again, could we please patch tvtime to work with pulseaudio ? Daniel Chen said earlier there is su

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-11-01 Thread Fabien Lusseau
Any plans to add OSSp in 11.04 ? And/Or a dkms package that will be able to add and compile the OSS ALSA emulation instead of recompiling the all kernel ? Or OSSp by default and the dkms package for those who have some troubles whit OSSp ? This can be a good progress and everybody should be API w

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-31 Thread Claudiu Vlad
Dear Mr Chen, I totally agree Ubuntu should move forward and programs should be fixed to use pulseaudio. I tried to find the tvtime package with pulseaudio backend, that you mentioned above, but with no luck. Can you please point such a tvtime PPA ? -- Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONF

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-30 Thread Daniel T Chen
> - OSS is bad, because of licensing issues in the past but more > importantly because it does not properly share the soundcard (and its > settings) between userspace applications.  Low latency though. I won't delve into overtly political thrusts regarding whether OSS or ALSA is good, per se (the

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-30 Thread Mike Thomas
Dear Mr Chen, I have been following this thread with interest from two distinct points of view: - I am the author of an out-of-tree audio-video device driver which works fine under Ubuntu 10.04 LTS but is silent under Ubuntu 10.10, and I need to decide what to do about it: http://sourceforge.net

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
Dear Mister Daniel T Chen I can answer same way; > In this case, bugs need to be filed against the relevant source >packages, and we need to assist upstream developers in fixing them. >Wouldn't you want the bugs fixed regardless where they lie? Honestly, >it sounds like XawTV and V4L are making p

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Steve Church
> > Mythbuntu uses XFCE as the desktop environment. Do you happen to know > > the name of the command that launches whatever pulse configuration > > interface that isn't deprecated? There's nothing relevant in XFCE's > > menus, so I'll have to launch from the bash prompt. Thanks! > > Xfce doesn

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Fabien Lusseau
I don't have the same way of thinking. For me, the idea is everithing need to work before dropping such feature ! Not dropping the feature and break all compatibility ! You have to understand me ! And every other persons who have a video capture device ! All this people have to go back to Lucid

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Daniel T Chen
> Mythbuntu uses XFCE as the desktop environment.  Do you happen to know > the name of the command that launches whatever pulse configuration > interface that isn't deprecated?  There's nothing relevant in XFCE's > menus, so I'll have to launch from the bash prompt.  Thanks! Xfce doesn't have a na

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Daniel T Chen
> 1. XawTV and V4L doesn't work with OSS4 (I don't know why, I think > something is broken somewhere or an API change I don't know ...) In this case, bugs need to be filed against the relevant source packages, and we need to assist upstream developers in fixing them. Wouldn't you want the bugs fix

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Steve Church
@Daniel Chen, Mythbuntu uses XFCE as the desktop environment. Do you happen to know the name of the command that launches whatever pulse configuration interface that isn't deprecated? There's nothing relevant in XFCE's menus, so I'll have to launch from the bash prompt. Thanks! -- Please disa

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Fabien Lusseau
I have tried OSS4 ! Does not solve the problem at all !!! 1. XawTV and V4L doesn't work with OSS4 (I don't know why, I think something is broken somewhere or an API change I don't know ...) 2. All Alsa Apps works like Crap with OSS4 3. Audacity don't work at all (OSS or ALSA mode) There is no

Re: [Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Daniel T Chen
@Ole I'm on a very slow Internet connection currently; it would take less time for you to find the Launchpad bug affecting tvtime that contains a link for a PPA containing the community member-developed PulseAudio backend (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tvtime). @Christope @Fabien OSSv4

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Steve Church
I just reinstalled pulseaudio last night. I immediately remembered why I had uninstalled it in the first place. padevchooser does not detect or let me choose iec958 5.1 channel output. My machine is connected to my audio receiver via either optical or digital coaxial line (I can't remember off t

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
Hello Fabien, You're very right about it. But pulse is well needed. One of the important things from pulse is the function as sound server. On that point it's working very well. Also it's doeing a great job for playing music files and so on. Like rhytmbox. But yes it is really needed to have oss

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-29 Thread Fabien Lusseau
why is ALSA OSS emulation is so taboo here ? It is not like OSS is here to create compatibility issues ... Absolutely no programs use OSS by default ! Only programs that don't support ALSA at all are requesting this compatibility layer ! By disabling ALSA OSS emulation you don't make the life of

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-28 Thread Christophe Van Reusel
Hello, Sorry to say but tvtime gnome radio most of pci tv cards are just NOT working with pulse audio. Oh you can use sox and that stuff, But like said before it is very processor consuming, Causes delays (even with best possible settings ) between image and sound. If at the same time you perform

[Bug 579300] Re: Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*

2010-10-28 Thread Ole Laursen
1) Use pulseaudio's module-loopback. 2) If you use tvtime, there's a pulseaudio backend written by a community member. Could you please elaborate on how this is supposed to work for maverick? I'm surprised why this hasn't been fixed yet when a solution has been known for several months. -- Ple

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