Is that it?
2009 since the last comment on this issue?
I wasn't using Empathy in 2009. Did the problem get "fixed" then broke again?
Is there a new bug report for a new version of the same problem?
It's not just Empathy that struggles to get representation of it's running
program. There are oth
I've just had a very confusing time trying to get an Empathy icon
visible in the notification area:
- I do *not* have an indicator applet running; I have a widescreen
monitor and use vertical panels, and the indicator applet doesn't
support these (and the authors do not appear to wish to support t
This is definately not related to the original bug, please file a new
bug. Ideally let apport file it. Do you get a crash dialog when you
try to start it?
The indicator isn't a dependency and isn't needed for empathy to work.
This bug was specifically for handling the case where the indicator
wa
following http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging "old way", i have some
logs that i attach below (after changing email address to
'some...@gmail.com')
empathy.log
gabble.log
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if empathy depends on another package, it should be added in
dependencies, and be sure that the needed applet is launched whatever
the environment is (xfce, gnome, kde )
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i am running xfce 4.6.1 (xubuntu jaunty upgraded to karmic with update-
manager one week ago)
yesterday with xfce mailwatch 1.1.0 i could launch empathy (but still not
connect to gmail due to another bug).
Since this morning upgrade, the bug came back, impossible to launch it.
I have installed in
Well this bug specifically is fix released, we added code to display the
status icon when the indicator isn't in the panel and isn't running.
That was the specific goal of this bug report.
Please file a bug, specifically explaining what you are doing to get
this. Do you have the indicator applet
aptitude search libindicat | grep ^i
i A libindicate-gtk1- GNOME panel indicator applet - shared libr
i A libindicate-qt0 - Qt bindings for libindicate
i A libindicate3- GNOME panel indicator applet - shared libr
is it supposed to work with this
why not make it a great experience for Karmic ?
maybe its obvious for you that this bug is "fix commited" or one can
patch it himself, but the bug is still here, and empathy is not usable
:(
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run from gdb; empathy is stalled here:
(gdb) bt
#0 0x00110422 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
#1 0x02fecb6b in poll
Great, please continue to file bugs and requests for improvements. We
want to make it a truely great experience for Lucid.
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Nope. No indicator running whatsoever. But, I've got this working
properly on both installs. Two separate sets of issues made this more
confusing than it needed to be. I apologize.
Physical machine: uninstalled empathy, removed anything under /home
related to empathy, pidgin, haze, purple, mission
This log leads me to think there is an indicator running. Please
confirm the indicator applet is not in the panel, and check for
indicator processes with "ps auxww|grep indicator". Does that show
anything is running?
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Here is the log from the telepathy version in the clean VM user. When it
notes that another instance is running and displays the main window is
when I launch it for a 2nd time. I gave it about 40 seconds between
first and second launch, though the timestamps don't look very useful
after the copy.
I tried this with butterfly and it behaves the same as google talk did.
Opening the window each time i run it and setting the status on startup.
Even after a reboot.
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Only difference I can see is that you appear to be using msn via the
haze backend (based on that directory structure), perhaps there is a bug
in that backend that isn't setting your status properly on startup.
Can you test the same setup but without haze?
I think if you create your msn account in
Yes this is under karmic ubuntu gnome on both physical and virtual
machines. VM is beta clean install + updates, new user profile with only
aforementioned modifications to indicator applet, FUSA.
What logs should I be looking for? The only logs I am able to find are
chat logs under ~/.local/share
Aaarghhh. I really wish you could edit posts here.
This does not work after reboot. Just rebooted both primary machine and
VM and both are still not showing anything when launching empathy for
the first time following reboot.
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Thanks for testing that. I was using the exact same STR in virtualbox.
This made no sense until I created yet another new user account. The
difference was that in empathy preferences, I had unticked "use message
indicators" when testing on both my primary machine and the virtual
environment.
That
Let me confirm, you are running GNOME right? Can you send me empathy
logs?
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I just tried to reproduce, in a pristine VM will all updates applied.
* Created a new user
* logged in and removed the indicator applet and the session applet (fusa
replacement)
* logged out and back in again
* verified there were no processes related to the indicator running with ps
* started em
I should add for clarity that FUSA is not running either, hence no
indicator related services.
Also, this bug, as filed, according to it's tile is NOT FIXED. I am not
going to keep marking it confirmed so you can mark it fixed. It is a
valid, open, unfixed bug. Please return it's status to reflect
1) I agree that it should. But, it does not. Every single time I first launch
empathy in a new session, it starts with NO status whatsoever. This is also
tested with a fresh user profile and a clean install of karmic beta. The only
modification being that indicator applet is not added to the pan
1) I think empathy always starts and sets the status to whatever it was when it
quit last, at least it appears to for me. That wouldn't be related to this bug
though.
