[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

** Description changed: Current behaviour is: - The "users" group exists but when setting up a (set group ID) groupdirectory (i.e. /home/group/users) it does not work as expected, because the users group is not populated (empty). + The "users" group exists but is not populated (empty). When s

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

I fail to see why it would be a problem with the gst. Wouldn't a line in /etc/adduser.conf be enough? Even if we handle profiles manually, that won't prevent new users from being added to the "users" group if adduser wants to. ** Package changed: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) => adduser (Ubuntu) **

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

Changing package because the profiles with default groups in ubuntu are currently maintained in g-s-t (not adduser). ** Package changed: pam (Ubuntu) => gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => New ** Description changed: - Current beha

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

** Description changed: - Ubuntu uses private user groups. + + Current behaviour is: + The "users" group exists but when setting up a (set group ID) groupdirectory (i.e. /home/group/users) it does not work as expected, because the users group is not populated (empty). + + Changed behaviour wou

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

A reason was given over a year ago, in . You are proposing a behavior change that you should bring up for general discussion with the developers in an appropriate forum, such as ubuntu- devel; and the implementation should not ha

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

please don't set invalid instead of giving a reason and reassigning appropriately ** Description changed: - Ubuntu uses private user groups. In order for the users to belong be added to the users group by default - /etc/security/groups needs to contain a line like this one: + two solution

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

Could someone please reassign, and please provide an argument for a solution that may be harder to modify and activate for existing users by admins and control scripts alike. -- users not belonging to users group https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253103 You received this bug notification because yo

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

Whatever your arguments for the users group, this doesn't belong in pam. ** Changed in: pam (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- users not belonging to users group https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253103 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is sub

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

The users group is neccessary to enable seamless system wide collaboration between users. Finer-grained collaboration is done through groupdirectories of subgroups (groups with a subset of users as members). (see mentioned wiki page) ** Changed in: pam (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => New --

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

The following wiki page now contains more information and ties together related bugs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiUserManagement -- users not belonging to users group https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253103 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is sub

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

Just to state that I am indifferent wether this is fixed with pam_group or by adding to the default groups in adduser. pam_group wouldn't intruduce much redundant info and fix existing systems/users, too. real group memberships would work for cron/at jobs? (But maybe they use pam session I don't

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

Any GUI tool that doesn't use adduser or comply with policy should be fixed or removed from Ubuntu. I agree with Steve that this belongs in adduser, not PAM. -- users not belonging to users group https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/253103 You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

I agree, there are of course much more fine grained methods than the group of all users. And to be honest when adminstering larger systems the users group is probably not good for much more then giving all users write access to some device, or to files that are served on the net. Now, it's not

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

I disagree that collaboration among users is a good reason to use the 'users' group. Collaboration is normally much more fine-grained than this; on a system with any significant number of users, you will normally want to collaborate with a subset of these users only. Either custom groups, or file

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

Hello Steve, yes, it may be that the adduser maintainer could change his package, adding redundant group configuration to all users. But other than that, some GUI tools don't seem to always rely on adduser (configuration) or even (debian) policy for user and group ids, unfortunately. (It's underst

[Bug 253103] Re: users not belonging to users group

No. /etc/security/group.conf is the wrong place to set this. If we want users to also be added to the 'users' group by default, this should be done by changing the defaults in /etc/adduser.conf, not by using pam_groups. But I don't see a compelling reason to use this additional group, since noth