2) The empathy contact list remembers the last known state, which using the
status icon could be hidden and still exit. If you
Oops spoke too soon. Empathy doesn't seem to set any status at all on
first launch, thereby not displaying anything on the panel. It should
default to start with status set to offline or user preference. Also
noticed the right-side panel icons shake like something is being added,
but then nothing i
Confirmed fixed here. Now empathy gives an indication that it's running
and I don't need to launch it again to get to the UI. Thanks for getting
this fix into Karmic. Might actually give Empathy a try now!
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* debian/patches/20_libindicate.patch
- display the status icon when the indicator isn't present (LP: #435329)
- don't attach notifications to the status icon if
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Then my shot would be the following:
--- ./debian/patches/20_libindicate.patch.old 2009-10-14 20:47:45.263763496
+0200
+++ ./debian/patches/20_libindicate.patch 2009-10-14 20:51:00.443737342
+0200
@@ -1517,12 +1517,12 @@
+ gboolean use_libindicate)
+{
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:28 +, Michael wrote:
> Messaging menu running == indicator applet running?
Yes. Though it's a little more generic than that in that if anyone was
to make a messaging menu like thing, and used libindicate, they could
also set this. So things like the messaging menu in
> Awful presumptuous of you to assume that it hasn't :)
Sorry about that...
> The way to determine if the messaging menu is running is to use the
interests interface.
Messaging menu running == indicator applet running?
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On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:07 +, Michael wrote:
> I took a quick look at the canonical patch adding libindicate support to
> empathy, but I couldn't see any way to tell whether the indicator applet
> was actually running - if someone can tell me how to tell that, I could
> do a quick untested pat
I took a quick look at the canonical patch adding libindicate support to
empathy, but I couldn't see any way to tell whether the indicator applet
was actually running - if someone can tell me how to tell that, I could
do a quick untested patch, as the place in the code to change is pretty
clear. O
First, I would ask all bug reporters to retain a respectful tone in
their reporting and comments. I hardly think using the term "crap" to
describe other people's software is conducive to a quality working
relationship, and I hope that the two projects have a long term
productive relationship for a
Note that if empathy was last hidden in status icon last time you quit
it, it will restart hidden. That means that if I remove the indicator
applet in that situation, empathy won't show and I have no way to use
it. I can't even go to preferences to uncheck "use message indicator".
This is critical
Why did you do that ? Ubuntu make choice to replace pidgin by empathy.
So you have to make usuable empathy...if dont...plz put pidgin instead
empathy in karmic release.
Bye...
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This makes no sense!
So you have 2 possibilities: 1) fix your crap. 2) Drop your crap.
It would be really sad that an ubuntu specific patch makes empathy crash
at startup for all non-GNOME users, and users that just removed the
indicator applet. We already got lots of bug reports in Empathy's
bug
Removing from karmic goals to focus on higher priority bugs
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But not having indicator-applet is a corner case, and if you are in that
corner case, it's easy to work around by changing the settings.
It would be ideal to fix this before we ship, but at this point, we
should rather be focused on crashers and such. Also, changes could
introduce new bugs and ins
Agree, sorry for the off-topic comments.
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The issue here is for users that don't have the indicator-applet loaded
in their panel. In that case, we need to always display the icon to
give users a way to get to empathy. I am working on that.
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David, not quite sure about the animation bit :), but otherwise I
thought the same as you, so I opened bug 450398 for this.
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@Michael, I agree the icon isn't clear enough. I would like to be
animated when there is something waiting for me, like most of "action
required" icons. At the same time, I am not sure that this belongs in
this ticket.
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Ah, now that I am paying attention I can see a difference in the
appearance of the indicator applet. It is just very discreet, and in
particular I didn't make the connection between that and new messages in
empathy, as I am used to pidgin opening new tabs and flashing the
taskbar.
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By the way, I think there is some slight confusion in some of the
comments above. It seems to me that the check box in the settings
dialogue ("Use message indicators") means that empathy should use the
indicator applet *instead of* its own panel icon for notification.
Perhaps empathy *should* disp
As long as the indicator applet is visible, I can see new messages
listed in its pull-down menu and don't need the empathy icon in the
tray. However, the indicator applet does not seem to look any different
when there are unseen messages, and so I don't realise that I have to
check its menu - unle
No, it is not, because the default now results in Empathy not having a
panel icon.
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This seems to be working as designed then, is it not?
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I can confirm Matueusz' observation: The panel icon appears if "Use
message indicator" in Preferences --> Notifications is NOT checked. If
checked, the icon disappears from the panel.
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Here is second part of my comment #3 with the second screenshot I
promised to attach,
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I can confirm this problem and I found some more details. Simply, there
is a bug in "logic" of the application settings. The indicator is
missing from the notification area if "Use message indicator" IS checked
in Empathy properties. In order to get the indicator on the panel, do
NOT check "Use mes
Same problem here. The Empathy icon does not show up in the panel,
effectively rendering the messenger unusable.
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Having the same problem. To use it, I open it via gnome-menus, so the
empathy window opens, and I can use, and reply to my friends, as when i
have new messages from a contact, the name of the contact stay blinking.
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Importance: Medium
Assignee: Ken VanDine (ken-vandine)
Status: New
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